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03-23-2010, 02:51 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_i...Age_Categories
Mite (ages 3-4)
Tyke (ages 5-6)
Novice (ages 7-8)
Atom (ages 9-10)
Peewee (ages 11-12)
Bantam (ages 13-14)
Midget (ages 15-17)
Juvenile (ages 18-20)

unless he's called John Tavares I dont think they can draft Bantam
In the WHL players are drafted out of Bantam, and in the OHL and QMJHL the players are drafted out of Midget. The WHL draft is called the Bantam draft if I am not mistaken. The players drafted are the same ages anyway.

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Where do players in the OHL or WHL come from?

Reminds me of an old joke:

Little Boy: "Mom, where do babies come from?"

Mom (unsure how to answer him): Why, they come from the stork son.

Little Boy: Yeah I know, Mom. But who ----s the stork?

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the whl drafts kids a year younger than the ohl and qmjhl do.

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The WHL has a bantam draft (kids born in 1995 are major bantams this year so they're the ones that will go in the WHL entry draft this year) and the QMJHL and OHL have Midget drafts, although the kids are getting picked are mostly minor midgets (born in 1994 this year). Even though they get drafted a full year earlier, kids can't play in the WHL until their midget team or whatever team they play on for their 15 year old season has their season ended. Kids in the OHL and QMJHL can go right into the league after being drafted, so that would be 16 year olds so high school kids. Although the majority of CHL players aren't full time rookies until they're at least 17, as they usually play a lower level of junior (Jr. B or provincial Jr. A) as a 16 year old or even Major Midget.

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Pretty sure that for every year in the WHL, they get a year of Canadian University paid for, so after most guys careers are done, they can still go to college.

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03-23-2010, 03:23 PM
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Pretty sure that for every year in the WHL, they get a year of Canadian University paid for, so after most guys careers are done, they can still go to college.
Not even, initially signing with the squad guarentees you 1 year of paid schooling. After that for every year you play at least one game (preseason included) you gain another year of schooling. So if you were to play only one preseason game a year from 15-20 you would have a six year free ride at any university in Canada that would accept your marks. This is why the CHL is so appealing, the players have the ability to focus strictly on hockey in one of the best (if not best) junior leagues in the world, and after if they do not continue with proffesional hockey they have free schooling.

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Pretty sure that for every year in the WHL, they get a year of Canadian University paid for, so after most guys careers are done, they can still go to college.
If you're an American playing in the CHL, can you get tuition paid for at an American University?

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If you're an American playing in the CHL, can you get tuition paid for at an American University?
I don't know but I hope not.

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If you're an American playing in the CHL, can you get tuition paid for at an American University?
No, it is for Canadian University only.

Also, if a player is to play one game at a pro level then their scholorship opportunity is then revoked.

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I don't know but I hope not.
why?

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No, it is for Canadian University only.

Also, if a player is to play one game at a pro level then their scholorship opportunity is then revoked.
That's a bit harsh, imo.

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AKA lebron james and kobe bryant
It is a little bit different when you drop out to get a contract that is more than an NHL player will probably make his entire career and most likely his lifetime. LeBron James is at $15M per year and rakes in nearly $80M per year including endorsements and investments. Kobe Bryant's base salary is $24M, while Crosby is at $9M. I understand that injuries happen and I am a major proponent of education, but some people just have different skills and priorities. If you don't like sitting in Pre-Calc, imagine how much these athletic superstars loathed going to class when they could be crafting their trade. You finish high school because it gives you a better chance to be successful in the non-athletic realm, while these guys do not finish because getting drafted and ready for Rookie Year is the next step in their career. Also, there isn't really a complex farm system in the NBA, like the NHL and MLB have in North America.

Kobe Bryant is pretty intelligent, he is fluent in Italian, Spanish and English in addition to bits and pieces of French and Farsi. Kobe Bryant is one of the hardest working athletes on the planet, there is no way he takes for granted the great deal of success he has already accomplished. Some people just have different skills, Kobe Bryant just happens to be really really really good at scoring the basketball and winning Championships.

LeBron on the other hand...

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why?
Because US universities are substantially more expensive than Canadian ones.

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Do they come straight out of high school or college. Also, why do players play up there if they can go to a college to play hockey. Im just curious to find out these answers.
IMO CHL hockey is better development. NCAA hockey will teach you how to become a good person, CHL will teach you how to become a good hockey player. Look up your favourite Canadian players, and you;ll see they all stay up here.

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This thread is clearly trying to trigger an argument between which route is better. I can't believe anybody actually bothered answering the question. This thread belongs on the prospects board and should be merged with the LENGTHY thread on the subject.
I hope you're not serious. From quick looks at the responses, it seems like a good amount of posters are legitimately confused as to how the minor league route works out before players go to the pros.

Christ. Not everyone on HFBoards is looking to start drama. Don't be so quick to assume that everyone here is out to get other people.

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03-23-2010, 07:53 PM
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The good thing is, you can't go wrong with either route, unless your such a fringe CHL player that you only play a season. But chances are if that's the case, you wouldn't get a full NCAA scholarship.

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But do you only get that schooling paid by CHL teams after you conclude your junior career?
or do you go to post-secondary school while playing games on game day for your CHL club

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It's weird that juniors players have zero college when they are playing. For many of these guys who never make it to the NHL, I wonder how late they begin their college careers.

I like the NCAA system, and it has been improving recently. I hope some day the NCAA hockey program catches up to Canadian juniors. It will be nice to see more hockey players pursue a degree while preparing for a professional hockey career. Plus when they're done playing, they won't have to worry about going to school before they can work again.
One thing that should be kept in mind is the logistics behind the NCAA. First you need a large University for fans to bring in big money, which lets them build big stadiums and professional coaching & development staff. Here's the question though, how many big Universities are there in the US compared to Canada? I guess our University teams could play against competition across the border, but by ourselves it's too few and far apart.

The CHL on the other hand takes the Junior games out of the big cities and puts them in small cities across the country, giving much better exposure as seen in this WHL map:



If we went by large University's there'd be 4, maybe 5 dots on there.

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But do you only get that schooling paid by CHL teams after you conclude your junior career?
or do you go to post-secondary school while playing games on game day for your CHL club
From what I gather in this thread, it works like this:

You get tuition to any Canadian university after you complete your junior hockey career.

You get tuition for each season in which you played at least one game.

You forfeit this tuition if you go on to play any form of professional hockey.



This to me, sucks for anyone who is not Canadian.

If I'm an American hockey player, after my juniors career is over, I'd want to come and live at home (back in the US). Well, your tuition is no good at American universities. So you have the option of either paying for your own schooling or going to school in Canada, which you may not want to do.

Of course this also obviously means that no matter what you will not be attending college during your hockey career. So when you're done (with your professional career), you'll probably have to go attend college anyway.

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From what I gather in this thread, it works like this:

You get tuition to any Canadian university after you complete your junior hockey career.
Not 100% true. If your old enough and far enough in your studies, you can do your university when you are in the CHL. However most players aren't old enough until their final year or two.

Remember 16 year olds start in the CHL and NCAA takes college age players, the major difference.

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To confirm, the tuition and books for every season played is to a Canadian institution only. Players who have already graduated from high school do not have to attend college right away. Players who have a chance at pro hockey often do not go right into college so they can focus all their energy on hockey. High school aged players must attend class. It's also not unheard of (though it doesn't happen often) for players to get suspended or cut by a team for academic reasons. Some teams also hire tutors who travel with them on long road trips.

Why would a US player not want to attend a Canadian post-secondary institution? It's not like our schools are worse than US schools. You can get an education just as good up here that is far cheaper.

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First off players absolutely have deals where they can go to an American university after their CHL careers. The league bylaws garauntee that you will get at bare minimum money towards a Canadian education. However, lots of star American players when coming up negotiate American tuition in their contract when signing.

Secondly, lots of CHL players go to college and university while they play hockey. The OHL has an award specifically for academic achievement at college/university.

There are some pluses and minuses to going either route, but not going to college/university is absolutely not a minus for the CHL.

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Why would a US player not want to attend a Canadian post-secondary institution? It's not like our schools are worse than US schools. You can get an education just as good up here that is far cheaper.
alot of people come from the states and other countries for schooling in canada that playing hockey
i lived with a guy who came straight from Beijing to get in to ivy at western and a girl from Indiana who went to western to go for something like a doctor
the schooling is just as good in canada like someone else said

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