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03-22-2010, 08:15 PM
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Forward Lines Post Carter's Injury - Possible Call Ups?

Obviously we plug in Leino, but I personally would scratch Powe in lieu of a scorer from the AHL to try and compensate some of the scoring lost by Carter. I know we have lackluster scoring on the Phantoms, so please don't make this a "Our prospects are a bunch of 3rd/4th line potential scrubs" thread (I'm looking at you NWO).

Possible prospects to bring up:

Legein:
Positives: good scoring touch, fast, I envision an Upshall-esque player (maybe that is just me missing Scottie, though?)

Negatives: low assist totals (maybe due to his team sucking?), new to the organization so may not be first on the call-up list, even if he is the most deserving.

Maroon:
Positives: big body with scoring touch that we desperately need (Hi, Hartnell).

Negatives: has been injured alot this year, don't know if he is back at full speed since I don't watch many Phantoms games (I also hear his full speed isn't very fast )

Laliberte:
Positives: he scored a couple last time he was called up

Negatives: kind of think those were flukes.

Matsumoto:
Positives: most accomplished point producer on the Phantoms for the last few years, a center (to replace a center lost), would be playing for his NHL life after being shackled in the AHL

Negatives: the organization obviously hates him for some reason

Pyorala:
Positives: would be a good 3rd line checking role with decent scoring capability

Negatives: been there, done that


Of that list I would personally like to see Matsumoto. The forward lines would then be:

Gagne - Richards - Briere
JVR - Giroux - Leino
Hartnell - Matsumoto - Asham
Carcillo - Betts - Lappy

or

Gagne - Richards - Carcillo
JVR - Giroux - Briere
Hartnell - Matsumoto - Leino
Asham - Betts - Lappy

I personally like the 2nd set of lines because the first line has shown alot of chemistry when put together, as have Briere and Giroux in last year's playoffs.

They most likely will just put Powe instead of calling someone up (because, as has been well documented, Homer is an idiot), but I we could at least discuss the possibilities of a slightly greener pasture to distract us from the dark reality.

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03-22-2010, 08:25 PM
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Quick thing, Legein plays with Nodl. Legein has tremendous vision (from what I have seen the past few games and other past games), but gets left out to dry cause his linemates cant finish.

That being said, I am already predicting what will happen.

The lines will be:

Gagne-Richards-Carcillo
Hartnell-Giroux-Briere
JVR-Powe-Leino
Asham-Betts-Lappy

Its almost a given. That being said, this isnt what I want. First off, I know he is everyones boy around here, Carcillo shouldnt be playing with point guys like Richards and Gagne. Second, it seems that the management has ZERO faith in our prospects. Instead of calling up guys like Matsumoto, Maroon, or Legein, we will see some guys like Nodl, Laliberte, Kalinski and Ross get called up. And before even that, Cote will get his playing time.

Its been this way all season long.

What I want to see:

Gagne-Richards-Briere
JVR-Giroux-Legein
Leino-Powe-Hartnell
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy

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Great post.

Can somebody break out the hand puppets and explain to me why Maroon hasn't been given a chance?...I know we're crowded at left wing but I'd love to see him get a shot.


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This is a tricky situation. I don't think it matters either way. None of the AHLers are really gonna replace Carter (and I know you weren't suggesting that). I'm just saying that Powe=Leino=Leigen=Maroon=etc. None of them are going to provide any sort of "spark" on the offense. That being said I would like to see some of the young AHLers get a chance, I just don't think it will make a difference. I just hope they can string together a few wins and have the Thrashers or Bruins tank a little. That way Carter can be back by the playoffs.

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Great post.

I'd love to see Maroon get a shot.
11 goals in the ahl Maroon? He has had a bad year for injuries, and is having a down year in the AHL, he wont help us.

Legien, Pyorala or no one for me at this point

We need to go back to 2 scoring lines.

Gagne-Richards-Giroux
JVR-Briere-Hartnell
Leino-Powe-Pyorala
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy
Asham

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11 goals in the ahl Maroon? He has had a bad year for injuries, and is having a down year in the AHL, he wont help us.

Legien, Pyorala or no one for me at this point

We need to go back to 2 scoring lines.

Gagne-Richards-Giroux
JVR-Briere-Hartnell
Leino-Powe-Pyorala
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy
Asham
I'm down with those lines.

Thanks for the Maroon feedback.

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Probably not calling up anyone. Move Giroux up to the 2nd line, put Powe and center and insert Leino. This is a reason you carry an extra forward.

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Probably not calling up anyone. Move Giroux up to the 2nd line, put Powe and center and insert Leino. This is a reason you carry an extra forward.
especially when that extra forward isn't Cote.

I wouldn't mind seeing Pyorala back up, and keep Asham on the bench. We could use the PK duties to replace Carter

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Great post.

Can somebody break out the hand puppets and explain to me why Maroon hasn't been given a chance?...I know we're crowded at left wing but I'd love to see him get a shot.
he's had some injury issues this year, and he's still working on his skating. Maybe if he works hard in the offseason, he'll get a look in TC

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Probably not calling up anyone. Move Giroux up to the 2nd line, put Powe and center and insert Leino. This is a reason you carry an extra forward.
My argument is that our 13th forward (Powe) is more of a energy line/checker guy. We just lost our top scorer, wouldn't it make a bit of sense to try and call up a Legein or a Matsumoto to try and offset at least some of the offense Carter would have provided?

If Lappy had gotten injured I would say Powe should take his spot, but we already can't score, 8 bottom 6 forwards (Asham, Carcillo, Lappy, Betts, Powe, Leino, Hartnell, an obviously worn-out JVR) isn't going to help. Gagne, Giroux, Richards and Briere barely makes one top scoring line, let alone two

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My argument is that our 13th forward (Powe) is more of a energy line/checker guy. We just lost our top scorer, wouldn't it make a bit of sense to try and call up a Legein or a Matsumoto to try and offset at least some of the offense Carter would have provided?

If Lappy had gotten injured I would say Powe should take his spot, but we already can't score, 8 bottom 6 forwards (Asham, Carcillo, Lappy, Betts, Powe, Leino, Hartnell, an obviously worn-out JVR) isn't going to help. Gagne, Giroux, Richards and Briere barely makes one top scoring line, let alone two
Matsumoto would have 0 impact on this team. Pyroala is one I wouldnt back up, maybe he and Leino can have some finnish chemistry

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We now have six scorers and six role players on the NHL roster. Let's not **** that up by calling up a supposed scorer. Pyorala would be fine as a 13th to stick in in case of emergency, but none of the other guys are worth it. Maybe Kalinski if an energy guy goes down.

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We now have six scorers and six role players on the NHL roster. Let's not **** that up by calling up a supposed scorer. Pyorala would be fine as a 13th to stick in in case of emergency, but none of the other guys are worth it. Maybe Kalinski if an energy guy goes down.
I agree. I might put Pyro in right now over Asham though, for the PK especially

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We now have six scorers and six role players on the NHL roster. Let's not **** that up by calling up a supposed scorer. Pyorala would be fine as a 13th to stick in in case of emergency, but none of the other guys are worth it. Maybe Kalinski if an energy guy goes down.
Can you name those six scorers please?

Do they include 2 of:
stone-hands Hartnell
Detroit's 13th forward, Leino
a very worn-out JVR

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Can you name those six scorers please?

Do they include 2 of:
stone-hands Hartnell
Detroit's 13th forward, Leino
a very worn-out JVR

??
Briere
Richards
Gagne
Giroux
JVR (whether or not you think he's beat up, he can still score)

Hartnell is a toss-up honestly, but I can put faith in these guys to get the job done. I think Carcillo will have a huge playoffs, personally.

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I haven't seen him play but I'd really like to see Legein get a call up. I hear he has great speed, hands and vision and is a very aggressive forechecker. I have no interest in any of Ross, Laliberte, Nodl, Pyorala or Maroon. I think we need another winger who can really move and we have enough centers with NHL experience anyway.

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I would like to see these lines.

Gagne-Briere-Hartnell
JVR-Richards-Giroux
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy
Leino-Powe-Asham

How much worse could this season get considering what we expexted it to be? i dont think anyone is mistaking us for a contender at this point, so we might as well mix it up and try new things.

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I agree. I might put Pyro in right now over Asham though, for the PK especially
Pyorala should have been in the lineup the whole time. Dress Asham every 10th game and hope it's the one he shows up for.

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If Legein is injured give me Jon Kalinski on 4th line.

1. Gagne Richards Carcillo
2. Hartnell Briere Leino
3. JVR Giroux Powe
4. Kalinski Betts Lappy

I would switch players around between 2nd and 3rd lines.

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powe has doem nothing recently. he wouldnt be missed in the leats. he is a 4th lien player who gets exposed playing more minutes than he shoudl

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Why not?

Gagne - Richards - JVR
Powe/Leino - Giroux - Briere (worked last year with Powe)
Hartnell - Asham/Lappy - Carcillo (NASTY, I think Asham played center before??)
Leino/Powe - Betts - Lappy/Asham

or:

Hartnell - Richards - JVR
Gagne - Giroux - Carcillo (If Carcillo can keep up)
Powe - Briere - Leino
Asham - Betts - Lappy

But I'm guessing that it will probably be:

Gagne - Richards - Carcillo
Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
JVR - Powe - Asham/Leino
Leino/Asham - Betts - Leppy

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powe has doem nothing recently. he wouldnt be missed in the leats. he is a 4th lien player who gets exposed playing more minutes than he shoudl
How dare you? Talk about mighty Powe like that?

Do you know what Flyers record is with him in the line up?


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I'd leave Gags, Richie and Carcillo alone so that leaves
Hartnell Briere Leino JVR Giroux as your offense and rest as your 2 way/dforwards

I'd go
Hartnell Briere Leino
JVR Giroux Powe
Asham Betts Lappy


quite frankly I'll take any lineup that wins a game though

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I'd leave Gags, Richie and Carcillo alone so that leaves
Hartnell Briere Leino JVR Giroux as your offense and rest as your 2 way/dforwards

I'd go
Hartnell Briere Leino
JVR Giroux Powe
Asham Betts Lappy


quite frankly I'll take any lineup that wins a game though

How much happier is this fan base with JVR-Giroux-Legein as opposed to JVR-Giroux-Powe... seriously, Powe is not a good offensive threat, he would ruin that line. Why not call someone up with some scoring touch? Even if the Phantoms suck and our prospects aren't lighting the world on fire there has to be one or two that can handle the puck better than a fringe 4th line/AHL call up like Powe.

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My lines.

Gagne - Richards - Carcillo (Gagne/Richards connection with the agitator)
JVR - Giroux - Briere (skill and speed)
Hartnell - Powe - Leino (size, forechecking and some skill)
Asham - Betts - Lappy (awesomness and Asham)

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