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03-17-2010, 06:01 PM
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Sorry, I meant $$ figures. I know it's based on ranges as to when they were drafted, perhaps on the year they were drafted as well, so it should be fairly straight forward so if anyone knows I'd love to find out.
Max compensation for a 2009 draftee is $900,000. Then whatever for bonuses.

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Someone mentioned something about having Schroeder signing a PTO then ELC? What does his him signing an ELC and no PTO do? What are the requirements for him to use up a year of his ELC?


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03-17-2010, 06:12 PM
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Great news. So when does he get his first game with the Moose?
According to a report in a Winnipeg newspaper he is to be in Vancouver tomorrow for a press conference and it is unknown when he will be available to the Moose.
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Schroeder is expected to be assigned to the Moose but will be in Vancouver for a press conference Thursday, so it is not yet known if he’ll be available for this weekend’s games against the Grand Rapids Griffins.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/sports/ho.../13262561.html

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03-17-2010, 06:56 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the best move myself as an armchair GM, he does have some pretty nice offensive skills right now, but it's his strength and defensive skills that the NCAA was good for, I'm not the Canucks however, and if they think it's a good move then I'm onboard until they prove otherwise.

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03-17-2010, 06:59 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the best move myself as an armchair GM, he does have some pretty nice offensive skills right now, but it's his strength and defensive skills that the NCAA was good for, I'm not the Canucks however, and if they think it's a good move then I'm onboard until they prove otherwise.
you would rather have him rot in minny?

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03-17-2010, 07:05 PM
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I think this is letting the player off the hook, as if his environment passively forced a bad year on him. He was supposed to be the leader and best player on Minnesota, and they crapped the bed this year. What about the WJs, where he was good, but not great? Whose fault was that?

There are some character issues surrounding Jordan (hence why he slipped to us in the first place) and it really is up to him to get his act together and prove that he can be a good pro.
This.

And I hope he can the same in Manitoba as that team - now without Grabner - doesn't have THAT many other offensive options either aside from Shirokov and Dallas' prospect Rosa. I mean Mike Keane - 43 years old - still gets lots of ice time for cripes sakes.

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you would rather have him rot in minny?
That's just your opinion and it's debatable.


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Seems quite a bit more than something out of nothing. There have been articles published speculating on the state of the Canucks relationship with Hodgson.

You may choose to ignore the issue and dismiss it but others certainly have not.
Others? You mean the rumour mongers and spin doctors of fluff pieces in the Province and Sun? Controversy sells right, even if it's fabricated.

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03-17-2010, 07:27 PM
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Seems quite a bit more than something out of nothing. There have been articles published speculating on the state of the Canucks relationship with Hodgson.

You may choose to ignore the issue and dismiss it but others certainly have not.
There have also been articles published speculating that Aliens are controlling White House.

You may choose to ignore the issue and dismiss it but others certainly have not.



There have also been articles published speculating that tinfoil hats are effective at deterring mind controlling/reading effects.

You may choose to take the issue seriously but others certainly have not.

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03-17-2010, 07:28 PM
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Max compensation for a 2009 draftee is $900,000. Then whatever for bonuses.

Someone mentioned something about having Schroeder signing a PTO then ELC? What does his him signing an ELC and no PTO do? What are the requirements for him to use up a year of his ELC?
If a player is 18 or 19 and plays ten NHL games (regular season and play-offs) then he burns a year off his ELC. It does not apply to AHL games.

If he is 20 years of age it relates to years of "professional experience" which includes the NHL and AHL.
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Then you have to consider salary arbitration eligibility as well which uses the same formula.
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SPC Signing Age.....Minimum Level of Professional Experience Required to be Eligible for Salary Arbitration 
18-20.............................4 years professional experience 
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As Schroeder's birthdate is 29 Sept 1990 (he is currently 19) then it appears that since he will turn 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signed his first SPC, if he plays 10 or more games with the Moose (or the Canucks) he will burn a year off his ELC and year off his arbitration ineligibility.


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03-17-2010, 08:32 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the best move myself as an armchair GM, he does have some pretty nice offensive skills right now, but it's his strength and defensive skills that the NCAA was good for, I'm not the Canucks however, and if they think it's a good move then I'm onboard until they prove otherwise.
If you recall before the draft and all the talk afterwards, Schroeder has proven that his strength is top of his draft class at the Combine. He is not going to develop his strength any more in the WCHA. If anything, he will develop better defensive skills in the AHL as the play is much more similar to NHL than the WCHA. Not only does he get a chance to adjust to a smaller rink, but he will also adjust to the MUCH longer schedule if he plays there next season.

I fail to see any negatives about this move.

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If you recall before the draft and all the talk afterwards, Schroeder has proven that his strength is top of his draft class at the Combine. He is not going to develop his strength any more in the WCHA. If anything, he will develop better defensive skills in the AHL as the play is much more similar to NHL than the WCHA. Not only does he get a chance to adjust to a smaller rink, but he will also adjust to the MUCH longer schedule if he plays there next season.

I fail to see any negatives about this move.
That and the MN program has been garbage ever since the Canucks had a prospect on them. They were 1st 1st and 3rd in the WCHA in the years before White, then have gone 5th, 7th and 7th in the WCHA with White and Schroeder.

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Well if we do find out that it was the program and not the player, then I'll definately be looking more intently at what White does from here on in. Still elated that trade was made by Gillis. Ehrhoff has been stellar. But I'd be a lot more curious if Shroeder is suddenly able to elevate his game for the Moose.

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03-17-2010, 09:51 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the best move myself as an armchair GM, he does have some pretty nice offensive skills right now, but it's his strength and defensive skills that the NCAA was good for, I'm not the Canucks however, and if they think it's a good move then I'm onboard until they prove otherwise.
He's thicker than Raymond was when he joined the Moose. Raymond was fairly successful with the Moose too.

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03-17-2010, 10:18 PM
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Has he put on any size since last season?

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Felt for awhile that Schroeder needed to move out of the NCAA. At present, plays with little contact and basically tries to find or create space. On the big surface that game and be effective but in the NHL you've got to be able to constantly compete one on one for the puck and position. I think it would have been far better for Schroeder to have battled in Junior hockey this year . It will be a major and difficult transition moving on to the AHL. From what I have seen Schroeder will have up his compete level a lot.

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Felt for awhile that Schroeder needed to move out of the NCAA. At present, plays with little contact and basically tries to find or create space. On the big surface that game and be effective but in the NHL you've got to be able to constantly compete one on one for the puck and position. I think it would have been far better for Schroeder to have battled in Junior hockey this year . It will be a major and difficult transition moving on to the AHL. From what I have seen Schroeder will have up his compete level a lot.
One of the main reasons the Nucks wanted Jordan to join the Silvertips is because Craig Hartsburg is the coach in Everett. Same with Connaughton with Hay and the Giants. Nucks like the coaching that the players would/have gotten with Hay and Hartsburg.

I think Jordan should have left Minnesota. Program has not done well lately. Connaughton has done great with the Giants this year. Too bad Schroeder didn't join him in the WHL.

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According to a report in a Winnipeg newspaper he is to be in Vancouver tomorrow for a press conference and it is unknown when he will be available to the Moose.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/sports/ho.../13262561.html
Maybe never? Sammy's out, and Jordan's a center with a RH shot who can play RW. (Yes I'm aware they recalled Grabner, just sayin'...)

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Will be very interesting to see how jordan plays against the big boys, although Div.1 hockey is no joke.

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Will be very interesting to see how jordan plays against the big boys, although Div.1 hockey is no joke.
That's prettymuch how I feel as well, which is I'm not going to predict how well he does and instead just wait and see.

From what I've heard, gopher fans were disappointed in him this year. They said his heart wasn't in it, his compete wasn't there, etc. etc.

That could be the case, or it could simply be a bad team, bad organization and the easiest person to single out is the player whose had success in the past, success in international tournaments, etc.

Kind of reminds me of Iginla and the Flames to be honest.

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From what I've heard, gopher fans were disappointed in him this year. They said his heart wasn't in it, his compete wasn't there, etc. etc.
Yes, I've heard this, but I'm willing to give him a pass:

I think Gillis went hard in conversation to turn pro. Obviously turning Pro, making money, etc is a tempting offer for any player, and when things at UMinn started going south, perhaps Schroeder started longing for the Pros and maybe regretting the decision to stay at university a little.

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I think coaching/development on a NHL/AHL team compared to a NCAA team is night and day.

They will goto work on this kid pretty quick and we'll see some nice results when he adjusts to the pro game.


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I think coaching/development on a NHL/AHL team compared to a NCAA team is light and day.

They will goto work on this kid pretty quick and we'll see some nice results when he adjusts to the pro game.

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Do the moose got any big physical skilled players to play with Schroeder?

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Do the moose got any big physical skilled players to play with Schroeder?
Schroeder doesn't need to be protected. He's not big, but he doesn't get knocked around like a rag doll every shift.

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