Hi, Leafs fan here. Got something to run by you guys.
Kaberle for Carter. Straight up.
You guys are in a world of pain vis-a-vis the cap. I'm sure you've noticed. Carter makes way too much money for a #2C and he's going to get a raise next year when he's RFA. If you get Kaberle then you can trade Timonen. Obviously Kaberle isn't as good defensively as Timonen but he is, IMO, vastly superior offensively. With Carter gone you also have the #2C spot for Giroux. Stay with me. You can also trade Briere, IMO for not much return with that hideous contract, and free up even more cap. With Carter, Timonen and Briere out and Kaberle in you have ca. $15m cap-space to address your goaltending (Nabokov?) and go after a big-name UFA forward (Kovalchuk/Marleau) to replace Briere.
Mhmm. If you're lucky and you catch a GM first thing in the morning while he's still hungover then you might get a third round pick for that monstrous contract.
Mhmm. If you're lucky and you catch a GM first thing in the morning while he's still hungover then you might get a third round pick for that monstrous contract.
Well, if you want Carter, you better start with Kessel if you don't have a couple lottery picks just gathering dust in the back.
Lol you canadians smoke too much weed. The Carter for Kaberle windown closed 2 years ago, you know back when Kaberle was young and before Carter put up 80+ goals in 2 years. Posted via Mobile Device
Lol you canadians smoke too much weed. The Carter for Kaberle windown closed 2 years ago, you know back when Kaberle was young and before Carter put up 80+ goals in 2 years. Posted via Mobile Device
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Hi, Leafs fan here. Got something to run by you guys.
Kaberle for Carter. Straight up.
You guys are in a world of pain vis-a-vis the cap. I'm sure you've noticed. Carter makes way too much money for a #2C and he's going to get a raise next year when he's RFA.
If you get Kaberle then you can trade Timonen. Obviously Kaberle isn't as good defensively as Timonen but he is, IMO, vastly superior offensively.
With Carter gone you also have the #2C spot for Giroux. Stay with me.
You can also trade Briere, IMO for not much return with that hideous contract, and free up even more cap.
With Carter, Timonen and Briere out and Kaberle in you have ca. $15m cap-space to address your goaltending (Nabokov?) and go after a big-name UFA forward (Kovalchuk/Marleau) to replace Briere.
Carter scored 46 goals last year, may touch 40 again this year, can kill penalties and plays good D at even strength. You're right though, he is a ****ing albatross with that five million dollar contract. You totally sold me the idea of trading him for Kaberle. We need more all star defensemen in the twilight of their careers.
What's nice here is that trading Briere is just as easy as wanting to do it (never mind other team's cap implications or NMC's). The fifteen million dollar estimate is nice too. Apparently Kaberle as well as Briere and Kimmo's replacements are going to play for league minimum, so his idea has that going for it.
No, because other teams are dying to do you a huge favour and take Hartnell or Briere off your hands.
I thought this was dead. You want to pry a player off a team with no cap space, go to Chicago. The Flyers' cap situation is manageable. I'd take the time to explain why, but it probably wouldn't do me any good. So just stop.
Any player is tradeable, all depends on what return you expect for them. IMO, none of those players will get you anything like a decent return with those contracts.
The crux of what I'm thinking is that trading for Kaberle gives you a good return (Kaberle is 7th in dman scoring before some wit makes reference to him not being any good any more) and allows you to move a big contract off your D as well. IMO it means your team retains its current threat and gives you some much needed cap-flexibilty and potentially allows you to do something about your woeful goaltending because let's face it, the Flyers are a true #1G away from being solid cup-contenders.
Any player is tradeable, all depends on what return you expect for them. IMO, none of those players will get you anything like a decent return with those contracts.
The crux of what I'm thinking is that trading for Kaberle gives you a good return (Kaberle is 7th in dman scoring before some wit makes reference to him not being any good any more) and allows you to move a big contract off your D as well. IMO it means your team retains its current threat and gives you some much needed cap-flexibilty and potentially allows you to do something about your woeful goaltending because let's face it, the Flyers are a true #1G away from being solid cup-contenders.
I understand what you are saying but trading away one of the only good contracts we have is not going to help us. The guy is going to have around 85 goals in 2 seasons before even turning 25, thats not what you move for a guy like Kaberle who is 32 and making 750k less than him. Kaberle's contract is up after next season, thats all well and good but he isnt going to sign next year for anything less than 4 million again on a 3 year deal and if we dont resign him then its essentially a salary dump by moving our best offensive threat on a good contract. If Carter is going to demand too much money next year then we move him before the end of next season or after this one but the return for him will be much better than Kaberle.
If you guys sent the bruins two top 10 overall picks plus a 2nd rounder for Kessel why would Carter who is CLEARLY the better player get less of a return?
I understand what you are saying but trading away one of the only good contracts we have is not going to help us. The guy is going to have around 85 goals in 2 seasons before even turning 25, thats not what you move for a guy like Kaberle who is 32 and making 750k less than him. Kaberle's contract is up after next season, thats all well and good but he isnt going to sign next year for anything less than 4 million again on a 3 year deal and if we dont resign him then its essentially a salary dump by moving our best offensive threat on a good contract. If Carter is going to demand too much money next year then we move him before the end of next season or after this one but the return for him will be much better than Kaberle.
And then when Carter is due his RFA raise, what then? The best case scenario I've seen mentioned around here is he signs a Richards-esque, ridiculously long contract for $5.75m. Having well over $10m on two centres, for the next ten years, is not a good way to build a team and will affect your team balance. You guys have been a #1G away from being solid cup-contenders for years and you haven't had one because you can't afford one. You can't afford one because you have too much money tied up in your top-six.
Kaberle is 7th in D scoring. Imagine where he'd be on a good team like PHI. No, he doesn't make up for the offense you lose from Carter and I won't pretend he does. Hopefully giving Giroux top-six minutes helps him develop and his offensive output will help fill the hole left by Carter too. Plus you can still move Briere or Gagne, or hope that their production bounces back.
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Originally Posted by CannonGoBoom
If you guys sent the bruins two top 10 overall picks plus a 2nd rounder for Kessel why would Carter who is CLEARLY the better player get less of a return?
Because the situations aren't comparable, apples to oranges and all that.
What is with people thinking Carter is going to get traded. Trading your best offensive player for anyone, let alone a guy nearing the end of a career at a position where he really isn't needed, is not a good way to turn a team around. If the Flyers were a basement team and Carter's contract was running out, then I could see trading him. But (when there is a goalie in net) the Flyers are a contender and JC is a pretty big reason for that. But yeah, let's trade a burgeoning superstar that is the best offensive player on our team for a washed up D-man (or at least soon to be washed up D-man) straight up. That is brilliant.
And then when Carter is due his RFA raise, what then? The best case scenario I've seen mentioned around here is he signs a Richards-esque, ridiculously long contract for $5.75m. Having well over $10m on two centres, for the next ten years, is not a good way to build a team and will affect your team balance. You guys have been a #1G away from being solid cup-contenders for years and you haven't had one because you can't afford one. You can't afford one because you have too much money tied up in your top-six.
Kaberle is 7th in D scoring. Imagine where he'd be on a good team like PHI. No, he doesn't make up for the offense you lose from Carter and I won't pretend he does. Hopefully giving Giroux top-six minutes helps him develop and his offensive output will help fill the hole left by Carter too. Plus you can still move Briere or Gagne, or hope that their production bounces back.
Because the situations aren't comparable, apples to oranges and all that.
When you first came on and made that joke of a proposal it was a little funny. Now you're attempting to diagnose our team's issues for us.
A: You don't know our team as well as we do.
B: Stick to figuring out how to fix the Leafs...should keep you busy for a while.
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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers
What is with people thinking Carter is going to get traded. Trading your best offensive player for anyone, let alone a guy nearing the end of a career at a position where he really isn't needed, is not a good way to turn a team around. If the Flyers were a basement team and Carter's contract was running out, then I could see trading him. But (when there is a goalie in net) the Flyers are a contender and JC is a pretty big reason for that. But yeah, let's trade a burgeoning superstar that is the best offensive player on our team for a washed up D-man (or at least soon to be washed up D-man) straight up. That is brilliant.
Be fair. Kaberle is a good player, but he has turned down multiple trades from Toronto. He apparently doesn't mind losing that much. That makes him a loser in my book. Don't want em'.
I don't want my team trading one of their four best players and two best assets for a guy who is in the twilight of his years (not really gonna say his careers almost over, he's only 32).
Thanks man. Needed a good laugh. Its not like we haven't heard this proposal, hmm, maybe about 100 times in the past 2-3 years.
You know we have Timonen and Pronger...right? Those are 2 top defenders in the league. Why do we need another? Especially since at the moment, our superstar offense cant even score goals. So yea, thats smart to get rid of the guy who actually does score goals.
Ok cool, you guys aren't fans. I'll get out of your hair then.
BTW, you shouldn't assume that simply because I'm not a strict PHI that I know nothing about your team. I certainly know enough to get a chuckle from fans of a team that traded two Firsts, a Third, a decent prospect and an ok top-six player talking about trading for washed up defensemen. Often 'ein auslander' can provide an objectivity lacking on team-focused boards, I see it all the time on the Leafs forums, people get sucked in and believe that their team can't possibly be changed, everything is always peachy, other teams are just begging to take their teams trash players and contracts and that every hometown player is the next #99.
Ta ta. Good luck next year with whatever goaltending you manage to sign for $1.5m
