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03-03-2010, 05:49 PM
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Sharks Playoff Lines

Some of this discussed in Trade Deadline thread, but thought this would be a good separate topic.

Fear the Fins's suggestions for Playoff lines.

http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/3/3/1...s-sharks-stand

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Dany Heatley - Joe Thornton - Devin Setoguchi
Patrick Marleau - Joe Pavelski - Manny Malhotra
Jamie McGinn - Logan Couture - Ryane Clowe
Jed Ortmeyer - Scott Nichol - Torrey Mitchell/Brad Staubitz
Mine are similar but would be...

Dany Heatley - Joe Thornton - Devin Setoguchi
Patrick Marleau - Joe Pavelski - Benn Ferriero
Jed Ortmeyer - Scott Nichol - Ryane Clowe
Jamie McGinn - Logan Couture - Manny Malhotra

This gives us four legitimate lines that can score and get minutes. The last two lines are really 3a and 3b. Ortymeyer/Nichol/Clowe had good chemistry earlier in the season. I like adding Malhotra to McGinn and Couture as he would add a defensive presence to that line but could also compliment with some scoring.

I would then put Clowe on 2nd PP Unit.

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I know it won't happen to start, but I kind of wish that Todd would split up the top line since they will almost definitely be shut down in the playoffs.

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Marleau-Pavelski-Heatley
Setoguchi-Thornton-Clowe
McGinn-Malhotra-Mitchell
Ortmeyer-Nichol-Staubitz/Ferriero

Boyle-Murray
Blake-Vlasic
Wallin-Demers/Huskins

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I think we'll spread the lines around to add scoring depth and increase defensive awareness/grittyness on all lines. Gotta roll three lines!

Mitchell-Thornton-Heatley
Setoguchi-Pavs-Clowe
Patty-Malhotra-McGinn
Ortmeyer-Nichol-Staubitz
McLaren

On D i can see Demers in for more puck moving offensive matchups.

Boyle-Murray
Blake-Vlasic
Wallin-Huskins
Demers

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I'd like to see:

Marleau-Thornton-Setoguchi
Heatley-Pavelski-Malhotra
Clowe-Mitchell-McGinn
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer

Boyle-Murray
Blake-Vlasic
Wallin-Demers/Huskins

Nabokov
Greiss

I figure whoever Thornton is paired up with will get the big shutdown D, so I'd like to protect Heatley from that as I believe that he is our key in the postseason. I gave each line (well, the top three) some speed, a goalscorer and a good defensive player. I know it'll be hard to establish chemistry like this, but I think it's do-able.

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I'd like to see:

Marleau-Thornton-Setoguchi
Heatley-Pavelski-Malhotra
Clowe-Mitchell-McGinn
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer

Boyle-Murray
Blake-Vlasic
Wallin-Demers/Huskins

Nabokov
Greiss

I figure whoever Thornton is paired up with will get the big shutdown D, so I'd like to protect Heatley from that as I believe that he is our key in the postseason. I gave each line (well, the top three) some speed, a goalscorer and a good defensive player. I know it'll be hard to establish chemistry like this, but I think it's do-able.
i believe this would be wasting heatleys talent, i don't believe pavs has the skill set to open up time and space for heatley. and malhotra for sure doesn't have the ability to open up any time and space for heatley.

heatley needs to stay with marleau and or thornton.

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i believe this would be wasting heatleys talent, i don't believe pavs has the skill set to open up time and space for heatley. and malhotra for sure doesn't have the ability to open up any time and space for heatley.

heatley needs to stay with marleau and or thornton.
And how many goals has he scored like that? Heatley gets most of his goals by standing in front of the net and getting the rebounds. Less than a third of his goals are from getting open and using his shot...

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And how many goals has he scored like that? Heatley gets most of his goals by standing in front of the net and getting the rebounds. Less than a third of his goals are from getting open and using his shot...
watch most of his goals, yes they might be rebounds. but watch how heatley gets them, he is never really covered. the line mates get the attention of the defenders, while heatley, goes into stealth mode and just circles around the ice till he finds that perfect area for the rebound to find the puck on his stick.

perfect example, was his goal against the usa in the prelims. he just circled the entire offensive zone until he finally got to an area where there was no defensemen and the puck was shot on net and he got the rebound.

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Come playoff time, this team's bread and butter is going to be Thornton and Heatley. There's just no getting around that. It will fail miserably because Thornton fails in the playoffs the way he plays but we'll keep going to that well.

Heatley-Thornton-Setoguchi
Marleau-Pavelski-Clowe
McGinn-Malhotra-Mitchell
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer

That is, imo, the best balance to have if and when everyone is clicking.

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I know it won't happen to start, but I kind of wish that Todd would split up the top line since they will almost definitely be shut down in the playoffs.
I am not sure that this would be in fact the case. I think most posters discount what Heater brings.

Teams know that they can NOT play Joe soft and give him time. He is too good when he is able to slow things down. So any good shutdown line is going to pressure him. FINE!

This means that the gabs between Joe and the defence are going to be small, very small. This automatically opens up ice for Patty and Heater. In the past Patty has gotten oppertunities because of the space Joe gives him. This will continue.

The difference between last season and this is HEATER. This is a guy that can given a one on one situation can beat a guy and create a chance, or when someone creates his chance by feeding him the puck he scores.

While i have no issue trading out Patty for Seto or Manny. HEATER is the key to this team success. Teams either have to play honest and given Joe time and space, or they have to risk giving Danny oppertunities.

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Come playoff time, this team's bread and butter is going to be Thornton and Heatley. There's just no getting around that. It will fail miserably because Thornton fails in the playoffs the way he plays but we'll keep going to that well.

Heatley-Thornton-Setoguchi
Marleau-Pavelski-Clowe
McGinn-Malhotra-Mitchell
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer

That is, imo, the best balance to have if and when everyone is clicking.
I really like this set up as well. It gets so frustrating that T.M. continues to play McGinn with the likes of Staubitz and Nichols, they just don't click. This set up is so much better. a very good test would even be to put him on on line 2 and put Clowe with Manny and Mitchell as, Clowe has had some good pairing with Manny this season and, now before he playoffs is the time to test this idea out.

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I really like this set up as well. It gets so frustrating that T.M. continues to play McGinn with the likes of Staubitz and Nichols, they just don't click. This set up is so much better. a very good test would even be to put him on on line 2 and put Clowe with Manny and Mitchell as, Clowe has had some good pairing with Manny this season and, now before he playoffs is the time to test this idea out.
The only time Malhotra played with Clowe was when Pavs and Seto were out. That was quite a long time ago. He's recently shown chemistry with Nichol and Ortmeyer. If they want to run with that and go with McGinn on the 2nd line instead so be it but I doubt that will happen.

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The only time Malhotra played with Clowe was when Pavs and Seto were out. That was quite a long time ago. He's recently shown chemistry with Nichol and Ortmeyer. If they want to run with that and go with McGinn on the 2nd line instead so be it but I doubt that will happen.
Not just that period as, when Pavs came back they ran with the trio for a couple weeks and they looked pretty good together. But per McGinn, I agree, I don't see T.M. trying it out, although it could be something interesting.

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Not just that period as, when Pavs came back they ran with the trio for a couple weeks and they looked pretty good together. But per McGinn, I agree, I don't see T.M. trying it out, although it could be something interesting.
do you mean the period where the sharks finally started to get secondary scoring? after a period of time where the thornton, marleau, heatley line had scored something like the past 12 or so goals?

if that is the period of time, it was pavs, malhotra, seto

not pavs, malhotra clowe

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Heatley-Thornton-Setoguchi
Marleau-Pavelski-Clowe
McGinn-Malhotra-Mitchell
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer
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Boyle-Murray
Blake-Vlasic
Wallin-Huskins
Demers
This.

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do you mean the period where the sharks finally started to get secondary scoring? after a period of time where the thornton, marleau, heatley line had scored something like the past 12 or so goals?

if that is the period of time, it was pavs, malhotra, seto

not pavs, malhotra clowe
No, it was Clowe and, it was when Seto was shoved to the bottom lines for a short period to 'try' and find his game back. So, not Seto. I can't believe you can't recall as, it's been talked about a few times on the boards here aleady and, not via myself only but other Sharks fans.

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No, it was Clowe and, it was when Seto was shoved to the bottom lines for a short period to 'try' and find his game back. So, not Seto. I can't believe you can't recall as, it's been talked about a few times on the boards here aleady and, not via myself only but other Sharks fans.
it was just before malhotra was injured right?

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it was just before malhotra was injured right?
To be honest, I cannot remember if he had gotten injured and then that's when they split the line but, it could be. I know it was after Seto and Pavs came back and, Seto was struggling like mad.

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To be honest, I cannot remember if he had gotten injured and then that's when they split the line but, it could be. I know it was after Seto and Pavs came back and, Seto was struggling like mad.
Yeah, when Seto was out and struggling on his return. That was still quite a while ago. We're talking about December here when it was a consistent line and not just a mash up during the odd game that they need to switch things up.

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To be honest, I cannot remember if he had gotten injured and then that's when they split the line but, it could be. I know it was after Seto and Pavs came back and, Seto was struggling like mad.
I don't remember when the change happened, but it was the normal top line, Malhotra-Pavs-Seto on the 2nd, and Clowe-Nichol-Ort on the 3rd. Then Manny got injured and Clowe moved back up (and I believe we started losing games). During that period of success and secondary scoring, Malhotra did not play with Clowe.

Also, the way Mitchell has played this year he should be nowhere near a line that is expected to put up any points.

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I don't remember when the change happened, but it was the normal top line, Malhotra-Pavs-Seto on the 2nd, and Clowe-Nichol-Ort on the 3rd. Then Manny got injured and Clowe moved back up (and I believe we started losing games).
exactly, when the sharks got a good weeks full of consistent secondary scoring was when malhotra was with seto and pavs.

and clowe bumped down to the 3rd line.

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I think we'll spread the lines around to add scoring depth and increase defensive awareness/grittyness on all lines. Gotta roll three lines!

Mitchell-Thornton-Heatley
Setoguchi-Pavs-Clowe
Patty-Malhotra-McGinn
Ortmeyer-Nichol-Staubitz
McLaren

On D i can see Demers in for more puck moving offensive matchups.

Boyle-Murray
Blake-Vlasic
Wallin-Huskins
Demers
I like this. I like spreading out the offense over three lines, rather than stack the top 2.

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Heatley-Thornton-Setoguchi
Marleau-Pavelski-Clowe
McGinn-Malhorta-X
Ortmeyer-Nichol-Mitchell

Boyle-Murray
Vlasic-Blake
Wallin-Huskins
Demers

Split the third line rw shifts between the rest of the forwards, and the top 6 forwards in particular. Play 7 d-men including Demers on the PP and if the team is behind. Give him only a few minutes per game even strength. He is our second best offensive d-man, and even if he struggles defensively, I think he can have a more positive (not to mention less negative effect) that Staubitz. I wouldn't mind Ferrerio either. Staubitz has improved, but I am not sure how necessary he is come playoff time. Demers has been a key to our power play.

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