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03-23-2010, 12:58 AM
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34. Chet Pickard

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That's Nice, I'm really looking forward to seeing Blum play lots of good comments about him so hopefully I'll get to see him next season

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That's Nice, I'm really looking forward to seeing Blum play lots of good comments about him so hopefully I'll get to see him next season
Same here, i think this kid has a lot of potential.

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Weber-Suter
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Same here, i think this kid has a lot of potential.

My wish d pairs

Weber-Suter
Blum-Franson
Ellis-Josi
i was actually thinking about next season D pairings and well i would love to see

Weber-Suter
Bouillon-Klein
Franson-Blum <- Start grooming them into next Weber-Suter

Franson needs to work on his speed tough...


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Same here, i think this kid has a lot of potential.

My wish d pairs

Weber-Suter
Blum-Franson
Ellis-Josi
Hi guys new user here
How soon do you think Roman Josi will be playing regularly for the preds. Next season, two, three seasons from now?

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How soon do you think Roman Josi will be playing regularly for the preds. Next season, two, three seasons from now?

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Welcome aboard! Josi is scheduled to come over to North America next season and join the Milwaukee Admirals (AHL). From there, it will depend on how quickly he adapts to the smaller ice surface and proves his talents.

I could see him getting a look possibly as early as late next season, but more likely the following year and when he is able to make the jump to the NHL full-time will only be determined by him...

Josi is one of my favorite prospects...

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Franson needs to work on his speed tough...
Does anyone know of a player who noticeably increased their speed after they made the NHL? Because I hear this a lot, that a guy is a good prospect or player but "needs to increase their speed" and I can't recall it happening, but of course I only know a tiny percentage of the players careers, 1 percent lol.

A guy who makes the NHL has been skating for 15 to 20 years, probably training hard for 8 to 10 years, yet coaches want them to get faster. Wilson said a couple years ago he worked really hard to improve his skating because he was told that needed work. And he said he did make nice gains. But now? Trotz said preseason that he could improve his speed but that's all he saw. And I'm thinking "sorry coach, Wilson is probably about where his speed is going to be" because I jsut doubt players get faster after this age.

But maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong it makes me wonder why Franson (or Wilson) weren't working on their speed already. I haven't heard anyone say "Wow, look at Franson! He's so much faster than last year!"

I think "improve their speed" is almost a false hope once they reach the NHL. It would be very tough to change skating techinique after 15-20 years of skating a certain way. Of course, as I said, Wilson says he did improve a couple years back. Yet Trotz still mentions looking for more...

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Welcome aboard! Josi is scheduled to come over to North America next season and join the Milwaukee Admirals (AHL). From there, it will depend on how quickly he adapts to the smaller ice surface and proves his talents.

I could see him getting a look possibly as early as late next season, but more likely the following year and when he is able to make the jump to the NHL full-time will only be determined by him...

Josi is one of my favorite prospects...
I am really looking forward to seeing him play, I was really disappointed when he got injured before the Olympics.
My favourite prospect has to be Chet Pickard!

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Does anyone know of a player who noticeably increased their speed after they made the NHL? Because I hear this a lot, that a guy is a good prospect or player but "needs to increase their speed" and I can't recall it happening, but of course I only know a tiny percentage of the players careers, 1 percent lol.

A guy who makes the NHL has been skating for 15 to 20 years, probably training hard for 8 to 10 years, yet coaches want them to get faster. Wilson said a couple years ago he worked really hard to improve his skating because he was told that needed work. And he said he did make nice gains. But now? Trotz said preseason that he could improve his speed but that's all he saw. And I'm thinking "sorry coach, Wilson is probably about where his speed is going to be" because I jsut doubt players get faster after this age.

But maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong it makes me wonder why Franson (or Wilson) weren't working on their speed already. I haven't heard anyone say "Wow, look at Franson! He's so much faster than last year!"

I think "improve their speed" is almost a false hope once they reach the NHL. It would be very tough to change skating techinique after 15-20 years of skating a certain way. Of course, as I said, Wilson says he did improve a couple years back. Yet Trotz still mentions looking for more...
You Sure bring up valid points, maybe my statement was more of a hope that it would be possible, because i really like Franson, but his speed is one of his weaknesses and it really showed in the last game aswell...

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I am really looking forward to seeing him play, I was really disappointed when he got injured before the Olympics.
My favourite prospect has to be Chet Pickard!
Me too. I thought he was the best defenseman in the WJC's for the Swiss (on par with Sbisa at a minimum) and was disappointed that he missed the rest of the tournament and was really looking forward to watching him up against men at the Olympics, but it just wasn't to be...

Josi has rejoined Bern and has scored some really nice goals in their first round victory over Lugano...

Pickard is definitely another top prospect. Needs to find consistency, but is still very young and loaded with potential...

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You Sure bring up valid points, maybe my statement was more of a hope that it would be possible, because i really like Franson, but his speed is one of his weaknesses and it really showed in the last game aswell...
Yeah, I wish for it as well. But I just don't expect it to happen.

Back a decade or two ago when skating camps and coaching became more sophisticated I had heard of NHL players improving their skating quite a bit. Because some of them had never had that high quality instruction, and just learned skating by trial and error. And some of the video stuff made coaching better then ever. But now, guys like Wilson and Franson have had high quality coaching on skating technique for years. I think most of their limitations are physical. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Back in the early days of the franchise we had tough guy/goon Patrick Cote for a season. That summer he went overseas somewhere, Sweden or something, to get coaching and said the whole off-season was spent working on his skating because he knew it was not up to par. He said he'd made big improvements. Well, that season he looked about the same as ever to my eyes, which wasn't great, lol. He was shortly out of the NHL.

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Does anyone know of a player who noticeably increased their speed after they made the NHL? Because I hear this a lot, that a guy is a good prospect or player but "needs to increase their speed" and I can't recall it happening, but of course I only know a tiny percentage of the players careers, 1 percent lol.

A guy who makes the NHL has been skating for 15 to 20 years, probably training hard for 8 to 10 years, yet coaches want them to get faster. Wilson said a couple years ago he worked really hard to improve his skating because he was told that needed work. And he said he did make nice gains. But now? Trotz said preseason that he could improve his speed but that's all he saw. And I'm thinking "sorry coach, Wilson is probably about where his speed is going to be" because I jsut doubt players get faster after this age.

But maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong it makes me wonder why Franson (or Wilson) weren't working on their speed already. I haven't heard anyone say "Wow, look at Franson! He's so much faster than last year!"

I think "improve their speed" is almost a false hope once they reach the NHL. It would be very tough to change skating techinique after 15-20 years of skating a certain way. Of course, as I said, Wilson says he did improve a couple years back. Yet Trotz still mentions looking for more...
oh you can improve your skating. it all depends on your drive to do so. not only can you tweak the stride to make it better....especially skating backwards but you can also work on strength and foot speed. that is the type of stuff that the strength and conditioning coach can improve on.

Hartnell got a skating coach one summer and it helped him.

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Franson may not get much faster but with experience will come better positioning and getting beat less because of it. The pace is much faster in the NHL than the AHL and considering he's a rookie, he's done well to adapt and his partners have helped him when he has gotten burned. If he picks up a little speed with the experience he's gaining, he'll be fine. His one big advantage is his tremendous reach. That will also be a huge asset to him.

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Franson may not get much faster but with experience will come better positioning and getting beat less because of it. The pace is much faster in the NHL than the AHL and considering he's a rookie, he's done well to adapt and his partners have helped him when he has gotten burned. If he picks up a little speed with the experience he's gaining, he'll be fine. His one big advantage is his tremendous reach. That will also be a huge asset to him.
It's hard to compare guys when they're not out on the ice together in the same situation, but when Traffic Cone was here, a guy with equal sloooowness to Franson, being burned was dead. It seems like when Franson gets burned, there is either a little better recovery or his partner (as you point out) is covering for him making it not seem as bad. It's also possible, that his reach (again, as you point out) is both altering slightly the angle and speed of the attacker and altering the ending of the play by increasing Franson's sphere of defensive influence upon recovery in the play. I think he'll be fine with time to develop and as long as he has a complimentary d partner..

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sphere of defensive influence? that's awesome. is that a technical term or something you just made up because I love it.

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i was actually thinking about next season D pairings and well i would love to see

Weber-Suter
Bouillon-Klein
Franson-Blum <- Start grooming them into next Weber-Suter

Franson needs to work on his speed tough...
Thats the thing about Franson. He has a lot of potential of being another bigger Weber. He has a great shot, good stick skills for his big frame and really good on defense. And if im correct I think he is the highest on the team in plus/minus. +14 i think.

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sphere of defensive influence? that's awesome. is that a technical term or something you just made up because I love it.


Stream of consciousness......one does not question the creative process.

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That was awesome.....

In fact, your whole post was very eloquent! I think it describes Franson to a T.

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How is the Admirals doing this year? Maybe Blum will be up during the playoffs?

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