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03-04-2010, 02:44 PM
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I still remember when this happened and reading about it....tough loss for Jeff.

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Oh my, I do not remember that. How horrible.

It is however, another tribute to a quality that 'worthless loser' Halpern has, perseverance.

Condolensces are never too belated for something so unneccessarily tragic (down with Flavio), and Harper has mine.

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I still remember when this happened and reading about it....tough loss for Jeff.

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Oh, that's horrible.

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Halpern was 8th in scoring while playing for TB this year. Hardly, ONE OF THE WORST.
... Of the forwards who played 15+ minutes per game for the Lightning, Halpern is the worst scorer and has the worst plus-minus. He also had the fewest shots on goal per game among those forwards. What is it, precisely, that he does? He's pretty good at faceoffs, and also pretty good at blocking shots ... for a forward, anyway. If Halpern was a young player, it would be one thing -- those could be building blocks of a future career. But he isn't. He's as good as he's going to get. Players don't discover a new level of ability at 33 years old. It just doesn't happen.

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This is just stupid. Someone with Halperns MO will have no problem building chemistry with the players on this team.
... That remains to be seen. He's not good enough to be in the top nine, really he isn't good enough to be dressing for this team but I'm sure he will.

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This point can be argued, and rather fairly might I add. A player that is expected to be a top six guy scoring bottom 6 numbers is a problem, and DOES hurt the team.
... It only hurts the team if you judge a player by your perceived expectations of that player, and how long you're willing to give the player to meet some of those expectations. Purcell has played 91 NHL games, a little over one season. Most of that has been games of about 10 minutes or so on the ice with varying lines, and he didn't hurt the team while he was out there. Giving up on a player after playing less than a hundred games in the NHL would seem to be a curious way of judging players.

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Maybe you are forgetting, but Teddy has NEVER seen the postseason. And Harper is now ANOTHER player on this team that has seen the dance. This only is worth the trade in and of itself.
... Halpern hasn't been on a team who's won anything in the playoffs, just like almost everyone else on the Kings now. Personally I would prefer to have Purcell as part of a young cohesive team that learns how to win together. The Kings already have guys who've won the Cup before. What more can be said by someone who hasn't even won a round? What experience can Halpern possibly convey that O'Donnell, Scuderi, and Williams cannot?

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To trade dead weight for a solid fourth line PK specialist who is good in the Faceoff circle is HUGE. Just think about it.
... Funny, have YOU thought about it? Halpern was second among Tampa forwards in PK time and their PK is as bad as the Kings' is. The Lightning PK is arguably the worst element of their team; it's either their PK or their 5-on-5 play, and Halpern has been poor at both elements, so either way the facts don't support your case. A PK specialist on a bad PK is not a valuable man.

And you might want to get past YOUR emotions and make sure you know who you're actually referring to -- I thought you were saying all of these things about Terry Harper for a second, who might have helped the Kings at one point; unfortunately the man is 70 years old now and would more than likely have to see his ice time severely limited.

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Soooo... how many Tampa Bay Lightning games have you watched this year? Last year? Yeah exactly. This is the third time I've asked you that and you haven't answered it. I'm guessing I know the answer.

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... Of the forwards who played 15+ minutes per game for the Lightning, Halpern is the worst scorer and has the worst plus-minus. He also had the fewest shots on goal per game among those forwards. What is it, precisely, that he does? He's pretty good at faceoffs, and also pretty good at blocking shots ... for a forward, anyway. If Halpern was a young player, it would be one thing -- those could be building blocks of a future career. But he isn't. He's as good as he's going to get. Players don't discover a new level of ability at 33 years old. It just doesn't happen.
besides his unfortunate injury, this years Ryan Smyth says hi!

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I just found out Halpern is a fellow Jew, hot diggity dog!

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I just found out Halpern is a fellow Jew, hot diggity dog!
As long as that hot dog is Kosher

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JT, you are using team stats (+/- and PK%) on a bad TEAM to make an argument about one player. It don't work that way.

And you're logic is completely false. IE: Scuderi, OD and Williams have won a cup. Halpern hasn't. Therefore, Halpern has nothing to offer. I don't even need to break that down, but there simply isn't any logic in that thought. Its just you creating threads between those separate thoughts.

From your constant harping that Teddy has never hurt the team, it sounds to me like you prefer a placeholder than a role player. Your point about Halpern not getting any better is quite meaningless as well. Sure, Purcell MAY (this word can not be stressed enough) improve, at varying degrees, from what he is now to great, or to decent or the just marginally better. He may also never go anywhere. We just don't know. So Halpern won't be getting any better. IS HE SUPPOSED TO? Is there a single person in this entire fanbase or organization or league that expects Halpern to improve upon the game he's been using to cash a nice paycheck since Teddy was still in P.E. class at middle school? No. You won't find a single one.

He wasn't brought here to improve his own game, he was brought here to play his own game, which is to block shots and win face-offs and provide depth. You admit he can do these things well. So what's the problem?

You are digressing frequently between thoughts to the future and thoughts to the present playoff run. Halpern is ONLY here for the playoff run. That is all. Any talk towards the future surrounding Halpern is pointless.

You can talk about the future in regards to Purcell. His future is uncertain.

What we do know is that he wasn't ADDING anything to the team for well, what was it? 91 games.

We also know that the Kings have plenty of other draft picks and forward prospects who have made more of their respective opportunities, regardless of quality or special team minutes (Moller, Parse) and others who have just as much promise and potential (Loktionov, Schenn), and the simple fact that there are only so many roster spots to go around.

You usually use such good, if not myopic a times in regards to numbers, logic. Here you simply have none, save for a general departure with the franchise as to where they are at the moment in terms of philosophy, in so far as management, along with the rest of us, are willing to give up some youth and future to bolster the playoff run now, whereas your philosophy seems to be "hell with the playoffs, hang on to the prospects as long as humanly possible."

Also, once again, you have zero regard for any tact or knowledge by management and coaching and blindly side with the player. Its never the players fault for not making the most of his minutes, its always some elephant in the room or monkey placed on the players back, or better yet, an invisible noose tied around the player's ability to contribute in a meaningful way with the ice time he is given.

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I just found out Halpern is a fellow Jew, hot diggity dog!
He is? I was wondering that along with my dad yesterday. He thought he was, but I'm so not used to Jews in the league I instinctively went "No way."

Awesome! Just in time for passover, both the holiday and the way we will treat other teams in the standings

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... It only hurts the team if you judge a player by your perceived expectations of that player, and how long you're willing to give the player to meet some of those expectations. Purcell has played 91 NHL games, a little over one season. Most of that has been games of about 10 minutes or so on the ice with varying lines, and he didn't hurt the team while he was out there. Giving up on a player after playing less than a hundred games in the NHL would seem to be a curious way of judging players.
Aren't you supposed to be helping the team? I like that since he wasn't hurting the team, he should be in the line up.

Yeah he played less than a hundred games. That is a lot more than most prospects get and he is 24. Were you ready to wait until he was like 30 to see if he could pull it together? I thought the goal here was to be winning games. That is what the Kings are doing yet you are complaining about a prospect that didn't pan out for this team and was traded consequently.

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... Funny, have YOU thought about it? Halpern was second among Tampa forwards in PK time and their PK is as bad as the Kings' is. The Lightning PK is arguably the worst element of their team; it's either their PK or their 5-on-5 play, and Halpern has been poor at both elements, so either way the facts don't support your case. A PK specialist on a bad PK is not a valuable man.
You know you are right. Rob Scuderi is a lousy PK'r which is one of the reasons the Kings signed him. With the Kings having the 22nd ranked PK, he just isn't livign up to expectations. That is a bit a of a strawman. For one, you can't saddle a weak PK on one player. There are 2 or 3 other skaters on the ice with you and a goalie. The coach also implements a system.

Oh yeah.. so how many penalties have you watched Jeff kill this year?

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Okay, hypothetical scenario:

The Kings are in the playoffs and are playing an elimination game against, let's say the Detroit. It's an away game and the Wings have the final line change. The Kings are leading a close game and decide now is the time to play the fourth line to give the other lines a rest. Babcock then decides to do some creative coaching and matches their first line against our fourth in a critical time when the Kings are already feeling the pressure.

Now, would you rather have Halpern/Modin and whomever on the ice, a couple of rookies in Clune/Cliche/Möller or "veterans" Ivanans/Harrold/Purcell when Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Holmström are staring you down? I know, it's a very hypothetical situation but situations similar to this will occur on a smaller scale down the stretch all the way to the playoffs.

And yes, obviously we aren't going for the cup this season but why not give the team the best chance to succeed? Personally I prefer the Detroit mold of an experienced, defensively responsible fourth line instead of relying on prospects and rookies who should be in the minors playing 20 minutes a game instead of 10.

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And yes, obviously we aren't going for the cup this season but why not give the team the best chance to succeed?
Why would the Kings not be going for the cup this season? They are currently 5th in the NHL and they are playing as good as any team in the NHL right now. They have shown that they can win on the road and they can hold a lead in the third period. Both huge for playoff success.

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this move is to help with the playoffs, which there is zero admissable evidence to suggest Purcell would be of bigger boon value than Halpern.
Its shows that you have been hanging around attorneys a little too much lately.

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I meant that he'll outscore Purcell down the stretch. I was writing on my blackberrry so I didn't word that very well.



Well I do not have a clue what I'm talking about so you got that right. And I have nothing against Teddy. I wanted him to do well as a King. Unfortunately, you are about the only person that can't see that wasn't going to happen.

3 g 3 a in 41 games. See I can play your game too. He was getting PP time, time on the top lines and he couldn't perform. The guy is 24 years old, 6' 2" and plays like a girl. I'll ask you again, how much time did you plan on giving him? There was no room for him on the team.

And yeah, I think there is a good chance Halpern outscores Teddy in the final 20 games of the season. Teddy will probably get time on their top 6 so if he does get outscored by a 4th liner that will be pretty telling.
I dont think its much of a stretch that Halpern outperforms Edward Flutterhands Purcell through the remaining 20 games of the season. this isnt the AHL and Flutterhands simply cant cut it at this level. halpern on the other hand has a lengthly career to show that he can and has performed.

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quote from Halpern:

"But at the same time, to go to L.A., where they have a good team, (you) have the chance to play for a team that has a good shot at making an impact in the playoffs and win a Stanley Cup."

He thinks we've got a good chance at the Cup? Love the optimism.
Halpern likes our team. So do I. Its a damn shame JT Dutch doesn't

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Why would the Kings not be going for the cup this season? They are currently 5th in the NHL and they are playing as good as any team in the NHL right now. They have shown that they can win on the road and they can hold a lead in the third period. Both huge for playoff success.
And also come back from 2 goal deficits. Didn't the Kings come from behind in like 5 or 6 games on that 9 game win streak?

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Why would the Kings not be going for the cup this season?
There are a million reasons, you should be able to figure some of them out yourself. I'll help you along by naming the biggest one: most of the team's young key players never played in the Stanley Cup playoffs before.

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This team is going for the Cup. There wasn't anything out there that could push us much further at the deadline and I'm sure everyone would agree. Are crazy moves what is required to be "making a push?" I don't believe so. Us as fans certainly aren't expecting to get there though.

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Its shows that you have been hanging around attorneys a little too much lately.
Give me some credit.

That was just for you.

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For now, the team focus in on making the playoffs.

Once the final standings are done, the goal becomes winning the cup.

If anyone in the organization's mindset in April, while the Kings are playing playoff games, is 'it's not like we'll win the cup,' that person(s) should be fired on the spot.

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Every team and every player at the start of the season is going for the cup. Every team that makes the playoffs is going for the cup. All I'm saying is any success the Kings experience in the post season will be gravy.

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... Of the forwards who played 15+ minutes per game for the Lightning, Halpern is the worst scorer and has the worst plus-minus. He also had the fewest shots on goal per game among those forwards. What is it, precisely, that he does? He's pretty good at faceoffs, and also pretty good at blocking shots ... for a forward, anyway. If Halpern was a young player, it would be one thing -- those could be building blocks of a future career. But he isn't. He's as good as he's going to get. Players don't discover a new level of ability at 33 years old. It just doesn't happen.
Do you really think the Kings traded for Jeff Halpern hoping that he'll become a 22 year old scorer who can pot 50 goals? They picked him up for the remainder of the season (and just for that, since he is a UFA next year if I'm not mistaken) to fill a role. His role right now is a 4th liner. Lombardi, Murray, even Halpern himself has said as much. He's here to come in with his experience and help a young team however he can. We're not looking for him to replace Kopitar. We were trying to upgraded one of the things this young team is lacking (or was)...4th line players. How can you argue that Purcell, sitting in the box, can fill that role? Have you ever watched Purcell play? Like, REALLY watched him this season? He was lost, regardless of the line or linemates they put him with. That's like saying Greene doesn't have a place on this team because he doesn't score or make plays like Doughty. I don't get why you are so intent on having this team stand pat and not try and improve. When you're a good team, it doesn't matter that you lost one of THREE 3rd rounders, or an underachieving guy like Purcell. I bet you're the same guy who wishes we kept Brian Boyle.

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Every team and every player at the start of the season is going for the cup. Every team that makes the playoffs is going for the cup. All I'm saying is any success the Kings experience in the post season will be gravy.
Exactly. Look at the year we went to the cup. Did you honestly think that year the Kings would be in the finals? Look at the Oilers when they lost to the Canes. Weren't they in 8th in the conference that year going into it? You never know what will happen.

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All I'm saying is any success the Kings experience in the post season will be gravy.

This sounds suspiciously like loser talk. I sure hope the players don't have this attitude.

I would be extremely disappointed if this team gets eliminated in the first round. Mildly disappointed for a second round exit and would be okay with a third round exit. I would probably be more disappointed if they lose in the finals, especially if they lose 3 straight OT games again.

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This team seems to have all the pieces to be a legit cup contender. The X factor in the playoffs will be how well the young players will be able to play. Can Kopitar be the first or second best player on the ice (Wanted Kovalchuk so Kopi would not have to deal with the pressure)? Can Quick stand on his head? Can DD, JJ, Brownie, Simmonds step up to the pressure? Questions like this make me wish these players were 26, 27...a bit closer to their prime. But the talent is there its just a matter of being able to carry it over to a do or die situation.

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I made a long post about how Halpern was a good fit on the team and you guys get stuck on one comment. Sure the Kings are going for the cup this season but so is every other team. Let's say the Kings are eliminated in the second round in the playoffs. Will ANYONE look back and say this season was a failure?

It's just part of the growth process and I don't understand how you can't see that. Christ, we experience some regular season success and all of a sudden drop everything, we're gonna get the Stanley Cup!!! If anyone think we won't, that's just "loser talk". We're going for the Cup everybody, THE CUP! Randy Jones, lead the way! Don't worry about having someone to backup Quick if he gets injured, we're gonna win the STANLEY CUP!! Most of our key players are inexperienced but that's no problem, we'll be busy raising banners to the rafters!

See, I can twist your words as well

Just make an effort to understand what I was saying.

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