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03-20-2010, 10:37 AM
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Gomez and Calgary trade are two of the worst trades(09-10)

Worst trades of 2009-10 from THN. Good trades for the Rangers. Sather moved his mistakes.

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June 30, 2009: The Canadiens acquire Scott Gomez, Tom Pyatt and Michael Busto from the Rangers for Christopher Higgins, Ryan McDonagh, Pavel Valentenko and Doug Janik.
Although Gomez has certainly been better of late, cap space is as important as production in the new-CBA world and the 30-year-old will be eating up $7.3 million of the Habs room for the next four years.
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Feb. 1, 2010: The Flames acquire Ales Kotalik and Christopher Higgins from the Rangers for Olli Jokinen and Brandon Prust.
Jokinen was a bust, to be sure, but bringing in two underachievers – one of whom (Kotalik) is owed $3 million for each of the next two seasons – in the hopes they will rediscover their scoring touch in a new locale is an unnecessary roll of the dice. Jokinen comes off the books this summer, so why not get a pick and keep the cap space?
http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...of-200910.html

Now if only Slats could make Donald Brashear and Wade Redden disappear

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We didn't get a pick in the Kotalik trade.

Anyway, the trades are great, but again, it's all irrelevant unless Sather actually utilizes the cap space in a productive manner. Trading away one bad contract just to clog the space acquired with a different bad contract is not progress.

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We didn't get a pick in the Kotalik trade.

Anyway, the trades are great, but again, it's all irrelevant unless Sather actually utilizes the cap space in a productive manner. Trading away one bad contract just to clog the space acquired with a different bad contract is not progress.
Well...Gomez's contract was basically swapped for Gaborik.

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Well...Gomez's contract was basically swapped for Gaborik.
Right. That's one move out out how many? That alone won't get the Rangers anywhere, as evidenced by this season.

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We didn't get a pick in the Kotalik trade.

Anyway, the trades are great, but again, it's all irrelevant unless Sather actually utilizes the cap space in a productive manner. Trading away one bad contract just to clog the space acquired with a different bad contract is not progress.
I believe what they meant is, why take on salary if your dealing Jokinen...just move him for a pick and leave yourself the cap space.

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I believe what they meant is, why take on salary if your dealing Jokinen...just move him for a pick and leave yourself the cap space.
Oh, you're right.

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Make enough horrible UFA signings and it increases the chances of making decent trades unloading a couple.

Sather is at a distinct advantage over all (arguably) GMs in this regard.

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Well...Gomez's contract was basically swapped for Gaborik.
This is absurd. Gomez's contract was swapped for cap space, part of which was instantly devoured by Higgins's contract. The cap space saved was used to sign a number of players, including Gaborik AND our favorite busts. It is just as accurate to say Gomez's contract was basically swapped for Kotalik, Brashear, and Higgins as it is to say it was swapped for Gaborik.

But of course saying that wouldn't reflect nearly so well on Sather's "genius" as saying the deal was Gomez-for-Gaborik.

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This is absurd. Gomez's contract was swapped for cap space, part of which was instantly devoured by Higgins's contract. The cap space saved was used to sign a number of players, including Gaborik AND our favorite busts. It is just as accurate to say Gomez's contract was basically swapped for Kotalik, Brashear, and Higgins as it is to say it was swapped for Gaborik.

But of course saying that wouldn't reflect nearly so well on Sather's "genius" as saying the deal was Gomez-for-Gaborik.
In terms of what they were expected to do and their salary, it makes sense to say Gabby for Gomez, Kotalik for Zherdev, Higgins for Naslund.

It's not true of course, but it lines up nicely in your head which is why people think of it this way.

But let me also say this: If we kept Gomez, we'd still sign Kotalik to replace Zherdev, we'd still sign Brash, and we'd probably use the remaining money on a 2-3 line player like Higgins.

But we almost definitely would not have signed Gabby.

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This is absurd. Gomez's contract was swapped for cap space, part of which was instantly devoured by Higgins's contract. The cap space saved was used to sign a number of players, including Gaborik AND our favorite busts. It is just as accurate to say Gomez's contract was basically swapped for Kotalik, Brashear, and Higgins as it is to say it was swapped for Gaborik.

But of course saying that wouldn't reflect nearly so well on Sather's "genius" as saying the deal was Gomez-for-Gaborik.
I'm not mathematician, but Gomez at 7.3 mil per < Gabby at 7.5 mill per

Therefore, the Gomez signing DID NOT sign include Gabby and our favorite busts but was actually Gabby because we could have signed the busts with Gomez on this team. Gomez's lost salary enabled us to take on Gabby's new salary.

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Can you imagine how bad we'd be if Sather opted to go after Martin Havlat or Marian Hossa instead of Gaborik?

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Now we just need to do it again with Redden!

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I believe what they meant is, why take on salary if your dealing Jokinen...just move him for a pick and leave yourself the cap space.
Which is exactly what the Rangers should have done at the deadline. Cmon, they arent resigning Jokinen. I would have taken a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline in a heartbeat.

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Can you imagine how bad we'd be if Sather opted to go after Martin Havlat or Marian Hossa instead of Gaborik?
you mean 21 goals and 20 assists in 45 games Marian Hossa?

His only problem was missing some games due to an injury. Hossa, and his contract are AWESOME for the 'Hawks.

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Gomez's lost salary enabled us to take on Gabby's new salary.
No, it was the combination of Zherdev's, Naslund's, and Antropov's lost salaries that enabled us to take on Gabby's salary.

Or the combination of Zherdev's, Bett's, Morris's, and Mara's.

Or the combination of ...

Do you see my point? All these moves were implemented to open salary space. Saying "this specific move led to that specific salary signing" is entirely arbitrary ... but it is very convenient for those who want to apologize for Glen Sather.

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Which is exactly what the Rangers should have done at the deadline. Cmon, they arent resigning Jokinen. I would have taken a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline in a heartbeat.
Yes but you have to be a lion to take such risks with a team so close to a playoff spot.

Oh wait! Our GM says he IS a lion!

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It's not true of course, but it lines up nicely in your head which is why people think of it this way.
Exactly right. This is a simple construct of the mind, but Sather apologists will defend it as a given fact.

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If we kept Gomez, we'd still sign Kotalik to replace Zherdev, we'd still sign Brash, and we'd probably use the remaining money on a 2-3 line player like Higgins.
Agreed.

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But we almost definitely would not have signed Gabby.
You're saying that if we kept Gomez, we wouldn't have signed Gaborik, but I heartily doubt that mode of thinking ever entered the organization's mind. As a player who had underperformed on his contract and was definitely NOT wanted by Tortorella, Gomez was going, even at pennies on the talent dollar. Whether or not Gaborik was signed, Gomez was gone. In other words, Gomez wasn't traded to make room for Gaborik. Gomez was traded because he was expensive, underperforming, and unwanted.

As the best free agent on the market and one that filled a specific need, Gaborik was coming. Whether or not Gomez went to Montreal on June 28, Gaborik was going to be signed on July 1.

For these reasons, there is no correlation to be made about what was made possible by the Gomez trade. Cap space was opened by that decision just as it was by other decisions.


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Which is exactly what the Rangers should have done at the deadline. Cmon, they arent resigning Jokinen. I would have taken a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline in a heartbeat.
I have not found the team with the available cap space and the need to make such a deal. I agree the Rangers should have dealt Prospal, but, I just didn't see a deal for Jokinen, which didn't bring back salary,

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you mean 21 goals and 20 assists in 45 games Marian Hossa?

His only problem was missing some games due to an injury. Hossa, and his contract are AWESOME for the 'Hawks.
yeah. for the Hawks. Who also have Kane. Toews. and a ton of other good players. They have at least 4 or 5 players outside of Kane, Toews, and Hossa that could be on our first line.

Hossa, IMO, wouldn't carry this team the way Gaborik has.

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Higgins was a healthy scratch against the Sharks yesterday. So much for finding his game away from "home"... LOL, ****ing bum.

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It was a great trade by Sather. Getting McDonagh and being able to sign an elite forward in Gaborik who is worth the money. Amazing that Gomez didn't have a no trade clause. I thought there was no way Sather could get rid of Gomez contract.

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