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03-19-2010, 05:47 PM
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1994 Team

Hey Guys,

I was wondering if you guys could help me with Line Combos and Stats of the Rangers 1994 Team. The is for my own personal NHL 10 Roster.

If anyone can contribute, please post whatever you can.

Here are some of the things I need:

Line Combinations
Player Stats (Overall)--- A.K.A. Overall number in NHL 10. (Ex. Gaborik is a 90 overall.)
Player Type (Grinder, Dangler, Tough Guy, etc.)

Thanks.


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03-19-2010, 07:56 PM
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Until Jovalev was moved to Messier's right wing for the last two hames against the Debbies and then the Finals, the lines were:


Graves - Messier - Anderson
Matteau - Kovalev - Larmer
Tikkanen - MacTavish - Noonan
Gilbert - Nemchinov - Kocur (or sometimes Kypreos)

At the end, the lines were:

Graves - Messier - Kovalev
Matteau - Tikkanen - Larmer
Gilbert - MacTavish - Noonan
Kocur - Nemchinov - Anderson

Defense remained steady:

Leetch - Beukeboom
Zubov - Lowe
Rotation of 2 of 3: Wells, Karpovtsev and Lidster.

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A link to the stats that year.

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/atrseaso...994&gameType=2

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I actually went ahead and quickly adjusted the Rangers 1993-1994 statistics to present day values. The math was done by simply multiplying each statistic by (1994 GPG / 2009 GPG).

1994 Goals Per Game = 6.48
2009 Goals Per Game = 5.69

Here are our Stanley Cup winning regular season statistics in 2009 numbers:

Player GP G A P

Zubov, Sergei 78 11 68 78
Messier, Mark 76 23 51 74
Graves, Adam 82 46 24 69
Leetch, Brian 82 20 49 69
Larmer, Steve 68 18 34 53
Kovalev, Alexei 76 20 29 49
Tikkanen, Esa 82 19 28 47
Gartner, Mike 71 25 21 46
Nemchinov, Sergei 76 19 24 43
Amonte, Tony 72 14 19 33
Lowe, Kevin 71 4 12 17
Karpovtsev, Alexander 67 3 13 16
Beukeboom, Jeff 68 7 7 14
Gilbert, Greg 76 4 10 13
Hudson, Mike 48 4 6 10
Wells, Jay 79 2 6 8
Kypreos, Nick 46 3 4 7
Olczyk, Eddie 37 3 4 7
Matteau, Stephane 12 4 3 6
Noonan, Brian 12 4 2 5
Anderson, Glenn 12 4 2 5
MacTavish, Craig 12 4 2 5
Turcotte, Darren 13 2 4 5
Kocur, Joey 71 2 1 3
Patrick, James 6 0 3 3
Hartman, Mike 35 1 1 2
Andersson, Peter 8 1 1 2
Lidster, Doug 34 0 2 2
Norstrom, Mattias 9 0 2 2
Messier, Joby 4 0 2 2
Bourque, Phil 16 0 1 1
Lacroix, Daniel 4 0 0 0
Hiller, Jim 2 0 0 0
Marchant, Todd 1 0 0 0

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03-20-2010, 09:18 AM
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I actually went ahead and quickly adjusted the Rangers 1993-1994 statistics to present day values. The math was done by simply multiplying each statistic by (1994 GPG / 2009 GPG).

1994 Goals Per Game = 6.48
2009 Goals Per Game = 5.69

Here are our Stanley Cup winning regular season statistics in 2009 numbers:

Player GP G A P

Zubov, Sergei 78 11 68 78
Messier, Mark 76 23 51 74
Graves, Adam 82 46 24 69
Leetch, Brian 82 20 49 69
Larmer, Steve 68 18 34 53
Kovalev, Alexei 76 20 29 49
Tikkanen, Esa 82 19 28 47
Gartner, Mike 71 25 21 46
Nemchinov, Sergei 76 19 24 43
Amonte, Tony 72 14 19 33
Lowe, Kevin 71 4 12 17
Karpovtsev, Alexander 67 3 13 16
Beukeboom, Jeff 68 7 7 14
Gilbert, Greg 76 4 10 13
Hudson, Mike 48 4 6 10
Wells, Jay 79 2 6 8
Kypreos, Nick 46 3 4 7
Olczyk, Eddie 37 3 4 7
Matteau, Stephane 12 4 3 6
Noonan, Brian 12 4 2 5
Anderson, Glenn 12 4 2 5
MacTavish, Craig 12 4 2 5
Turcotte, Darren 13 2 4 5
Kocur, Joey 71 2 1 3
Patrick, James 6 0 3 3
Hartman, Mike 35 1 1 2
Andersson, Peter 8 1 1 2
Lidster, Doug 34 0 2 2
Norstrom, Mattias 9 0 2 2
Messier, Joby 4 0 2 2
Bourque, Phil 16 0 1 1
Lacroix, Daniel 4 0 0 0
Hiller, Jim 2 0 0 0
Marchant, Todd 1 0 0 0
Wow... Thanks a lot. Would you have any estimation of what their overall number would be in NHL 10, though? Ex. Gaborik is a 90 overall. Thanks.

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03-20-2010, 09:20 AM
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Ahh, memories.

Talk about balanced scoring: 9 players with 40+ points, no one with > 1 point per game, and our leading scorer a defenseman.

Hoo - rah.

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Fantastic series. The Canucks really shocked the New York media who essentially wrote them off before the first game was even played.

Game 7 was one of the biggest let-downs of my life. For the first two periods I was stuck in a crew boat off the northern tip of Vancouver Island. When we finally pulled into a small port and hit a bar, the ancient projector TV there would run for 5 minutes, overheat, and then it would shut down for the next 5 minutes. It was the most sadistic kind of torture I can imagine.

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Fantastic series. The Canucks really shocked the New York media who essentially wrote them off before the first game was even played.

Game 7 was one of the biggest let-downs of my life. For the first two periods I was stuck in a crew boat off the northern tip of Vancouver Island. When we finally pulled into a small port and hit a bar, the ancient projector TV there would run for 5 minutes, overheat, and then it would shut down for the next 5 minutes. It was the most sadistic kind of torture I can imagine.
Gotta love projection TVs

Hey, since you're here, would you mind giving me the Vancouver Canucks lines from 1994? And some overall numbers for NHL 10, player types, etc.? Thanks.

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Should I create a thread in the Devils board to see their line combos, or should I have a mod move it to the Devils board or Main board?

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Gotta love projection TVs

Hey, since you're here, would you mind giving me the Vancouver Canucks lines from 1994? And some overall numbers for NHL 10, player types, etc.? Thanks.
Here's the roster, but I honestly can't remember the line combos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_St...couver_Canucks

I did find this though and it helps a little... from game 7 I believe.

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A quick check of the game tape showed that the Canucks started their checking line that night. John McIntyre took the opening faceoff with Shawn Antoski on his left side and Tim Hunter on the right. Jeff Brown and Bret Hedican started on defense and Kirk McLean started in net as he did every other game that Spring.
I also seem to remember that Courtnall and Ronning were on a line together. As for NHL 10, I don't follow it. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I'll see if I can dig up a little more info.

edit: I have no idea if this helps you with NHL 10, but it appears to have a link to a download for the Canucks 1994 roster.

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/344155.page


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Here's the roster, but I honestly can't remember the line combos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_St...couver_Canucks

I did find this though and it helps a little... from game 7 I believe.


I also seem to remember that Courtnall and Ronning were on a line together. As for NHL 10, I don't follow it. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I'll see if I can dig up a little more info.

edit: I have no idea if this helps you with NHL 10, but it appears to have a link to a download for the Canucks 1994 roster.

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/344155.page
Thanks... I have seen these rosters before, but they're for PS3, not Xbox 360... maybe I'll get the game for PS3...

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I actually went ahead and quickly adjusted the Rangers 1993-1994 statistics to present day values. The math was done by simply multiplying each statistic by (1994 GPG / 2009 GPG).

1994 Goals Per Game = 6.48
2009 Goals Per Game = 5.69

Here are our Stanley Cup winning regular season statistics in 2009 numbers:

Player GP G A P

Zubov, Sergei 78 11 68 78
Messier, Mark 76 23 51 74
Graves, Adam 82 46 24 69
Leetch, Brian 82 20 49 69
Larmer, Steve 68 18 34 53
Kovalev, Alexei 76 20 29 49
Tikkanen, Esa 82 19 28 47
Gartner, Mike 71 25 21 46
Nemchinov, Sergei 76 19 24 43
Amonte, Tony 72 14 19 33
Lowe, Kevin 71 4 12 17
Karpovtsev, Alexander 67 3 13 16
Beukeboom, Jeff 68 7 7 14
Gilbert, Greg 76 4 10 13
Hudson, Mike 48 4 6 10
Wells, Jay 79 2 6 8
Kypreos, Nick 46 3 4 7
Olczyk, Eddie 37 3 4 7
Matteau, Stephane 12 4 3 6
Noonan, Brian 12 4 2 5
Anderson, Glenn 12 4 2 5
MacTavish, Craig 12 4 2 5
Turcotte, Darren 13 2 4 5
Kocur, Joey 71 2 1 3
Patrick, James 6 0 3 3
Hartman, Mike 35 1 1 2
Andersson, Peter 8 1 1 2
Lidster, Doug 34 0 2 2
Norstrom, Mattias 9 0 2 2
Messier, Joby 4 0 2 2
Bourque, Phil 16 0 1 1
Lacroix, Daniel 4 0 0 0
Hiller, Jim 2 0 0 0
Marchant, Todd 1 0 0 0
If Graves set the Rangers record for goals with 52 that season, I gotta figure that stat is wrong.

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If Graves set the Rangers record for goals with 52 that season, I gotta figure that stat is wrong.
This is what the stats would look like if it was 2009.

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If Graves set the Rangers record for goals with 52 that season, I gotta figure that stat is wrong.
I present-day-valued the 1994 statistics just to see what it would take from a Rangers roster to win the Cup next year.

It's actually interesting that we didn't have any guys over 80 points, but we had 9 guys over 40 points. That's quite a scoring distribution. And it makes a tremendous difference because when one guy gets cold, there are 7 other guys who can pick up the slack for him.

Just a quick comparision:
The 2008 Penguins had 4 guys over 40 points but two scored over 100 points.
The 2007 Red Wings had 8 guys over 40 points.
The 2006 Ducks had 8 guys over 40 points.
The 2005 Hurricanes had 8 guys over 40 points.

The 2009 Rangers have four guys on pace to finish over 40 points (Gaborik, Prospal, Dubinsky, Callahan). That ain't gunna get it done.

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Until Jovalev was moved to Messier's right wing for the last two hames against the Debbies and then the Finals, the lines were:


Graves - Messier - Anderson
Matteau - Kovalev - Larmer
Tikkanen - MacTavish - Noonan
Gilbert - Nemchinov - Kocur (or sometimes Kypreos)
Am I thinking of the PP or maybe '95, but I remember a Graves-Mess-Larmer line being around for a little while too.

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why don't you just use the ratings given to those players in nhl '95 as a frame of reference?

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love graves, but no way he would have scored 46 goals if he played in 2009. Entirely different game, and i know the stats are adjusted, but he would have finished around 30-35 (if that), i think Mike Knuble like numbers.

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I present-day-valued the 1994 statistics just to see what it would take from a Rangers roster to win the Cup next year.

It's actually interesting that we didn't have any guys over 80 points, but we had 9 guys over 40 points. That's quite a scoring distribution. And it makes a tremendous difference because when one guy gets cold, there are 7 other guys who can pick up the slack for him.

Just a quick comparision:
The 2008 Penguins had 4 guys over 40 points but two scored over 100 points.
The 2007 Red Wings had 8 guys over 40 points.
The 2006 Ducks had 8 guys over 40 points.
The 2005 Hurricanes had 8 guys over 40 points.

The 2009 Rangers have four guys on pace to finish over 40 points (Gaborik, Prospal, Dubinsky, Callahan). That ain't gunna get it done.
So much for my reading comprehension.

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Hey, since you're here, would you mind giving me the Vancouver Canucks lines from 1994? And some overall numbers for NHL 10, player types, etc.? Thanks.
for the most part it was

Adams Linden Bure
Courtnall lafayette Craven
momesso Ronning gelinas
Antoski mcintyre Hunter

defense

Lumme Glynn
Brown Hedican
babych Didick

In goal Kirk Mclean/kay whitemore

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it was confusing, jas, as I believe Zubov had 89 points that season. Anyways, it's hard to believe it was 16 years ago. I can tell you where I was pretty much each night of the two weeks leading up to the parade, on June 17 (actually, that was also the night of the OJ chase and the night Starks missed a 3-pointer in game 6 to go to game 7). It was actually a time in which I coulc watch the Knicks.

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Momesso was a BEAST in that series for the Canucks. Not scoring wise but what a bruiser.

Its funny, lst summer I got wa tach a few games I havent seen in a while from that series (like game 6), DEAR GOD what a clutch and grab game it was back then. Really makes you appreciate guys like Bure who could break free from that and score the way they could.

Though I guess on the other hand a lot of guys were slower back then so speedy players really had an advantage as opposed to the "new nhl" (god I hate that term) where teams a mostly built to be fast.

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The last 10 minutes of Game 7 felt like 10 hours. Richter with those amazing saves and Lafayette hits the crossbar. I still get the shakes thinking about it.

Graves-Messier-Larmer; that was the line in NHL 95 when you didn't have line changes.

I'm happy that the Rangers FINALLY look to have a Zubov replacement in Del Zotto who is more like a Zubov than a Leetch. Worst. Trade. Ever. The PP still hasn't fully recovered.

Wasn't it funny in Dallas two-three years ago when Zubov and Norstrom where there? It was a "hey, that should have been our captain and alternate captain" moment.

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Well, MDZ replaces Zubov...still have a long way to replace Leetch. What a duo - right-handed and left-handed shots from the point. Leetch was the best in the business at keeping the puck in the zone and was so good bringing the puck up ice. Zubov saw the ice very well and moved the puck along extremely well and had a short, compact shot that was so dangerous. Man do I miss having a team that was contructed to make sense. That's only two positions but it's so vastly different than this team has had in the last 10 years that it really irks me.

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