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03-21-2010, 03:49 PM
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Acquisitions/Cap management/Roster building thread

Filatov will likely never return to the jackets

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com

i offer

Fehr + 1.round pick (because they dont want flash)

Mod edit: The nuts and bolts of cap hits, etc. in the stickied salary cap thread.


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Filatov will likely never will return to the jackets

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com

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Fehr + 1.round pick (because they dont want flash)
I wouldn't move Fehr for Filatov straight up.

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Filatov will likely never will return to the jackets

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com

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Fehr + 1.round pick (because they dont want flash)
I'd rather have Fehr.

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I wouldn't move Fehr for Filatov straight up.
filatov would be a nice replacement if either of fehr or flash demands to much.

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I'm not that impressed with Filatov,. Fehr is a better player to have

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filatov would be a nice replacement if either of fehr or flash demands to much.
The rights to Filatov are a replacement for no one. I'd rather have a bird in the hand, especially if that bird is Eric Fehr.

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Roster building / cap management thread

I'm intrigued by Filatov in return for, like, basically nothing. You certainly don't give up a 20-goal player for a maybe. A pick and/or Gustafsson, maybe. Not very much.

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I'm amazed Filatov has fallen so far in the collective consciousness. I'd do Fehr plus a first for him any time. Fehr's going to be a good player in this league for a while, but Filatov has the potential to truly replace Alex Semin. No one else in the Caps organization has that kind of ability.

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Ability is one thing, drive is another....and they're stacked at LW (and, really, both wings) as it is.

If they're moving Fehr and the first it should be for a second-line center.

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Maybe we can create some sort of anti-jinx.

Marcus Johannson is not ready to be a 2nd line center.

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I'm amazed Filatov has fallen so far in the collective consciousness. I'd do Fehr plus a first for him any time. Fehr's going to be a good player in this league for a while, but Filatov has the potential to truly replace Alex Semin. No one else in the Caps organization has that kind of ability.
I'd keep Fehr if possible, but yeah, if we have a realistic shot at getting Filatov (and if GMGM gets the chance to really evaluate his situation, actually talk to him ahead of time and make sure he's not too much of a risk, etc.), then boy I hope GMGM shows some interest.

Trade for Filatov
Consider shopping Semin (maybe for D) or keep him through this contract and let him go when he prices himself out of our range.

All of the sudden you've, potentially, put off a major cap issue for another few years. You can afford to let Semin go when you've got someone who, stylistically and in terms of skill, is probably a little bit of development away from being a natural successor.

I know, it's not realistic, but wouldn't it be fun?

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I'm less concerned with center 2-3 years out than I am with wing. I see a couple of potential second line centers in the organization, but not a lot of potential second line wingers. And Fehr, Flash and Laich may be pricing themselves off the team at that point.

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I'd only move Fehr in a package for a 2C or a top-4 D. That guy is good, getting better, and plays a gritty game.

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I'm amazed Filatov has fallen so far in the collective consciousness. I'd do Fehr plus a first for him any time. Fehr's going to be a good player in this league for a while, but Filatov has the potential to truly replace Alex Semin. No one else in the Caps organization has that kind of ability.
I will counter that I am amazed that people so slightly value proven 20+ goal scorers who are currently producing in this league, on lesser ice time to boot. That is a rare skill and not one to be shed lightly.

Should Fehr or Fleischmann be untouchable? Certainly not. Yet the price ought to be high as hell, for proven talent with some years left (be it under contract or RFA rights). Filatov has potential, but he's a wild card and a player who has yet to deliver at the NHL level. He has value, but he carries risk.

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This probably isn't the right place for this, but does anyone actually buy that McPhee offered Flash, Alzner, and a pick for Kaberle?

I sure don't.

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no...not at all.

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Nope. That one smells like the Toronto media biting on a flimsy rumor, taking the best possible permutation of mentioned assets, packaging them together and calling it a formal offer that a team made to Burke, and printing it. The hockey media up there is real cutthroat.

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I dunno. I tend to believe it to an extent.

Once the alleged Kaberle deal was dead...Corvo was the back up plan.

Now was Flash and Alzner offered? That I don't know I believe...but I don't think the plan was to have this many forwards going into the playoffs.

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I definitely think that McPhee was sniffing around all the major defensemen on the block, and that he had formal discussions with all the GMs involved, yet that series of assets, presented as a package? Don't believe it. Any offers probably involved one of the two.

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Agree...I am more inclined to think that might have been Burke's price and the reason it didnt happen.

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I will counter that I am amazed that people so slightly value proven 20+ goal scorers who are currently producing in this league, on lesser ice time to boot. That is a rare skill and not one to be shed lightly.

Should Fehr or Fleischmann be untouchable? Certainly not. Yet the price ought to be high as hell, for proven talent with some years left (be it under contract or RFA rights). Filatov has potential, but he's a wild card and a player who has yet to deliver at the NHL level. He has value, but he carries risk.
I get all of that, but A) I'm still not a Fehr believer, B) the salary difference between RFAs and UFAs isn't as much as some people make it out to be, and C) Filatov is a potential replacement for Semin, not Fehr or Flash. The only way the Caps are going to get their hands on top 10 talent in a draft any time soon is if they trade for it, and Filatov appears to be available.

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Ok...lets go this route.

Lets say that deal did happened. Flash, Alzner, pick for Kaberle.

Lets say the other two deals happened. Belanger and Walker.

Do the Caps have a better shot at winning the cup with Kaberle over Corvo...this year and next (Since Kaberle has that extra year)?

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Ok...lets go this route.

Lets say that deal did happened. Flash, Alzner, pick for Kaberle.

Lets say the other two deals happened. Belanger and Walker.

Do the Caps have a better shot at winning the cup with Kaberle over Corvo...this year and next (Since Kaberle has that extra year)?
I go with a yes for this year. If one thinks that Ovie/Knuble/Semin/Laich are good enough as the top 4 wingers then the loss of Flash as a 3rd liner is more than made up for in the difference between Kaberle and Corvo. That also opens up more PP time for Fehr which I'd like to see.

Next year, Flash would be gone and Kaberle's $4.25M would be on the books. Morrison and Belanger would both potentially be gone, and you've got some holes to fill and decisions to make. I guess it depends on what they do as far as 2C and 3C considering the other raises that need to be given out. I'll go with undecided as far as next year goes I guess.

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Ok...lets go this route.

Lets say that deal did happened. Flash, Alzner, pick for Kaberle.

Lets say the other two deals happened. Belanger and Walker.

Do the Caps have a better shot at winning the cup with Kaberle over Corvo...this year and next (Since Kaberle has that extra year)?
This year? Yes.

Next year? No. Kaberle's cap hit and Backstrom's extension would likely eliminate much of the team's depth. Give me a guy who's strength is defensive instead of offensive and PK instead of PP, and I'd be singing a different tune.

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