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03-08-2010, 04:23 PM
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Buyouts

I've heard on 1260 that you can buy players out under the age of 25 or who signed their current contract under the age of 25 can be bought out for 1/3 of their current contract.

Does anyone know the real rule?

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www.capgeek.com

www.nhlnumbers.com

lots lots and lots of info there

and yes--that is the rule

they jumped the fact there is a limit of how many contracts you can buyout

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I've heard on 1260 that you can buy players out under the age of 25 or who signed their current contract under the age of 25 can be bought out for 1/3 of their current contract.

Does anyone know the real rule?
They are right. But in a round about way it isn't exactly 1/3.

http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#buyouts

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www.capgeek.com

www.nhlnumbers.com

lots lots and lots of info there

and yes--that is the rule

they jumped the fact there is a limit of how many contracts you can buyout
There is a limit? To tell you the truth I don't expect more then two buyouts anyways.

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www.capgeek.com

www.nhlnumbers.com

lots lots and lots of info there

and yes--that is the rule

they jumped the fact there is a limit of how many contracts you can buyout
thank you for the help

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There is a limit? To tell you the truth I don't expect more then two buyouts anyways.
Who do you think would be a good buy out?

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from what I can tell we can buyout Nilsson+POS+Moreau for a total of 3.5-3.6 million in one season rather than having it spread out over 2yrs and have them off the books for 2011-12 seems like a no brainer to me IMO.

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Reading between the lines: Nilsson and O'Sullivan are toast. They'll be gone, and we'll save $3.5 million against the cap in doing it.

They might buyout Moreau, but I figure he gets dealt draft day.

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Who do you think would be a good buy out?
Nilsson because of cost would be the best bet. Then it comes down to O'Sullivan and Moreau. O'Sullivan is making more money but if the salary space isn't needed I prefer to keep him and hope he can play a role on this team.

Both O'Sullivan and Nilsson remind me of J.Jokinen, someone that was pretty much pushed aside but was still young and had potential. I think O'Sullivan will be that player elsewhere.

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Reading between the lines: Nilsson and O'Sullivan are toast. They'll be gone, and we'll save $3.5 million against the cap in doing it.

They might buyout Moreau, but I figure he gets dealt draft day.
I have a hard time believing that Moreau will be dealt, especially given that he is injuried now. Unless of course he is a throw in on some sort of bigger deal.

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I have a hard time believing that Moreau will be dealt, especially given that he is injuried now. Unless of course he is a throw in on some sort of bigger deal.
I think you mean "injured".

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It's true.

I suspect the steps on all three of Moreau, Nilsson and O'Sullivan will be similar.

Attempt to trade.

Waive.

Buy-out or re-entry waivers.

I personally think O'Sullivan and Nilsson will be traded. Atlanta, NYI, Dallas and Florida come to mind as possible destinations.

I don't know why anyone would want Moreau at his dollar amount.

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It's hard to say who will be bought out, as we, or at least I, have no idea what other GM's around the league are looking for. Maybe someone likes Moreau's experience. Maybe a GM likes POS's skills, when he shows them, and his age. Same goes with Nilsson. Doesn't matter how though, I think all 3 days are numbered, buyout or not

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03-08-2010, 04:57 PM
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Yes, for some of these guys buy-outs would probably be cheaper than waivers (Nilsson, O'sullivan).

Moreau they might have to waive. If not, I can see them let him play out the contract. The Oilers are not doing anything next year regardless.

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I have a hard time believing that Moreau will be dealt, especially given that he is injuried now. Unless of course he is a throw in on some sort of bigger deal.
One year left, teams always looking for character bottom sixers - far easier to sell him to another team than Patrick O'Sullivan. I bet he gets dealt for a late pick by the second day of the draft.

This "neck injury" won't keep him from being dealt in the Summer.

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One year left, teams always looking for character bottom sixers - far easier to sell him to another team than Patrick O'Sullivan. I bet he gets dealt for a late pick by the second day of the draft.

This "neck injury" won't keep him from being dealt in the Summer.
Or you could just wait 2 weeks and sign a similar player for less then a mil.

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Or you could just wait 2 weeks and sign a similar player for less then a mil.
It's about perception. If they perceive there to be many players that bring the characteristics that Moreau has, they probably will stay away. I'm not sure they do.

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i understand a horcoff buyout wouldn't happen and also would extend in to about 2019 for a cap hit but what would we be looking at fro cap savings if we did? this is out of curiosity not suggesting its a good idea

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i understand a horcoff buyout wouldn't happen and also would extend in to about 2019 for a cap hit but what would we be looking at fro cap savings if we did? this is out of curiosity not suggesting its a good idea
http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calcul...LCULATE+BUYOUT

We'd see a benefit for about 3 years, then we'd be in trouble.


Plus, in order to buy a player out, you'd have to expose them to waivers. Something not many players would waive their NMCs for.

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They are right. But in a round about way it isn't exactly 1/3.

http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#buyouts
The buyout is 1/3 of the remaining salary. I am not sure what you mean by this.

Buying out Nilsson is a legitimate option if he cannot be traded and the team does not want to continue the experiment. Next year they would actually increase their cap space by $80K if they did buy him out.

POS is far less obvious to me. He really is not that far over paid, especially if you look at his actual salary which will be $2.3M. My guess is that someone would want him, particularly a team on a budget with cap space. But I also think he is worth giving another shot to.

Buying out Moreau is more expensive. Carrying $666K in dead cap space means after you replace him you do not save much next year and you pay a penalty in 2011-2012. Again, I would hope he could be dealt but I suspect that rather than buy him out they may waive him.


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Or you could just wait 2 weeks and sign a similar player for less then a mil.
True. Which is why if they can find a deal for Moreau it'll probably be for someone else's cheaper garbage than a draft pick or anything good.

I hope he gets the John Kordic treatment: dealt for future considerations. The considerations? Don't send him back.

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i understand a horcoff buyout wouldn't happen and also would extend in to about 2019 for a cap hit but what would we be looking at fro cap savings if we did? this is out of curiosity not suggesting its a good idea
Depending on the economics of the league in 3 years the Oil might be able to deal him easily by then. He'll have a cap hit of $5.5 million so any team serious about competing might shy away from him. But those that just want to make the salary cap floor may be interested simply because while he has a cap hit 5.5M in the last two years, he only earns 4M and then 2M. So a team can make the salary cap floor but pay considerably less than the cap.

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POS isn't going to be bought out. It would be completely idiotic and horrific asset management.

Nilsson and Moreau I can understand, POS not so much./

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To buy out Nilsson and O'sullivan its gonna cost you on average about $400,000 per roster spot in Cap hit for the next 2 seasons. Which means who ever you bring in to replace them is going to have to take $400,000 less for the next 2 years.

this is what your cap situation would look like for next season factoring in RFA's new salaries (rough estimations but i think they are about right), new draft choices, and Eberle.

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