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03-19-2010, 08:50 PM
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Yeah, we sure do need the guy who had us take Korpikoski directly in front of Wolski and Zajac. His genius will be missed.

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Don't you ever have anything good to say about anyone?

Sheesh man the sun is out lighten up. Maloney did a good job for the Isles, Rangers and now the Yotes. I think he's shown he can run a team and do it well.
What? LOL. I say good things about those who deserve to have good things said about them. I said Don Maloney is a slightly above average GM, and I stand by that.

He made some awful decisions at the draft table with the Rangers, and put a bunch of aging or recuperating semistars around Jaromir Jagr, who was acquired in one of the best trades of all time because the Rangers were basically the only team that was going to take him. Take a look at how Martin Straka and Michael Nylander did when they weren't playing with Jagr in the years leading up to their Ranger days, or directly after in the case of Nylander.

He made one of the worst trades of all-time when he was running the Islanders, Pierre Turgeon for Kirk Muller. He did a fairly decent job otherwise, but that trade totally ****ed them over. Turgeon was their franchise.

And, as I already pointed out, the biggest part of his transformation of the Coyotes is a guy he got off of waivers because his team had horrendous goaltending and was that low in the standings. I'm not sure he deserves much applause for a no-brainer move like that. He's done a decent job since then, considering that Bryzgalov is the big part of their rejuvenation, while their best skater, Doan was there long before Maloney came.

Again, decent. I like the Wolski deal. Very good trade for them.

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03-19-2010, 09:36 PM
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What? LOL. I say good things about those who deserve to have good things said about them. I said Don Maloney is a slightly above average GM, and I stand by that.

He made some awful decisions at the draft table with the Rangers, and put a bunch of aging or recuperating semistars around Jaromir Jagr, who was acquired in one of the best trades of all time because the Rangers were basically the only team that was going to take him. Take a look at how Martin Straka and Michael Nylander did when they weren't playing with Jagr in the years leading up to their Ranger days, or directly after in the case of Nylander.

He made one of the worst trades of all-time when he was running the Islanders, Pierre Turgeon for Kirk Muller. He did a fairly decent job otherwise, but that trade totally ****ed them over. Turgeon was their franchise.

And, as I already pointed out, the biggest part of his transformation of the Coyotes is a guy he got off of waivers because his team had horrendous goaltending and was that low in the standings. I'm not sure he deserves much applause for a no-brainer move like that. He's done a decent job since then, considering that Bryzgalov is the big part of their rejuvenation, while their best skater, Doan was there long before Maloney came.

Again, decent. I like the Wolski deal. Very good trade for them.
agreed, and again, he lucked out big time with TGO leaving and tippett being available.

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03-19-2010, 10:20 PM
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He aquired Pucha, Dawes, and kalinin from us for Derek Morris. Pruchs is a player, Dawes can be as well. He did lose Dawes. Then he trades a CONDITIONAL DRAFT PICK for Derek Morris this season. He has Morris back for pretty much nothing. This is just one example.
I don't see how this is a clear win for the Coyotes, or some great move that Maloney can brag about. It's not as if Prucha, Dawes, and Kalinin are franchise players or something. We got rid of players we probably wouldn't have re-signed in the off-season anyway for a filler on defense for the playoffs.

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My issue with saying Maloney is a great GM is that one good regular season by the Coyotes and no other arguments are really being presented other than the fact he made a trade for Prucha, Dawes, and Kalinin.

I need more substance than that if I'm going to say "This guy's to thank for the Coyotes success I wish we had him still!" but to each his own.

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Anyone see Korpedo's ridiculous goal last night?
Nope, was too busy trying to see what Lisin was doing in the press box during the game.

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Nope, was too busy trying to see what Lisin was doing in the press box during the game.
B-bbb--b-b-b-b-bb-ut LISIN HAS SPEED!!!! Seriously, hes one of the most electrifying players in pressboxes around the league right now.

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Maloney was the benefit of a perfect GM situation. A team going into the top draft positions in his first few years as GM. So that has something to do with it. So does luck. So does hard work. I like a lot of the little moves hes made by acquiring more draft picks and getting some quality players in there.

With the previous high picks before he came paired with those he had and veterans he wanted to toss he had some assets to move to bring in some players he wanted. Its obvious he has a PLAN going on. There is a formulated thought process going on in Phoenix unlike some certain cities where half assed patchwork is done each year to satisfy the cap ceiling.

All in all i think it would be silly to call him overrated or lucky, whens hes made a lot of moves that have paid off in the standings. Every time you turn around they make another solid deal, though i think Inferno recognizes that this year could be a flash in the pan, and thats exactly why Maloney pushed the envelope and made some trades to try and catch some fire in bottle.

Maloney not only has to form a team, hes got to generate more fan interest in a financial hell as well.
He's managed to put a pretty damn competitive young team together and stay 13 million under the cap. Thats nothing to shake a stick at... Is he underrated? I wouldnt say so, but i'd say hes done a very good job. The success to date speaks for itself.

He did step in **** with Tippet though. That always helps. But hey getting the bounces is always part of it, see Matteau.

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03-20-2010, 12:56 AM
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B-bbb--b-b-b-b-bb-ut LISIN HAS SPEED!!!! Seriously, hes one of the most electrifying players in pressboxes around the league right now.
And on that note we could really use Korpikoski's 4 G, 4 A and -10 right now. He would definitely give us that push we need into the 8th seed.

I like Korpikoski more than Lisin but lets not act like he does this every game. Lisin is still 23, maybe he'll come around. He did score 13 goals in 48 games for the Coyotes in his first year of NHL action.

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03-20-2010, 01:04 AM
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Let's say for a moment that our wildest fantasy comes true and Dolan fires Sather.

Can Dolan be trusted to hire the next GM? Obviously not, as he has said multiple times that he knows nothing about hockey. Who would he turn to? Who would advise him?

The more likely scenario is that Sather, at some point in the next quarter century, decides to step down of his own volition. Dolan than asks Sather who he wants to be the next GM.

Obvious answer is Mess or Gretz. Mess is an unknown quantity at this point, and I'm not comfortable with it. Gretz is not a good choice. Another old Oiler from somewhere?

Maybe Dolan asks Islander management for help and they decide to make Henrik GM (only kidding).

Bottom line here is that the management of the team on all levels is not conducive to assembling a long term successful team. Dolan is not going anyway and likely Sather is not either. Why should he? He's got the perfect life.

Does anybody know whether he was even in the building last night? When was the last time he was seen in NYC?
Sather is at many home games. Not all, but most. He's usually in the hallway hear the Rangers locker room after games. Obviously, he stays out of view of fans, and even when media does see him, he doesn't ever talk to us.

He was near the locker room Tuesday, as an example.

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03-20-2010, 02:01 AM
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I don't see how this is a clear win for the Coyotes, or some great move that Maloney can brag about. It's not as if Prucha, Dawes, and Kalinin are franchise players or something. We got rid of players we probably wouldn't have re-signed in the off-season anyway for a filler on defense for the playoffs.
I understand that. My point is his asset managing, not whether or not he got a clear win in that situation. What we gave up for Morris last season was much more than what he (Maloney) gave up @ this deadline to bring him back to PHO.

This isn't about what players were involved. Not many of them are special. However, Prucha is very servicable and can net around 20...and Morris hasn't changed much since last season when we overpayed some to get him...when comparing to what it took to get him this time around.

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If the Jessiman drafting is the "issue" people have with Maloney, then you are being short sighted on the issue. Jessiman was taken 12 th overall and Parise (among others) was left on the table by the Rangers and 11 other teams.

What everyone seems to forget is that Jessiman ruptured his deltoid ligament in his ankle. Maloney could not have forseen that. This injury basically took away any hope Jessiman had of making it to the NHL.

I thought Donny did a great job for the Rangers and is doing a great job in Phoenix. I knew when he walked out the door it would only be a matter of time before Tom would follow him out. Too bad Tom had to be fired. He and Donny were a good team. I wouldn't mind seeing them both back again.

Renney hockey may have been boring but at least it wasn't the disorganized mess we've witness out there this season. Renney took the players Sather gave him and put up a winning record by demanding defense first. Tortorella took the players he was given and let them run. When the other teams started to catch up after the first ten games of the season, he had and has no plan B.

Since I doubt either Donny or Renney will return to the Rangers in my lifetime, I would like to see Sather step down and Messier take his place. Why prolong the inevitable?If he falls on his face, I rather get that over with sooner rather then later. The sooner the fan base and Dolan get the Messier/94 Cup legacy out of their system, the sooner the franchise will be able to move forward. Who knows Messier do okay but I'm not holding my breath.

Lastly, if the Rangers are going to scrape the bottom of the rankings for the next four years, they should do the right thing and trade Lundqvist to a contender. He's too good to languish his career here on a rebuilding team.
that's a good point. people don't make a stink about Cherneski because his injury put an end to his career right away. If that happened to Jessimen, we would just pine about what he could have been instead of what he fail to become. Does NY have the lousiest 1st round record/luck ever? If it isn't a donut eating bust like Brendl, we get freak weight lifting injuries (Blackburn), knees (Cherneski), medical scandal/tragedy (Cherepanov), more injuries (Jessimen?). Man, I still hate that Lisin/Korpikoski trade. Lisin on the 3rd or 4th line just doesn't make sense and never will.

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Maloney is a good GM. He is not a great GM. His drafting has been spotty -- his history with the Rangers is well known and so far he hasn't proved anything at the draft table. Much like Sather, he is a better trader that drafter. Probably the best thing Maloney did was troll the bargain aisle in free agency rather than handing out Reddesque type deals. The Coyotes have gotten great value out of Adrian Aucoin ($2.25MM), Taylor Pyatt ($600K) and Vern Fiddler ($1.1MM) among others.

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wow. Coyotes come back and beat Chicago.

They're only a couple points out of the top spot in the west lol

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On a different note, did anyone read this thread title and initially think Dave Maloney was leaving MSG? For a split second I got so worried that my favorite analyst was leaving but then, PHEW!

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If the Jessiman drafting is the "issue" people have with Maloney, then you are being short sighted on the issue. Jessiman was taken 12 th overall and Parise (among others) was left on the table by the Rangers and 11 other teams.

What everyone seems to forget is that Jessiman ruptured his deltoid ligament in his ankle. Maloney could not have forseen that. This injury basically took away any hope Jessiman had of making it to the NHL.

I thought Donny did a great job for the Rangers and is doing a great job in Phoenix. I knew when he walked out the door it would only be a matter of time before Tom would follow him out. Too bad Tom had to be fired. He and Donny were a good team. I wouldn't mind seeing them both back again.

Renney hockey may have been boring but at least it wasn't the disorganized mess we've witness out there this season. Renney took the players Sather gave him and put up a winning record by demanding defense first. Tortorella took the players he was given and let them run. When the other teams started to catch up after the first ten games of the season, he had and has no plan B.

Since I doubt either Donny or Renney will return to the Rangers in my lifetime, I would like to see Sather step down and Messier take his place. Why prolong the inevitable?If he falls on his face, I rather get that over with sooner rather then later. The sooner the fan base and Dolan get the Messier/94 Cup legacy out of their system, the sooner the franchise will be able to move forward. Who knows Messier do okay but I'm not holding my breath.

Lastly, if the Rangers are going to scrape the bottom of the rankings for the next four years, they should do the right thing and trade Lundqvist to a contender. He's too good to languish his career here on a rebuilding team.

It's really an odd notion when you really think about it. Good play earns you money, you're not entitled to championships.

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The yotes take Detroit in the 1st game


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Maloney named gm of the year.

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Maloney is a good general manager who had a great year. Highlight was hiring Dave Tippett, perhaps the best coach in the NHL. (And those of you who follow me know I've been saying that for years) Maloney is also good at working the bargain aisle during free agency (not a bad strategy) and he trades very well. Want to see a list of one sided trades? Look at what the Coyotes have done in the last 18 months.

On the other hand, he's not proven himself at the draft table. His record with the Rangers was very spotty. Just imagine what that list of 1st rounders on his watch would look like if he hadn't traded up for Mark Stall and took Alex Bourett as the Rangers had planned. So far he's picked Turris, Boedker & Ekman-Larsson with Top 10picks. None have made an impact yet and there's real questions whether Turris will ever be an impact player.

Part of Maloney's appeal is that he is affable and very fan friendly. He and I (as well as numerous other posters here) have traded e-mail with him on a regular basis. He will stop and talk hockey anytime. That in and of itself would be a refreshing change in New York.

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We can be bitter that he left and that we're stuck with Glen but god knows this guy deserved a shot at developing a team, and I'm glad he's been so successful in the desert.

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Here's a good read on what Maloney did in Phoenix this year.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/mobil...tml?id=3109508

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I'm sorry, but one Cinderella season doesn not make for an annual contender.

Lets see them do next year what they did this year and then we can look at them in a different light in terms of status.

I'm not a believer, not at all.

There's more questions with that team than there are answers and until those questions are answered, I cannot be a believer.

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Lets wait until he's in charge of their draft to pass judgement mmkay?

I think the real success came from losing Gretzky as a coach, as opposed to gaining Maloney as a GM.

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