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03-01-2010, 07:56 PM
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I would take Allen and Seidenberg for Rozsival, Lisin, Voros, mid round pick

I figure Seidenberg is worth a 2nd so a mid round pick , Lisin,etc
Me too.

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03-01-2010, 08:01 PM
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I would take Allen and Seidenberg for Rozsival, Lisin, Voros, mid round pick

I figure Seidenberg is worth a 2nd so a mid round pick , Lisin,etc
I really like this proposal.

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Horton, who is an English speaking Zherdev's clone should be one going here for Girardi. I'm okay with it.

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Horton, who is an English speaking Zherdev's clone should be one going here for Girardi. I'm okay with it.
source, or are you just spitting names out?

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source, or are you just spitting names out?
I think he's just spitting names out.

I would really like to see Girardi for a second though. Get it done Slats!

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03-01-2010, 09:30 PM
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Horton, who is an English speaking Zherdev's clone should be one going here for Girardi. I'm okay with it.
If you're going to take a stab at someone at least do it right. Just say he's the English version of Zherdev instead of using incorrect grammar.

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03-02-2010, 09:53 AM
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WEISS WOULDN'T HOLD UP UNDER PLAYOFF CONDITIONS< END OF IT. WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WE CAN'T USE....

Remember how much help Kovalev and all his skill was against Philly in 97?
Would it have made a difference if he played? No. That team didn't have the SIZE for playoff hockey...and netiher does Weiss.

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03-02-2010, 09:58 AM
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WEISS WOULDN'T HOLD UP UNDER PLAYOFF CONDITIONS< END OF IT. WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WE CAN'T USE....

Remember how much help Kovalev and all his skill was against Philly in 97?
Would it have made a difference if he played? No. That team didn't have the SIZE for playoff hockey...and netiher does Weiss.
Kovalev is not the guy to use when making an example of playoff performances. Without him in '94, we don't beat Jersey much less win the Cup.

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Kovalev is not the guy to use when making an example of playoff performances. Without him in '94, we don't beat Jersey much less win the Cup.
OK!

I know what you're saying and you seemed to miss my point.
Kovalev in 94 could move, dig, and grind. After the injury, well we've all seen him move. Remember how awesome he was in his Pens 94 point season...then they go to playoffs and he can't make as much of an impact?
Also in 94, along with pre-knee-injury 27, we had diggers from EDM and CHI that we didn't have in 97...and still without today. (THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD ALL BE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, NOT WEISS OR ANYTHING LIKE HIM)
My point is the playoffs are at least 5x more physical and grinding than the reg season. Most any player of skill isn't going to do anything when they are a)injury prone, b)not physical themselves and c)not surrounded by physical guys.
We have offensive tools, we don't have Tikkanens Larmers or Andersons. We have A Callahan, and that is NOT enough for playoff competition.

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03-02-2010, 10:25 AM
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WEISS WOULDN'T HOLD UP UNDER PLAYOFF CONDITIONS< END OF IT. WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WE CAN'T USE....

Remember how much help Kovalev and all his skill was against Philly in 97?
Would it have made a difference if he played? No. That team didn't have the SIZE for playoff hockey...and netiher does Weiss.
He didn't play in 1997. He was recovering from knee surgery...I believe he tore his ACL.

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03-02-2010, 10:28 AM
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WEISS WOULDN'T HOLD UP UNDER PLAYOFF CONDITIONS< END OF IT. WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WE CAN'T USE....

Remember how much help Kovalev and all his skill was against Philly in 97?
Would it have made a difference if he played? No. That team didn't have the SIZE for playoff hockey...and netiher does Weiss.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466378

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8459442

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8467407

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8464975

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8460562

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8450725

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WEISS WOULDN'T HOLD UP UNDER PLAYOFF CONDITIONS< END OF IT. WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WE CAN'T USE....

Remember how much help Kovalev and all his skill was against Philly in 97?
Would it have made a difference if he played? No. That team didn't have the SIZE for playoff hockey...and netiher does Weiss.
Are we making the play-offs?

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03-02-2010, 10:48 AM
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I say hello back.
No idea why you'd mention Koivu, who I've always felt overrated (though myself and everyone still has a soft spot for any tough SOB that can kick cancer's ass)
Gionta, Drury, and Recchi are proven champions that ARE NOT INJURY PRONE.
Briere falls with the three above minus the Cup ring.
...and Steven Weiss isn't on the same planet as St.Louis.

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He didn't play in 1997. He was recovering from knee surgery...I believe he tore his ACL.
Twas the point!

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Are we making the play-offs?
that's not nice.

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No idea why you'd mention Koivu, who I've always felt overrated (though myself and everyone still has a soft spot for any tough SOB that can kick cancer's ass)
Gionta, Drury, and Recchi are proven champions that ARE NOT INJURY PRONE.
Briere falls with the three above minus the Cup ring.
...and Steven Weiss isn't on the same planet as St.Louis.
Your implication was that small players can't hold up/succeed in the playoffs. I provided you with examples of players (some substantially smaller than Weiss) who have not only endured playoff hockey, but been successful.

Also, Weiss hasn't had a major injury since the 05-06 season.

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No idea why you'd mention Koivu, who I've always felt overrated (though myself and everyone still has a soft spot for any tough SOB that can kick cancer's ass)
Gionta, Drury, and Recchi are proven champions that ARE NOT INJURY PRONE.
Briere falls with the three above minus the Cup ring.
...and Steven Weiss isn't on the same planet as St.Louis.
So what's your point? First he's not big enough for playoff hockey, and now he's just not skilled enough?

Injury prone? The guy has missed ~25 games in the last 4 years. Using the guy's junior career to try and make a point about him now is asinine.

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My point was small AND injury prone as a package won't work. Your list showed no other comparison. I am well aware that Mike Eruzione captained the 1980 team, St.Louis in 2004, etc...
...and I never said Weiss wasn't skilled enough. Don't tell me what my point is if you don't care to read everything.

Weiss doesn't need MAJOR injury to be ineffective. One doesn't necessarily need to miss a game to be injured. From what I understand, he's played hurt/sore a lot of games and it showed.

the Kovalev example was just to say all the skill in the world won't help from the stands.

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I really like this proposal.
Thanks but i'm wrong , Lisin and Voros waived. Lets pray Voros gets picked up and Lisin clears....unfortunatly it will be the opposite

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My point was small AND injury prone as a package won't work. Your list showed no other comparison. I am well aware that Mike Eruzione captained the 1980 team, St.Louis in 2004, etc...
...and I never said Weiss wasn't skilled enough. Don't tell me what my point is if you don't care to read everything.

Weiss doesn't need MAJOR injury to be ineffective. One doesn't necessarily need to miss a game to be injured. From what I understand, he's played hurt/sore a lot of games and it showed.

the Kovalev example was just to say all the skill in the world won't help from the stands.
Every player plays games when they're sore. They play hockey, not golf.

I also never told you what your point was, I asked what it was. Lay off the "don't care to read everything" nonsense if you're not going to take your own advice.

If you bring St. Louis' skill into the argument as evidence of why his size isn't relevant, you're implying that Weiss is not skilled enough to overcome his size.

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Booth and Weiss both with a goal tonight...showcasing themselves for us?

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Booth and Weiss both with a goal tonight...showcasing themselves for us?
To get both of them we'd have to give up the farm, in our case probably mroe than the farm.

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To get both of them we'd have to give up the farm, in our case probably mroe than the farm.
No it would not. Both are good but they are not superstars.

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Every player plays games when they're sore. They play hockey, not golf.

I also never told you what your point was, I asked what it was. Lay off the "don't care to read everything" nonsense if you're not going to take your own advice.

If you bring St. Louis' skill into the argument as evidence of why his size isn't relevant, you're implying that Weiss is not skilled enough to overcome his size.[/B]
I didn't intentionally bring skill into the mix, but I know it could/would most easily be taken as so...
What I meant to imply by saying Weiss isn't on the same planet was that St. Louis is one of the most elusive athletes in contact sports history. He is like the least injury prone player and at his size. His skill also happens to be miles ahead making way for our easy misunderstanding. Nonsense laid off.
Anyway, Weiss is injured or sore often, and it shows. I've seen just about every game he's played in the last 4 seasons and that's what I see. His game is on point about 1/4 of the season and it's usually said that he's nursing something. The players that can be sore and still compete at a reasonable level is what we need.
We don't need Weiss. We need a Penner. We need a Byfuglien. We need the traffic in front. We need Boyle to grow a pair...

...and we need a defense.

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so deals sometimes fall through at the last moment and sometimes they come together at the 11th hour. There is still time for midnight oil trades to trickle in but by now, you've got to think they are all done.

Dagoon, what's the word on this non-trade postmortem? would be interesting to hear what happened and what didn't happen. what fell apart or which side refused to budge. thanks, i need to hear something interesting this trade deadline.

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