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03-20-2010, 01:01 AM
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Agreed.

There's also the "grand scheme of things" argument.

Here's a challenge.

Lets lay out the Canuck's top five players' contracts and see how they compare to other teams' top five contracts.


Sedin 6.1
Sedin 6.1
Luongo 5.34
Kesler 4.91
Burrows 2.0


This is a subjective list, and folks may disagree as to who the top five Canucks are in terms of importance to the team's success, but if we compare these five players' importance in relation to their cap hit, what other NHL team gets more value for the same cap hit (or less) for the next four years?
Detroit:
Niklas Lidstrom - $7.45m
Pavel Datsyuk - $6.7m
Henrik Zetterberg - $6.083m
Brian Rafalski - $6m
Johan Franzen - $3.954m

Chicago:
Brian Campbell - $7.142m
Jonathan Toews - $6.3m
Patrick Kane - $6.3m
Duncan Keith - $5.538m
Marian Hossa - $5.275m

San Jose:
Dany Heatley - $7.5m
Joe Thornton - $7.2m
Dan Boyle - $6.66m
Patrick Marleau - $6.3m
Evgeni Nabokov - $5.375m

Just as a few examples.

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Agreed.

There's also the "grand scheme of things" argument.

Here's a challenge.

Lets lay out the Canuck's top five players' contracts and see how they compare to other teams' top five contracts.


Sedin 6.1
Sedin 6.1
Luongo 5.34
Kesler 4.91
Burrows 2.0


This is a subjective list, and folks may disagree as to who the top five Canucks are in terms of importance to the team's success, but if we compare these five players' importance in relation to their cap hit, what other NHL team gets more value for the same cap hit (or less) for the next four years?
I'm actually doing something similar right now...

The write up will be all 30 teams top 6 forwards and top 3 d man in terms of goal scoring and how much each team spends.

Here is Anaheim's example...

Of course there will be discrepancies because of player movement etc, but this is just a general number.

Anaheim

R Getzlaf - 18g - 5.325 mill
C Perry - 24g - 5.325 mill
B Ryan - 31g - 1.921 mill
S Koivu - 13g - 3.25 mill
T Selanne - 20g - 2.625 mill
J Blake - 12g - 4 mill


S Niedermayer - 8g - 6.75 mill
L Visnovsky - 14g - 5.6 mill
J Wisniewski - 3g - 2.75 mill

Total: 143g for $37,546,000 or 1 goal = $262,559

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It'll be a discount when everyone agrees that he's a six-million dollar player by the end of these playoffs.

Vancouver had to get this contract done now. Kesler's value was only going upwards.
This is how I look at it. If we go on a long playoff run this year and Kesler plays as well as he was playing during the Olympics he could have easily been worth 6mil in the summer.

I wanted him signed for 4.75. 250 grand is not a big deal at all.

I love the term and I'm glad it's done!

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I'm actually doing something similar right now...

The write up will be all 30 teams top 6 forwards and top 3 d man in terms of goal scoring and how much each team spends.

That will be interesting.

I'm talking about the top five most valuable players to a team's success, and what their cap hits are for the next four years.

It's not comparing the top five contracts to other teams' top five contracts, but rather a comparison of the top five most valuable players (and their cap hits) over the next four years.

Like I said, it's subjective.

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That will be interesting.

I'm talking about the top five most valuable players to a team's success, and what their cap hits are for the next four years.

It's not comparing the top five contracts to other teams' top five contracts, but rather a comparison of the top five most valuable players (and their cap hits) over the next four years.

Like I said, it's subjective.
Of course. I completely understood. Vancouver is deff tops here.

I was bored and felt like showing how good "money puck" is when it works. Started like 30 mins ago

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03-20-2010, 01:40 AM
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Another thing that I am very impressed with is how there were no leaks that I am aware of during this negotiation. I didn't hear anything about Kesler being in talks and I was shocked when I heard the news.

I love the way Gillis does business.

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Stajan 3.5m 71gp 19g 32a = 51p

Kesler 5m 71gp 21g 45a = 66p

Fair deal. Don't understand why people were saying Stajan is overpaid though

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Another thing that I am very impressed with is how there were no leaks that I am aware of during this negotiation. I didn't hear anything about Kesler being in talks and I was shocked when I heard the news.

I love the way Gillis does business.
There were talks before the Olympics that Gillis said wouldn't resume until the end of the season.

Rumour was that Gillis was offering around $4m; Kesler was asking around $5m.

Looks like Gillis called up and said "you've got it!" Not much negotiating needed from there.

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Stajan 3.5m 71gp 19g 32a = 51p

Kesler 5m 71gp 21g 45a = 66p

Fair deal. Don't understand why people were saying Stajan is overpaid though
Kesler can carry a line, Stajan can't.

besides Kesler's value goes beyond just points. You'll be hard to find a player with the Intensity, ferocity, and desire to win that Kesler possesses. Stajan is a decent player but he's also a cupcake.

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Stajan 3.5m 71gp 19g 32a = 51p

Kesler 5m 71gp 21g 45a = 66p

Fair deal. Don't understand why people were saying Stajan is overpaid though
yeah, the stajan deal isnt that bad, but the thing is with the lineup calgary has now, he better be able to carry a second line and produce at that price, because Langkow is getting pretty long in the tooth and they dont have a ton of cap room to bring in anyone else. I can understand that flames fans might not be happy because it basically ensures that their top 2 centers are Langkow and Stajan, and they're going to make 8 mil between them.

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lol - I can't think of a better time to be a canuck fan than right now. For the first time I actually have faith in our GM, and am excited that Gillis has the talent to make this team better every year, instead of worse.

I'd say with these signings Canucks are in a great position to be legitimate contenders for the cup every year for the next 3 years.
Been down this road before - 1982, 1994, WCE heyday...

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Been down this road before - 1982, 1994, WCE heyday...
Did you really feel that any of those teams had the strength of longevity that this current team seems to have? Was there any point where our goaltending was seen as contender worthy during the WCE? After 1994 was the core of that team locked up long term and seen as young enough to compete for a good 5 years afterwards? 1982 I won't really mention but from stuff my dad tells me it was a Cinderella run if there ever was one. Are you really comparing it to this team or just saying that the sentiment is the same?

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Been down this road before - 1982, 1994, WCE heyday...
Agreed,

but having prospect depth at this time I think adds a flavour that differs from those years.

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There were talks before the Olympics that Gillis said wouldn't resume until the end of the season.

Rumour was that Gillis was offering around $4m; Kesler was asking around $5m.

Looks like Gillis called up and said "you've got it!" Not much negotiating needed from there.
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During the negotiation, Kesler was seeking $5.5 million per year on a long-term deal. The Canucks were countering with something in the $4.5 million-a-year range.
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho...752/story.html

So Gillis was seeking 4.5M and Kesler was seeking 5.5M...and what do you know? They met in the middle (sounds a lot like how the Sedins negotiations went). Sounds fair to me!

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So Gillis was seeking 4.5M and Kesler was seeking 5.5M...and what do you know? They met in the middle (sounds a lot like how the Sedins negotiations went). Sounds fair to me!
Next time Gillis should offer the player $1 and then meet in the middle.

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Next time Gillis should offer the player $1 and then meet in the middle.
already did that with Burrows

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already did that with Burrows
LOL

Gillis makes offers and signs contracts at fair value. He doesn't give them more than they're worth, and he doesn't give them less... he has an eye for value, no doubt.

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Stajan 3.5m 71gp 19g 32a = 51p

Kesler 5m 71gp 21g 45a = 66p

Fair deal. Don't understand why people were saying Stajan is overpaid though
Ugh, don't compare Kesler to Stajan; he's a marshmallow.

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Been down this road before - 1982, 1994, WCE heyday...

So have I.

I don't understand your point.

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I think what Wetcoaster and others who complain he did not take a pay cut have not been able to grasp is the value the Canucks get by locking up Ryan for 6 years including 4 years of UFA status.

If this were a 1 year 5 million dollar deal as an RFA than it would have been at market value.

As is over the 6 years with the 4 years of UFA locked up at $5 million and this is a bargain in the neighborhood of about 10-15%. I would call that a significant discount!

Hell if I get a buck off a loaf of bread I'm happy....As a Canuck fan getting a top line center for a half million plus discount to spend on other holes that need filling....well....

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Kesler probably could have gotten 7 million as a UFA. He took 5 to stay with us. It's a 2 million dollar discount. Anyone who says he didnt take a big discount is out of their minds. 5 million on the UFA market gets you a 60-point second line forward. Instead we just got a potential point per game Selke candidate.

Some of you need to be more ecstatic about this. It could have been a lot worse. He could have taken a 2 year 9 million deal, and try to hit the jackpot in free agency. A lot of teams would be lining up to offer Kesler a deal like 6/39.

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Kesler, Gillis and Burrows (nice tooth gap Alex) interviews after the contract signing:
http://canucks.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp

Click "Reid Report : Kes Locked Up"

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Kesler, Gillis and Burrows (nice tooth gap Alex) interviews after the contract signing:
http://canucks.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp

Click "Reid Report : Kes Locked Up"
lmao, Burrows looks like the Hunchback from Notre Dame except without the hunch.

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Well here is what I have so far, I'll do the rest in the morning and when i get some feedback.

This shows how much each team spends(cap-wise) per goals from their respective top 6 goal scorers and top 3 d men.

This figures aren't exact considering player movement and new contracts, i'd have to pro-rate contracts to get the figures exact...to much time...

Ordered by how little they spend(Place in total team scoring):

Vancouver - $127,401(2nd)
Washington - $166,686(1st)
Calgary - $187,731(27th)
Atlanta - $195,862(6th)
Chicago - $212,720(4th)
Pittsburgh - $213,783(5th)
San Jose - $215,127(3rd)
Anaheim - $262,559(12th)
Buffalo - $270,054(15th)
Boston - $297,893(30th)
Ottawa - $298,479(19th)

Anaheim

R Getzlaf - 18g - $5.325 mill
C Perry - 24g - $5.325 mill
B Ryan - 31g - $1.921 mill
S Koivu - 13g - $3.25 mill
T Selanne - 20g - $2.625 mill
J Blake 12g - $4 mill


S Niedermayer 8g - $6.75 mill
L Visnovsky 14g - $5.6 mill
J Wisniewski 3g - $2.75 mill

Total: 143g for $37,546,000 or 1 goal = $262,559

Atlanta

N Antropov - 21g - $4.062 mill
M Afinogenov - 22g - $3.666 mill
R Peverley - 19g - $487 k
N Bergfors - 19g - $818 k
E Kane - 14g - $3.1 mill
C MacArthur - 15g - $1.4 mill

T Enstrom - 6g - $3.75 mill
P Kubina - 6g - $5 mill
Z Bogosian - 9g - $3.375 mill

Total: 131 goals for $25,658,000 or 1 goal = $195,862

Boston

P Bergeron - 16g - $5 mill
D Krejci - 14g - $3.75 mill
M Recchi - 15g - $1.7 mill
B Wheeler - 17g - $2.825 mill
M Sturm - 21g - $3.5 mill
M Ryder - 16g - $4 mill

Z Chara - 5g - $7.5 mill
M Hunwick - 6g - $1.45 mill
D Wideman - 3g - $3.937 mill

Total: 113 goals for $33,662,000 or 1 goal = $297,893

Buffalo

T Connolly - 15g - $4.5 mill
D Roy - 19g - $4 mill
J Pominville - 21g - $5.3 mill
T Vanek - 23g - $7.142 mill
J Hecht - 16g - $3.525 mill
R Torres - 19g - $2.25 mill

T Myers - 10g - $1.3 mill
Andrej Sekera - 4g - $1 mill
S Montador - 3g - $1.55 mill

Total: 113 goals for $30,567,000 or 1 goal = $270,054


Calgary

J Iginla - 32g - $7 mill
M Stajan - 19g - $1.75 mill
R Bourque - 22g - $1.35 mill
N Hagman - 21g - $3 mill
D Langkow - 14g - $4.5 mill
C Glencross - 15g - $1.2 mill

I White - 9g - $.850 mill
M Giordano - 11g - $.891 k
J Bouwmeester - 2g - $6.68 mill

Total: 145 goals for $27,221,000 or 1 goal = $187,731

Chicago

P Kane - 26g - $3.725 mill
P Sharp - 21g - $3.9 mill
J Toews - 22g - $2.8 mill
M Hossa - 21g - $5.275 mill
T Brouwer - 20g - $1.025 mill
K Versteeg - 16g - $3.066 mill

D Keith - 13g - $1.475 mill
B Campbell - 7g - $7.142 mill
B Seabrook - 4g - $3.5 mill

Total: 150 goals for $31,908,000 or 1 goal = $212,720

Ottawa

D Alfredsson - 17g - $4.875 mill
A Kovalev - 17g - $5 mill
M Fisher - 21g - $4.2 mill
M Cullen - 14g - $2.875 mill
J Spezza - 16g - $7 mill
M Michalek - 22g - $4.333 mill

F Kuba - 3g - $3.7 mill
C Philips - 8g - $3.5 mill
C Campoli - 3g - $.633 k

Total: 121 goals for $36,116,000 or 1 goal = $298,479

Pittsburgh

S Crosby - 45g - $8.7 mill
E Malkin - 23g - $8.7 mill
A Ponikarovsky - 21g - $2.105 mill
J Staal - 19g - $4 mill
B Guerin - 18g - $2 mill
P Dupuis - 17g - $1.4 mill

S Gonchar - 10g - $5 mill
J Leopold - 7g - $1.75 mill
A Goligoski - 7g - $1.833 mill

Total: 166 goals for $35,488,000 or 1 goal = $213,783


San Jose

J Thornton - 18g - $7.2 mill
P Marleau - 41g - $6.3 mill
D Heatley - 37g - $7.5 mill
R Clowe - 17g - $3.625 mill
J Pavelski - 21g - $1.637 mill
D Setoguchi - 17g - $1.246 mill

D Boyle - 13g - $6.666 mill
R Blake - 5g - $3.5 mill
J Demers - 4g - $.543 k

Total: 173 goals for $37,217,000 or 1 goal = $215,127

Vancouver

H Sedin 28g - $6.1 mill
D Sedin 19g - $6.1 mill
R Kesler 21g - $1.75 mill
A Burrows 32g - $2 mill
M Samuelsson 30g - $2.5 mill
M Raymond 22g - $.883 k

C Erhoff 13g - $3.1
A Edler 4g - $3.25
S Salo 8g - $3.25

Total

177g for $22,550,00 or 1 goal = $127,401


Washington

A Ovechkin - 44g - $9.538 mill
A Semin - 32g - $4.6 mill
N Backstrom - 29g - $2.4 mill
M Knuble - 25g - $2.8 mill
B Laich - 24g - $2.066 mill
T Fleishcmann - 20g - $.725 k

M Green - 17g - $5.25 mill
J Corvo - 6g - $2.625 mill
T Poti - 4g - $3.5 mill

Total: 201 goals for $33,504,000 or 1 goal = $166,686

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lmao, Burrows looks like the Hunchback from Notre Dame except without the hunch.
Quasiburrows???

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