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03-27-2010, 06:29 AM
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What were you expecting? Mark Messier? The guy wasn't brought in to be a major factor. He is a role player and it was a move for depth for the playoffs. Halpern will help the Kings in the playoffs even if it means that he'll be a warm body if somebody gets hurt. I'd rather have him as an insurance policy than calling up somebody from Manchester.

Good for Tampa on hosing the Kings on that deal if that is your take. He wasn't going anywhere on the Kings team, would have been moved in the offseason (more than likely) and the Kings were going to make depth moves at the deadline. Better that Purcell is gone and not one of the prospects that the Kings will need.

I swear some of you guys are the biggest whiners. Who gives two ***** about Teddy Purcell. He didn't do **** for this team and that is why he is in Tampa Bay and good for him if he is the wind beneath Vinny Lecavalier's wings. I don't see the relevance in what Teddy is doing now. We all know why he isn't here and that is all that matters.
Wasn't expecting Messier. Have no idea where you came up with that one.

However, I was expecting something and so far he's shown me SFA. As far as depth goes. Give me Parse, Moller or Clune over from what I've seen of Halpern any day.

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03-27-2010, 06:41 AM
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This is reminding me of the thread on O'Sullivan or Williams.

I'd rather have Williams and Halpern...in the playoffs.

And really, that's all that matters. I don't care about regular season points.

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Williams I can see. That's a no brainer.

What exactly are you expecting Halpern to do for the Kings in the playoffs. He's not doing anything now, so what do you really think he's going to bring to the table come playoff time.

I'm really not trying to be sarcastic but I've heard quite a few people say we have Halpern for the playoffs. What does this mean? Like I said, what is he going to do in the playoffs that's any different than what he's doing now?

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03-27-2010, 01:16 PM
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... Yeah, as for Purcell -- what's done is done. It's obvious he wasn't in the team's future plans, and I wouldn't have had a problem with him being traded if it were not for an unproductive player at the obvious end of his rope in Halpern.

I find it silly to crow about Halpern's 8 minutes of supposedly effective PK time when he's played 100 minutes of decidedly ineffective 5-on-5 time. He's been poor on faceoffs, he's been invisible along the wall, he rarely hits anyone, and he has all of 4 shots on goal in the 10 games he's played.

He's touted as a PK specialist but he averages about as much PK time per game (48 seconds/G) as Ryan Smyth (42 seconds/G). So, are we calling Ryan Smyth a PK specialist as well? Let's just get some clarification here. Randy Jones sees 45 seconds per game on the PK. He's a defensive specialist? Handzus, Kopitar, Frolov, Stoll, Richardson, and Modin all get the PK nod before Halpern if we're going strictly by time per game for the Kings' forwards.

As for being solid in the room, no one knows that but the players IN that room -- and again, it goes back to the question of -- how useful is veteran leadership from players who can't get the job done on the ice anymore? It's the same tired argument here. Halpern is right in the mold of the Scott Thorntons, the Alyn McCauleys, the Brian Willsies; those useless has-been losing players that Lombardi seems to have this silly and confounding fondness for ... it is baffling that he can't (or won't) quite see where the leadership of this team is generated.
HA! I was hoping you'd swing by with some pertinent stats against Halpern in my support. I thought about doing the legwork but I'm just too lazy to go digging for stats. I don't know if it's the lack of minutes or his heart just isn't in it but the guy really hasn't delivered much of anything. Of course, it's still early and things can change. Well, here's to hoping.

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03-27-2010, 02:12 PM
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What exactly are you expecting Halpern to do for the Kings in the playoffs. He's not doing anything now, so what do you really think he's going to bring to the table come playoff time.

what is he going to do in the playoffs that's any different than what he's doing now?
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I don't know if it's the lack of minutes or his heart just isn't in it but the guy really hasn't delivered much of anything.
... I think it's a case of Halpern not being able to do any wrong because A) he was the return from trading the team's perceived scapegoat at the time, B) he is a veteran, so people assume he's a leader of some sort, and C) he's not expected to do much of anything on the ice except stay on his skates until the better players are rested and ready to go back out again. No expectations = no possibility for failure.

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... I think it's a case of Halpern not being able to do any wrong because A) he was the return from trading the team's perceived scapegoat at the time, B) he is a veteran, so people assume he's a leader of some sort, and C) he's not expected to do much of anything on the ice except stay on his skates until the better players are rested and ready to go back out again. No expectations = no possibility for failure.
Once again, spot on! Especially the one about trading the scapegoat. We basically traded away a guy who didn't play or didn't produce when he did play for a guy who isn't producing either but at least plays every game because he's a veteran.

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Are we still talking about Purcell?

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I wonder how many of you cried like this when the Kings dealt away Vitali Yachmenev. I'm sure this is the same group of rational fans who thought the same of Yannick Lehoux and Pavel Rosa. Minor league stars who had a short spurt of success in the NHL. Some things never change.

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I wonder how many of you cried like this when the Kings dealt away Vitali Yachmenev. I'm sure this is the same group of rational fans who thought the same of Yannick Lehoux and Pavel Rosa. Minor league stars who had a short spurt of success in the NHL. Some things never change.
No one is crying or whining but just stating the facts and opinions. You're just tired of hearing of TP so therefore, it may sound like crying but we're just discussing.

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At the end of the day, he did zilch in a Kings uniform. There is no reason to talk about what could have been. Had he been a regular fixture on the Kings' top six, then I'm afraid this team wouldn't be in contention for a playoff spot. You don't win playoff games with the likes of him. Nothing more needs to be discussed.

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No one is crying or whining but just stating the facts and opinions. You're just tired of hearing of TP so therefore, it may sound like crying but we're just discussing.
So its a fact that veteran leadership and depth on the PK is not important to a playoff team? Because this dispute stems largely from your, Shrimp's and JT's disturbance over prefering a youth to a vet, and not seeing any signifigance in having a player who is good in the room (because you guys refuse to believe this for some reason) and that apparently only the top PK minutes getters are the important ones who are actually contributing.

Effectively the three of you have said that depth isn't important. You may prefer Parse as depth and call it depth but it isn't. Halpern may not do a lot of dazzling things, the way Parse can on occassion, but he doesn't make stupid rookie mistakes, like Parse, Moller and Purcell do, which is why they aren't the kind of depth you want in the playoffs.

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At the end of the day, he did zilch in a Kings uniform. There is no reason to talk about what could have been. Had he been a regular fixture on the Kings' top six, then I'm afraid this team wouldn't be in contention for a playoff spot. You don't win playoff games with the likes of him. Nothing more needs to be discussed.
Again, no one is claiming that TP did anything to help the team win. I think it's time for you to let go of the venom.

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So its a fact that veteran leadership and depth on the PK is not important to a playoff team?

Because this dispute stems largely from your, Shrimp's and JT's disturbance over prefering a youth to a vet, and not seeing any signifigance in having a player who is good in the room (because you guys refuse to believe this for some reason) and that apparently only the top PK minutes getters are the important ones who are actually contributing.
I don't think anyone said that vet presence wasn't important. I believe we're just saying that Halpern to date hasn't done much, if anything.

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Effectively the three of you have said that depth isn't important. You may prefer Parse as depth and call it depth but it isn't. Halpern may not do a lot of dazzling things, the way Parse can on occassion, but he doesn't make stupid rookie mistakes, like Parse, Moller and Purcell do, which is why they aren't the kind of depth you want in the playoffs.
I can only speak for myself but I've been saying all along that I still expect Halpern to be an asset in the playoff run.

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