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03-28-2010, 09:49 PM
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How about instead of going with average goalies (or goalies nobody else wants) we go for a legit goaltender.
People are probably going to end up being extremely disappointed, because its going to be real difficult to bring someone top flight into here. We have very little in movable contracts and salary cap space.

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03-28-2010, 09:52 PM
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People are probably going to end up being extremely disappointed, because its going to be real difficult to bring someone top flight into here. We have very little in movable contracts and salary cap space.
The NTC's can be moved. The Flyers have waived 1 way deals to the AHL in the past (Gauthier, Jones). I'm sure the idea of playing in Glens Falls won't sit well with a few guys.

The NMC's (really just Briere) is obviously tougher to move but worse contracts have been moved than his (Gomez)

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03-28-2010, 09:56 PM
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People are probably going to end up being extremely disappointed, because its going to be real difficult to bring someone top flight into here. We have very little in movable contracts and salary cap space.
Well I guess it comes down to if we wanna win the cup, or if we wanna keep losing in playoffs.

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03-28-2010, 10:04 PM
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Well I guess it comes down to if we wanna win the cup, or if we wanna keep losing in playoffs.
Im afraid it isn't that simple.

First of all Nabakov is the only real top notch goalie available, and i'd be surprised if he left SJ. After that you have some better but not amazing options with Ellis and Turco, but even then fitting the salary is going to be an issue

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Im afraid it isn't that simple.

First of all Nabakov is the only real top notch goalie available, and i'd be surprised if he left SJ. After that you have some better but not amazing options with Ellis and Turco, but even then fitting the salary is going to be an issue
Carey Price?

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03-28-2010, 10:13 PM
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Carey Price?
May or may not be available, may or may not cost an arm and a leg, and may or may not be a significant improvement over what we have had in the past. I'm not saying its a horrible thought but that's going to depend on a few factors, and I for one am not ready to claim that Carey Price is instantly the fix for our goaltending issues. He's got potential and has played decently over the past few seasons, but he hasn't lit it up either.

Anyway, my initial point is that I don't really hate the idea of Esche here. I like the guy, and I think he's a better option to what we have had this season, and if it came to it I think the team could survive (a la Biron) with him in net.

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May or may not be available, may or may not cost an arm and a leg, and may or may not be a significant improvement over what we have had in the past. I'm not saying its a horrible thought but that's going to depend on a few factors, and I for one am not ready to claim that Carey Price is instantly the fix for our goaltending issues. He's got potential and has played decently over the past few seasons, but he hasn't lit it up either.

Anyway, my initial point is that I don't really hate the idea of Esche here. I like the guy, and I think he's a better option to what we have had this season, and if it came to it I think the team could survive (a la Biron) with him in net.
I think either he or Halak will definitely be available. The cost may be high, but I think for once this team needs to pay the price (sorry) to get a real keeper.

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Meh. I liked Esche. Even if he can't play in the playoffs, I'd rather him than Leighton next season as a backup. Even if he wound up as the starter next season I don't think that would be the end of the world. Not my first choice, but as long as he stayed healthy.

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Esche (next year) would just take a spot from a potential acquisition that could be part of the future of the team.

They have Boucher under contract, and want Leighton and Backlund to come back. Where does Esche fit in there? He ain't coming to play in the AHL. And I don't think Backlund will want to either. Not many goalies stick around for a 2nd season in the AHL at age 29.

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Esche (next year) would just take a spot from a potential acquisition that could be part of the future of the team.

They have Boucher under contract, and want Leighton and Backlund to come back. Where does Esche fit in there? He ain't coming to play in the AHL. And I don't think Backlund will want to either. Not many goalies stick around for a 2nd season in the AHL at age 29.
They need to find a way to get rid of Boucher.

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They need to find a way to get rid of Boucher.
One could only hope, but I have this sinking feeling that it won't happen.

There's only two nets in practice for these guys.

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if he can't play in the playoffs who cares? If boucher goes down then just play with 6attackers and say f it.

Hopefully, NSH loses Hamhuis and the Flyers can move Carle for one of their goalies +. I like Carle but he is one of the few players w/o a NTC/NMC thats makes significant $$.

How will Turco cost?

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Maybe being in Russia has straightened him out? Or do they still use the older rules of the NHL before the lockout?

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People are probably going to end up being extremely disappointed, because its going to be real difficult to bring someone top flight into here. We have very little in movable contracts and salary cap space.
Not only that, they want to acquire said top flight goaltender without giving up players like Giroux or JVR.

Good luck.

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Im afraid it isn't that simple.

First of all Nabakov is the only real top notch goalie available, and i'd be surprised if he left SJ. After that you have some better but not amazing options with Ellis and Turco, but even then fitting the salary is going to be an issue
Supposedly Vokoun requested a trade. It would be incredibly difficult to fit him under the cap however.

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As a backup fine. 100% no as a starter.



Biron was a starter also and led us to the Eastern Conference Final. Should we bring him back also? How about instead of going with average goalies (or goalies nobody else wants) we go for a legit goaltender.



Your not comparing Parent and Rebound Rob are you?
I'd love to go out, grab a very good or elite goalie and move ahead.

However, we know the Flyers probably won't do that. I'd rather have Esche as the starter than Leighton or Boucher.

And no, I was kidding comparing Esche to Bernie.

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Supposedly Vokoun requested a trade. It would be incredibly difficult to fit him under the cap however.
Not really, if you can get rid of Hartnell, plus the room created by not re-signing Emery, he fits.

But I'm not sure I see Vokoun as a massive upgrade on an Esche or Dan Ellis or other "journeymen". The guy has yet to win a playoff round. Granted, he's been on mostly bubble teams, but even San Jose knocked him out.

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Not really, if you can get rid of Hartnell, plus the room created by not re-signing Emery, he fits.

But I'm not sure I see Vokoun as a massive upgrade on an Esche or Dan Ellis or other "journeymen". The guy has yet to win a playoff round. Granted, he's been on mostly bubble teams, but even San Jose knocked him out.
He's been one of the most solid goalies in the last 3-4 years. He would be a massive upgrade over any of them. Checkout his stats. As for Playoffs, he's had very little chance to ever prove himself. We would be a completely different team with him behind us.

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He's been one of the most solid goalies in the last 3-4 years. He would be a massive upgrade over any of them. Checkout his stats. As for Playoffs, he's had very little chance to ever prove himself. We would be a completely different team with him behind us.
I'm not sold that the Flyers would be a completely different team, even with an elite goalie behind them.

I don't think that goal is the main issue, and while I'd love to go land a guy who could be an upper echelon goalie for a four or five year period, looking at the probable cost of Vokoun, I'm not convinced that's the route to go.

IIRC, Vokoun's playoff work was similar to Vanbiesbrouck's as a Flyer-good looking numbers, tendency to allow some weak goals at bad times.

If they can get him without surrendering Giroux or Carter or van Riemsdyk, great.

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If they sign him as our starter for next year, just remember that I called that about 4 months ago.

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We already have way to many not-#1-goalies.

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We already have way to many not-#1-goalies.
No we don't. 2 of those are essentially out for the season.

I have no problem bringing him in for a playoff run as needed. After this season, get lost, Rob.

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No we don't. 2 of those are essentially out for the season.

I have no problem bringing him in for a playoff run as needed. After this season, get lost, Rob.
He can't play in the playoffs

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He can't play in the playoffs
Well then F him.

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His KHL team already said they wouldn't release him. So thats the end of that.

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