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02-26-2010, 11:16 AM
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I have seen a lot of these guys, so I figured I'd chip in my own opinion.

Factors for my rankings:

Potential - Where a guy's ceiling is down the road.
Development Arc - Has the player been improving, stagnating, or regressing?
Proximity to the NHL - How close the player is to making the show.
Health - Ability to stay on the ice.
Intangibles - Captaincy/leadership, nasty streak, etc.
excellent post Dice. I think you have a career in scouting.

But what the heck do I know.

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I think Gregoire is the one player that will surprise.

The other is Petrov. From watching him play, this kid is as good as any junior-age player today, or close to it. Depending on what game he brings to North America and how willing he is to compete and work and skate and how badly he wants it - he could be a real steal. Whether he's a Miro Satan or Marian Hossa - who could ever know at this point!?

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Whether he's a Miro Satan or Marian Hossa - who could ever know at this point!?
Come on RB, those guys are from Slovakia.

We've all seen recently that they're better than the ho-hum Russians. Don't wanna put too much pressure on Petrov's shoulders here.:-)

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Kevin Poulin is NOT an "over-age" player. He's only 19 yo. To be an overage player in the CHL, the player must turn 20 yo before december 31st.

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I like the voting it allowed us to talk in detail about one player at a time.

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Bumped this thread so people can see the opinions of fans to the so called experts.

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I like the voting it allowed us to talk in detail about one player at a time.

Amen. Let's get the voting back. Also leads to more of a concensus as opposed to that junk that HF.com has up as the Isles current prospect rankings.

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Amen. Let's get the voting back. Also leads to more of a concensus as opposed to that junk that HF.com has up as the Isles current prospect rankings.
Yeah, the HF rankings suck.

The 2010 poll will start pretty soon after this year's draft.

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Bumped this thread so people can see the opinions of fans to the so called experts.
HF boards writers are not experts.
Many fans who post on these boards are closer to being experts than they are.

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Yeah, the HF rankings suck.

The 2010 poll will start pretty soon after this year's draft.


Since I'm already pretty excited for the draft, I can't wait.

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i think for people to be writing off corey trivino already is a mistake. The kid was a 1st round talent we got in the 2nd, albeit early, and he was a freshman on a national championship team...his numbers and playing time will suffer playing behind the elder guys on the BC team. This year, he was derailed by injuries a few times, but when i got the odd chance to see him, he is a smart smart player with some good wheels.
it looks like the isles defense in about 2-4 years will be young and well stocked. There are the 2 obvious "studs" back there in Hamonic and De haan, then having a slew of kids who are slotted as mid-bottom pair d-men. Knowing that, would you take Fowler with the 1st rd pick this year? I know its a prospect thread but its a good question. The isles, aside from KO, JT and Bailey, dont have any other real offensive threats coming up through the system. I think a top 6 consisting of Okposo, Bailey, JT, Moulson, Hall/Seguin, nielsen/martin/hunter/petrov??? looks pretty damn good

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Instead of running an entire mid-season prospect poll, I decided to do the annual reposting of the last summers rankings. Don't worry, I'll still be running the 2010 Rankings as always.

So now is the time to discuss: who has moved up? who has moved down? who's still about the same?

Without further adieu: the 2009 Prospect Rankings
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Islanders Prospect List

1. John Tavares (F) - Played for London Knights (OHL) - Selected 1st Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
2. Calvin de Haan (D) - Played for Oshawa Generals (OHL) - Selected 12th Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
3. Kirill Petrov (F) - Played for Kazan Ak-Bars (KHL) - Selected 73rd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
4. Jesse Joensuu (F) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 60th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
5. Aaron Ness (D) - Played for University of Minnesota (WCHA) - Selected 40th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
6. Mikko Koskinen (G) - Played for Blues (FNL) - Selected 31st Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
7. Corey Trivino (F) - Played for Boston University (HE) - Selected 36th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
8. Travis Hamonic (D) - Played for Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL) - Selected 53rd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
9. Robin Figren (F) - Played for Djugarden (SEL) - Selected 70th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
10. Rhett Rakhshani (F) - Played for University of Denver (WCHA) - Selected 100th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
11. Justin DiBenedetto (F) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 175th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
12. David Ullstrom (F) - Played for HV71 (SEL) - Selected 102nd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
13. Jack Hillen (D) - Played for New York Islanders (NHL) - Undrafted, Free Agent Signing
14. Matt Martin (F) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 148th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
15. Mark Katic (D) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 62nd Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
16. Jason Gregoire (F) - Played for University of North Dakota (WCHA) - Selected 76th Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
17. Casey Cizikas (F) - Played for Mississauga St. Michaels Majors (OHL) - Selected 92nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
18. Jyri Niemi (D) - Played for Saskatoon Blades (WHL) - Selected 72nd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
19. Trevor Smith (F) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Undrafted, Free Agent Signing
20. Anders Nilsson (G) - Played for Lulea U20 (SuperElite) - Selected 62nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
21. Blake Kessel (D) - Played for University of New Hampshire (HE) - Selected 166th Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
22. Andrew MacDonald (D) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 160th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
23. David Toews (F) - Played for University of North Dakota (WCHA) - Selected 66th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
24. Matt Donovan (D) - Played for Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) - Selected 96th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
25. Anders Lee (F) - Played for Edina (HS) - Selected 152nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft

Honorable Mention

Dustin Kohn (D) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 46th Overall, 2005 NHL Entry Draft
Kevin Poulin (G) - Played for Victoriaville Tigers (QMJHL) - Selected 126th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
Anton Klementyev (D) - Played for Lokomotiv Yaroslavl-2 (Rus-3) - Selected 122nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
Stefan Ridderwall (G) - Played for Djugarden (SEL) - Selected 173rd Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
Jared Spurgeon (D) - Played for Spokane Chiefs - Selected 156th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft

Prospect (for the purposes of this poll): (1) Must be under 25 years old, (2) Has played 50 career NHL games or less, (3) Has played no more than 41 games in one single NHL season

2008-2009 Graduates: Kyle Okposo (F), Josh Bailey (F), Frans Nielsen (F)
2007-2008 Graduates: Sean Bergenheim (F), Jeff Tambellini (F), Blake Comeau (F)
2006-2007 Graduates: Bruno Gervais (D)
2005-2006 Graduates: Chris Campoli (D), Robert Nilsson (F)

Previous Prospect Polls

2005 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-19 (run by former moderator NYIsles1)
2006 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-20 (run by sketchykg)
2007 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-25
2008 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-25

Ness, Figren, & Trivino down.

Hamonic, Martin, Macdonald, Hillen, Gregoire, Kessel, Donovan all skyrocket upwards.

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03-16-2010, 11:00 AM
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i think for people to be writing off corey trivino already is a mistake.
Other than maybe Kessel, I think all of our college kids will and should go the Rakhshani route.

Particularly Trivino and Ness have been somewhat disappointing thus far (although Trivino's freshman year was nothing to be disappointed about). Both are smaller offensive guys who have had trouble excelling at the college level, where many undrafted players - much less 2nd round pick - have experienced much more success in their development, even at this stage.

Of course, none of these college guys should be written off and no-one needs to be signed until they leave school after at least 2 seasons.

The only question is if they'd not be better served going to juniors? In Ness' case, the answer may be yes.

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There are the 2 obvious "studs" back there in Hamonic and De haan, then having a slew of kids who are slotted as mid-bottom pair d-men. Knowing that, would you take Fowler with the 1st rd pick this year?
I'd say it like this: unless Snowkowski intends to play the trade game because they've got a thing about someone midranked ( la Bailey in '08), I'd bet they're currently ranking the guys as follows:
1 Seguin F
2 Hall F
3 Fowler D
4 Gudbranson D
5 Gormley D
6 Niederreiter F

I'll also say this, both Boston and Atlanta should have two picks between 7-22 this summer. I can very easily see this Islander team looking to swap its first and a 2nd in exchange for BOS/ATL's two first rounders. The last two drafts have given me that feeling that our scouts pick who they want and do what's necessary to get that guy - and the guy's they want aren't always in the order you'll see posted by the Hockey News, CSS, Woodlief, etc.

Granlund and Merrill?
Tarasenko and Forbert?

Me thinks they'd want some combo like that more than just one of any player other than Hall/Seguin.

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I'd say it like this: unless Snowkowski intends to play the trade game because they've got a thing about someone midranked ( la Bailey in '08), I'd bet they're currently ranking the guys as follows:
1 Seguin F
2 Hall F
3 Fowler D
4 Gudbranson D
5 Gormley D
6 Niederreiter F

I'll also say this, both Boston and Atlanta should have two picks between 7-22 this summer. I can very easily see this Islander team looking to swap its first and a 2nd in exchange for BOS/ATL's two first rounders. The last two drafts have given me that feeling that our scouts pick who they want and do what's necessary to get that guy - and the guy's they want aren't always in the order you'll see posted by the Hockey News, CSS, Woodlief, etc.

Granlund and Merrill?
Tarasenko and Forbert?

Me thinks they'd want some combo like that more than just one of any player other than Hall/Seguin.
Those rankings look about accurate.

However, I don't foresee them trading down from the top 8 unless they land up somewhere else in the top 8. Also, I've yet to see Connolly, Sheahan, Forbort, or Merrill. That being said, the value on trading down is not very good. The bottom part of this draft's first round is really not that good unless some people make a big jump in draft stock.

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besides the free education (in many cases) the best part of playing college hockey is that it gives players time to mature physically and mentally. I'm of the opinion that most (if not all, Kyle Okposo) players should finish college and then move to the NHL.

Unless you're an elite talent (Paul Kariya), most players are better off in college hockey through their senior year. I'm glad Rakhshani went back and I hope Trivino and Gregoire also stay in school, both for the education AND the hockey.

Ness seems to be struggling in Minnesota, who knows how much of it is HIM or the program. Or is he really playing well, just not getting points (for those who's seen him play).

If the hockey is suffering because of whatever "program" then obviously each case should be evaluated accordingly. In general though - stay in school!

One thing about Trivino, his numbers are terrible but he's already won a National Championship (in a limited role) and his coach loves him. He seems to do a lot of things very well and that's something that you want to hear. He was drafted where he was because he has potential. I wouldn't write him off.

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Bump this up one more time.

The 2010 Prospect Rankings will start MONDAY.

Take a good look at this list, because this year's list is going to be better. Remarkable.

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Islanders Prospect List

1. Nino Niederreiter
2. Travis Hamonic
3. Calvin de Haan
4. Kirill Kabanov
5. Kirill Petrov
6. Mikko Koskinen
7. Brock Nelson
8. Jesse Joensuu
9. Casey Cizikas
10. Kevin Poulin

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Islanders Prospect List

1. Nino Niederreiter
2. Travis Hamonic
3. Calvin de Haan
4. Kirill Kabanov
5. Kirill Petrov
6. Mikko Koskinen
7. Brock Nelson
8. Jesse Joensuu
9. Casey Cizikas
10. Kevin Poulin
I definitely agree with that list, although I'd rank Martin over Cizikas.

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Islanders Prospect List

1. Nino Niederreiter
2. Travis Hamonic
3. Calvin de Haan
4. Kirill Kabanov
5. Kirill Petrov
6. Mikko Koskinen
7. Brock Nelson
8. Jesse Joensuu
9. Casey Cizikas
10. Kevin Poulin
I will write up a detailed list like the one I made above very soon.

When I come out with the list, I will still have Hamonic #1 and Petrov #2. This means no disrespect to Niederreiter and Kabanov, but the other two are not only closer to the NHL, but as of now, they're also better packages. Don't underestimate what we have in Hamonic and Petrov.

If the Isles get their **** together with the D by July 8, they'll be a serious team this year. In two or three years? Sheesh.

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hamonic
el nino
petrov
kabanov
dehann
nelson
koskinen
lee
joensuu
martin

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Hamonic
DeHaan
El Nino
Donovan
Kabunov
Poulin
Martin
Petrov
Cizikas
Nelson
Lee
Gregiore
Joensuu
Mikko Koskinen
Nillson
Rhakashani
Katic
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1- D Hamonic 6'2 215 R
2- D DeHaan 6'0 180 L
3- RW Petrov 6'3 198 L
4- LW Kabanov 6'3 176 R
5- LW Nieterrrieter 6'2 202 L
6- G Poulin 6'2 210
7- G Koskinen 6'5 187
8- C Nelson 6'3 205 L
9- C Lee 6'2 216 L
10-LW Martin 6'2 192 L
11-D Donovan 6'0 190 L
12-C Cizikas 5'10 190 L
13-G Nilsson 6'5 220
14-C Ullstrom 6'3 198 L
15-LW Gregoire 5'11 196 L
16-LW Joennsu 6'4 209 L
17-D Kessel 6'2 210 R
18-RW Rakhshani 5'10 180 R
19-RW Day 6'0 195 R
20-D Kohn 6'1 202 L

Graduated
Tavares
Comeau
McDonald
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Islanders Prospect List

1. Nino Niederreiter
2. Travis Hamonic
3. Calvin de Haan
4. Kirill Kabanov
5. Kirill Petrov
6. Mikko Koskinen
7. Brock Nelson
8. Jesse Joensuu
9. Casey Cizikas
10. Kevin Poulin
yup.

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Islanders Prospect List

1. Nino Niederreiter
2. Travis Hamonic
3. Calvin de Haan
4. Kirill Kabanov
5. Kirill Petrov
6. Mikko Koskinen
7. Brock Nelson
8. Jesse Joensuu
9. Casey Cizikas
10. Kevin Poulin
Pretty much what'd I say, although I'd put Gregoire in there, there's just something I like about him.

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Don't know the order, but based on talent and ability, these are the ten most important prospects we have right now:

Niederreiter, Hamonic, de Haan, Petrov, Kabanov, Donovan, Lee, Koskinen, Kessel, Martin.

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