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03-07-2010, 10:12 AM
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Let's hope Tambo does indeed work "diligently" then. Just a side note about his comment about those that are content...why do I get the impression that's not just Moreau but also Horcoff. Can't wait for season's end and hear the players' season reflections
If I were to guess (I am not in the room so I have no idea), I don't think Horcoff is a cancer. I think the dude has a good attitude. That doesn't mean I excuse his poor play, but just saying as far as cancer goes, I don't know if Horcoff would be the first one I would suspect.

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If I were to guess (I am not in the room so I have no idea), I don't think Horcoff is a cancer. I think the dude has a good attitude. That doesn't mean I excuse his poor play, but just saying as far as cancer goes, I don't know if Horcoff would be the first one I would suspect.
Me either.

Everything you read about the guy talks about his work ethic, how hard he works in the off-season, etc, how good of a teammate he is

That doesn't excuse his play (that is not my point) but I would not guess he is the cancer in the room.

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03-07-2010, 11:21 AM
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I think nearly everyone would disagree with that. If you provide him more playing time in a league where competition is faster and stronger it has to be better for his development than sitting and analyzing - something he can do just as easily with coaching staff in a film room.
One of the things the Oilers have lacked for quite some time is a very direct approach to development. This is an opportunity to put a player in a completely focused, development-oriented environment. I take that every time.

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Me either.

Everything you read about the guy talks about his work ethic, how hard he works in the off-season, etc, how good of a teammate he is

That doesn't excuse his play (that is not my point) but I would not guess he is the cancer in the room.
Moreau we know for a fact never admits to anything

Just thought of Horcoff because he doesn't seem to acknowledge a lot about his personal performance-ala Moreau but Moreau is by far the worst.

As I said, cant wait to hear what "excuses" the team has at the end of the year

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from 2000-2009 there were 11 CHL forwards taken in the top-3.... of those 11, only 2 (spezza and ryan) didn't play the full year in the NHL the next season... if hall or seguin don't play in the NHL next year it will be very surprising
Goes to show (based on those 2) that it's not always a horrible thing to take the slow road to the NHL.

Hall just needs one more year in the OHL, then he can go to the AHL at 19. I don't think that's a horrible path for him to take (if we take hall).

Seguin would need 2, but again, I don't think 1 more year down there would be bad for him. Besides, he's going to help his NHL team out more at 26 than he will at 18.

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Us fans deserve to see Eberle play as an Oiler this season.
If that's the only reason why the Oilers would put him in the NHL this year it's completely idiotic.

Quite frankly, he should be in the NHL when he proves that he doesn't need to be in a lower league anymore.

Whether that's 10 games from now or 90 games from now. There is no reason to rush this kid into the NHL. He's not going to contribute much to winning and he's got a lot he can learn.

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Goes to show (based on those 2) that it's not always a horrible thing to take the slow road to the NHL.

Hall just needs one more year in the OHL, then he can go to the AHL at 19. I don't think that's a horrible path for him to take (if we take hall).

Seguin would need 2, but again, I don't think 1 more year down there would be bad for him. Besides, he's going to help his NHL team out more at 26 than he will at 18.
You don't think Hall dominating the OHL for one more year is a little redundant? I mean, he's got over 100 points, and he's done well for the past three years.

I agree with Seguin, as another year to dominate and round out his wouldn't hurt him(as he's only played 2 junior years compared to Hall's 3), but with Hall seems like a waste of a year no?

I agree that we should take our time with these top picks though. (though, with this management, probably won't)

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He needs his cup of coffee, 9 games max.

If he scores at a ridiculously torrid scoring pace in the NHL, then he stays in the NHL next season (but that's doubtful as he didn't put up anything in the pre-season).

I don't mind him on the AHL, but I really wish we had a decent AHL. The poor kid has been on one of the worst teams in the league from Jr. to the A to likely into the NHL.

The dude deserves a chance to develop without the weight of the world on his shoulders.


Priority #1 should be upgrading the farm, and reducing the callups.

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For those talking 2-3 years of development for Hall and Seguin:

I totally get where you guys are coming from on the developmental part. But I don't think that applies to guys that straight-up dominate their leagues and are top-3 picks. I mean, look at some of the top-3 forwards taken in the past few years. They've all had fabulous rookie years.

2005 - Crosby
2006 - Staal
2007 - Kane
2008 - Stamkos
2009 - Tavares, Duchene.

And I want to use Stamkos as a direct comparison to Seguin here. Both are 6'1 forwards in the 190-195lb range at age 17, playing prominent roles on teams that aren't that good in the OHL.

Stamkos played 2 OHL seasons, just like Seguin will have heading into the draft:

06-07: 42-50-92 in 63 games
07-08: 58-47-105 in 61 games

Seguin on the other hand:

08-09: 21-46-67 in 61 games
09-10: 47-58-105 in 60 games

Sure, his 16-year season wasn't as good as Stamkos', but Stamkos had some solid teammates that year - including Harrison Reed, Ryan Wilson (Avs Dman), and Justin DiBenedetto. All these guys are NHL draft picks or players.

Seguin has nothing of the sort.

What really impresses me is how he's reached Stamkos' point total in the same amount of games playing with relatively the same players in his 17-year old year. This guy will probably follow the same curve Stamkos did.

If anything, his sudden rise to stardom should indicate more room for growth, while guys like Hall have kind of leveled off in their production. Seguin shows signs if becoming an even better player in the future.

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Goes to show (based on those 2) that it's not always a horrible thing to take the slow road to the NHL.

Hall just needs one more year in the OHL, then he can go to the AHL at 19. I don't think that's a horrible path for him to take (if we take hall).

Seguin would need 2, but again, I don't think 1 more year down there would be bad for him. Besides, he's going to help his NHL team out more at 26 than he will at 18.
i think what it actually shows is that CHL forwards taken in the top-3 of the draft are as close as "locks" as you can get in the NHL draft.... it doesn't matter what their development path is, almost all of them turn out pretty damn good

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We don't know what it is, but there has been loud indication that something is very wrong with the Oilers dressing room.

You can't blame management for not wanting to expose its #1 prospect to that environment.

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I want Eberles first game to be a season opener with a fresh start for everyone. Not thrown into the fire in the middle of an indescribably bad season.

But him in the AHL would be a good way to start getting him used to the speed and strength of pro.. i think this is all and all a good management move

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For those talking 2-3 years of development for Hall and Seguin:

I totally get where you guys are coming from on the developmental part. But I don't think that applies to guys that straight-up dominate their leagues and are top-3 picks. I mean, look at some of the top-3 forwards taken in the past few years. They've all had fabulous rookie years.

2005 - Crosby
2006 - Staal
2007 - Kane
2008 - Stamkos
2009 - Tavares, Duchene.

And I want to use Stamkos as a direct comparison to Seguin here. Both are 6'1 forwards in the 190-195lb range at age 17, playing prominent roles on teams that aren't that good in the OHL.

Stamkos played 2 OHL seasons, just like Seguin will have heading into the draft:

06-07: 42-50-92 in 63 games
07-08: 58-47-105 in 61 games

Seguin on the other hand:

08-09: 21-46-67 in 61 games
09-10: 47-58-105 in 60 games

Sure, his 16-year season wasn't as good as Stamkos', but Stamkos had some solid teammates that year - including Harrison Reed, Ryan Wilson (Avs Dman), and Justin DiBenedetto. All these guys are NHL draft picks or players.

Seguin has nothing of the sort.

What really impresses me is how he's reached Stamkos' point total in the same amount of games playing with relatively the same players in his 17-year old year. This guy will probably follow the same curve Stamkos did.

If anything, his sudden rise to stardom should indicate more room for growth, while guys like Hall have kind of leveled off in their production. Seguin shows signs if becoming an even better player in the future.
Good post. To the bolded, that's like what happened to Matt Duchene.

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