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03-06-2010, 07:02 AM
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we traded our 3rd for Boyle didn't we?
The picks that count if you send and offer sheet to an RFA are for the 2011 draft. The Boyle pick is a 3rd in 2010.

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03-06-2010, 07:17 AM
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They also have about seven NHL quality forwards signed, and have roughly 19~ mil to have the rest of that filled out, as well as a backup goalie and probably one more defensemen. Balance that with Semin being a UFA in 11/12, Varlamov being an RFA the same year, and the majority of their young guys RFA'ing as well that season (Carlson/Alzner/etc).

Would be much easier to manage from the Rangers standpoint. Obviously everything would have to start with a Redden trade/demotion, but it's slightly possible.


The idea that teams would purposely target other team's RFA's if they threw out offer sheets is such conjecture. Where's the retaliation for the Vanek deal?

The real reason is rarely happens is because the player actually has to sign it, and it's backfired more often then worked thus far.
Agreed, fear of retaliation is not the main reason why poaching RFAs is so uncommon. It's more to do with the fact that one team will have to massively overpay for the player, and may have to surrender some costly draft picks if the RFA signs their offer sheet. The Penner and Vanek contracts are awful, although Penner finally seems to be turning it around this season.

Poaching RFAs is pretty rare, and I can only imagine it occurring on a regular basis if a UFA class is so awful that the GMs are forced to extend offer sheets to RFAs on other teams. Edmonton had trouble signing free agents (Nylander reneged on a deal with them last minute) and tried offer sheeting other teams' RFAs as a viable way of building a team, and it totally backfired. As long as Sather can entice free agents to come to NY (he has no problem overpaying UFAs so they sign here), I don't think he will offer sheet another team's RFA.

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03-06-2010, 07:23 AM
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I would love to see Ryan and Backstrom playing for Rangers but 'offer sheet(ing)' them would be a mistake. You pretty much always overpay.

And good point on few of our guys becoming RFAs in the same time (Dubi, Cally, Sangs and Gilroy).

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03-06-2010, 07:59 AM
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I would love Ryan. Plus he's from Cherry Hill, New Jersey. As Doc Emrick and Eddie Olczyk kept telling the audience. Like we didn't hear them the first 20 times....

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03-06-2010, 08:27 AM
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Backstrom would be a ****ing retard to leave Ovechkin.
Why? Is playing with Gaborik not as valuable? Yes I know Ovechkin is maybe the best in the game right now, but Gaborik is an elite player, Backstrom would still put up the points here and get the money he wants

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03-06-2010, 09:53 AM
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Im not sure if we can. But I would if we can.
this might work

To Ducks:
Dubinsky
Girardi
Voros
3rd round pick

To Rangers:
Ryan
Mikklleson

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03-06-2010, 10:00 AM
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this might work

To Ducks:
Dubinsky
Girardi
Voros
3rd round pick

To Rangers:
Ryan
Mikklleson
they counter with marchant, eminger, and lupol for gaborik and a 2nd.

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03-06-2010, 10:06 AM
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they counter with marchant, eminger, and lupol for gaborik and a 2nd.
and then we re-counter with Gaborik and Dubinsky for Lupol and Ryan and 7th round pick

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03-06-2010, 10:11 AM
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Sather doesn't do offer sheets. He is part of the old guard where there is an unwritten rule about staying away from teams RFA's. Is this logical or smart? Who knows.

If we were to offer sheet someone I'd give one to Backstrom before Ryan.
Right on! Not to Backstrom, but to Slats being of the Good ole boys club. Certain guys just won't do it as it's well, unethical.

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03-06-2010, 10:15 AM
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I would love to see Ryan in a Ranger uniform, but it most likely won't happen.

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03-06-2010, 10:39 AM
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You won't see an offer sheet from Glen Sather.

I think we won't be seeing offer sheets in general as they create ill will between the Gm's

It was a cool idea, but its downside is not something these guys want to have to deal with.

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03-06-2010, 10:42 AM
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this might work

To Ducks:
Dubinsky
Girardi
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3rd round pick

To Rangers:
Ryan
Mikklleson
How does that make the Ducks better?

I guess that 3rd rounder could turn into something.


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03-06-2010, 12:39 PM
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Terrible idea. Offer sheets aren't a smart way to go.

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03-06-2010, 01:00 PM
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The New York Rangers are one of the most frustrating hockey clubs to watch. I don't know how you fans feel, but it seems like the identity of the Rangers is disappearing. For years, the club has been the most randomly constructed team; there's no structure, no backbone. Simply put, this organization needs to focus on cultivating their own garden.
Ummm, you pretty much defined the identity of the Rangers. It's not disappearing, its still going strong (look at the amount of roster turnover we have EVERY year).

How do you think we won the cup in 94?

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Why? Is playing with Gaborik not as valuable? Yes I know Ovechkin is maybe the best in the game right now, but Gaborik is an elite player, Backstrom would still put up the points here and get the money he wants
No, it isn't as valuable.

Ovechkin is an automatic 50 goals every year, and is a beast physically. Gaborik has a series of major injury problems. I'm sure the potential of centering the Rangers first line of Sean Avery and Ryan Callahan is just as attractive as playing with Ovechkin, who I'm pretty sure has missed one, maybe two, games to injury in the first 5 years of his career.

Backstrom is a great center, and obviously could put up big points with Gaborik. But why would you leave the chance to be the permanent center for the best offensive player of your generation, especially when you're going to get paid either way? Backstrom is more important to the Caps than Semin, and he will get paid.

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03-06-2010, 01:20 PM
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I don't see Backstrom going anywhere, possibly ever. If there's to be a cap casualty in Washington it'll be Semin.

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03-06-2010, 01:31 PM
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You won't see an offer sheet from Glen Sather.

I think we won't be seeing offer sheets in general as they create ill will between the Gm's

It was a cool idea, but its downside is not something these guys want to have to deal with.
Offer sheets are for ****ing with your rivals.

The Rangers shouldn't offer a sheet to Bobby Ryan, but next season, should absolutely extend one to Zach Parise, or James VanRiemsdyk, for example.

Try explaining to your fanbase that you let your rival get away with your young star. Good luck.

There's no ill will created when there's already bad blood. It's a shrewd move.

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03-06-2010, 01:44 PM
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Offer sheets are for ****ing with your rivals.

The Rangers shouldn't offer a sheet to Bobby Ryan, but next season, should absolutely extend one to Zach Parise, or James VanRiemsdyk, for example.

Try explaining to your fanbase that you let your rival get away with your young star. Good luck.

There's no ill will created when there's already bad blood. It's a shrewd move.
That is a very interesting idea, however....the only way i see that happening is if the devils sign kovulchuk for around 9 mil per and does brodeur leave that offseason? if so the devils can match no matter what. The devils aren't letting go of Parise, he is their first homegrown superstar.

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03-06-2010, 05:09 PM
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That is a very interesting idea, however....the only way i see that happening is if the devils sign kovulchuk for around 9 mil per and does brodeur leave that offseason? if so the devils can match no matter what. The devils aren't letting go of Parise, he is their first homegrown superstar.
It would be smartest to do it in 2011 considering its supposed to be the weakest draft class in years.

So be smart. Send out an offer sheet that a team cannot match, and they are getting a picks in a **** draft. Its a win win for the Rangers.

Id have no problem sending an OS to Backstrom.

You really think Washington can afford to match 5 mil for him?

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03-06-2010, 05:42 PM
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You really think Washington can afford to match 5 mil for him?
When's his contract up again? Theodore's gone at the end of this season and then Semin's extension's up after next season (if memory serves me correctly) - there's absolutely no way in hell they don't cater for Backstrom's extension.

Also, not to play the bad guy, but what makes people so sure that guys like Backstrom and Parise would even want to come here? Especially Parise, these guys see as often as anyone else what a cluster**** of a team the Rangers can be.

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03-06-2010, 11:02 PM
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You are forgetting something

The player has to want to sign an offersheet , In past alot of guys have turned down the oppurtunity.

Ryan will not be leaving the Ducks. The Rangers would be best served trading assets for a winger like Versteeg

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03-06-2010, 11:03 PM
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You are forgetting something

The player has to want to sign an offersheet , In past alot of guys have turned down the oppurtunity.

Ryan will not be leaving the Ducks. The Rangers would be best served trading assets for a winger like Versteeg
isnt Ryan a huge Rangers fan?

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isnt Ryan a huge Rangers fan?
Flyers fan as far as I know. I thought JvR was the Rangers fan, unless I mixed them up. Certainly possible.

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Flyers fan as far as I know. I thought JvR was the Rangers fan, unless I mixed them up. Certainly possible.
JVR is the Rangers fan, that im 99% sure of.

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Flyers fan as far as I know. I thought JvR was the Rangers fan, unless I mixed them up. Certainly possible.
yeah, i know about JVR...but I thought Ryan was a Rangers fan, but im not sure though, dont hold me to it.

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