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03-30-2010, 12:24 AM
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Rookie Expectations

I Know all these guys wont be in the line up next year but if they were what do you think they will put up. As there rookie season and there best season.

Hall
22 goals 46 pts best 45 goals 103 pts
Seguin
16 goals 45 pts best 40 goals 100 pts
Eberle
17 goals 39 pts best 30 goals 75 pts
Omark
13 goals 36 pts best 20 goals 40 pts
Petry
4 goals 23 pts best 7 goals 45 pts
MPS
18 goals 37 pts best 32 goals 70 pts

i'm not one of the poeple that think the oilers are going to get 2 top 3 picks. I just put Hall and Seguin there because we could chose ethier one . Remember im just hoping for there bests, but i think there close. Please be kind on the replies.

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03-30-2010, 12:38 AM
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I doubt Hall or Seguin's max career potential could exceed 80-85 points, let alone stretch that by 15-20 in their rookie season.

I'd expect Hall/Seguin to put up maybe 20 G, 50 P at best, Eberle's probably good for the same.

Paajarvi, Omark and Petry won't be on the roster next year, I believe Timra's having good re-negotiations with Paajarvi for another contract, Petry's yet to make any sort of impact in the pro's, and Omark has no opportunity here unless Cogliano/O'Sullivan/Nilsson are all gone in the offseason.

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03-30-2010, 12:50 AM
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I doubt Hall or Seguin's max career potential could exceed 80-85 points, let alone stretch that by 15-20 in their rookie season.

I'd expect Hall/Seguin to put up maybe 20 G, 50 P at best, Eberle's probably good for the same.

Paajarvi, Omark and Petry won't be on the roster next year, I believe Timra's having good re-negotiations with Paajarvi for another contract, Petry's yet to make any sort of impact in the pro's, and Omark has no opportunity here unless Cogliano/O'Sullivan/Nilsson are all gone in the offseason.
IM just saying IF they were here. and what i put as best dosent mean they'll do it every year

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03-30-2010, 12:51 AM
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I doubt Hall or Seguin's max career potential could exceed 80-85 points, let alone stretch that by 15-20 in their rookie season.

I'd expect Hall/Seguin to put up maybe 20 G, 50 P at best, Eberle's probably good for the same.
Really? I think their max career potential is ~95-100 pts.

I agree for the most part with fallout's predictions.

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03-30-2010, 01:02 AM
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Hall and Seguin at best are 95-100 point players.

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03-30-2010, 01:13 AM
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I don't know how they're career highs will be but next season I have the expectation that if Hall, Seguin, Eberle or MPS is going to be on the team they need to be capable of putting up 14-17 goals and 37-43 points. If they can't do that then it might be better that they not be in the NHL. I think those are reasonable expectations. Anything more from a rookie is gravy.

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03-30-2010, 01:15 AM
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I'd say about 90 points for Hall, maybe slighlty less for Seguin in the 80 range as career bests. In rookie seasons..

Hall - 25 goals, 49 points
Eberle - 21 goals, 52 points
Seguin - 18 goals, 44 points
MPS depends when he comes in the league ... maybe 15 goals 40ish points this year.

Hall in my mind is a lock for atleast 20, if he really finds his legs and has good chemistry with his linemates I can see a max of 30.

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03-30-2010, 01:29 AM
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I'd say about 90 points for Hall, maybe slighlty less for Seguin in the 80 range as career bests. In rookie seasons..

Hall - 25 goals, 49 points
Eberle - 21 goals, 52 points
Seguin - 18 goals, 44 points

MPS depends when he comes in the league ... maybe 15 goals 40ish points this year.

Hall in my mind is a lock for atleast 20, if he really finds his legs and has good chemistry with his linemates I can see a max of 30.
I think those would be VERY good seasons. Rookies almost always hit a wall at some point in the season. I don't think anyone is a lock for 20 goals.

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03-30-2010, 01:40 AM
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I think those would be VERY good seasons. Rookies almost always hit a wall at some point in the season. I don't think anyone is a lock for 20 goals.
maybe not, but look at pat kanes rookie season of 82gp-21g-51a. Hall is supposed to be more of a scorer than Kane, so I think atleast 20 goals should be the expectation. 25 or so would be great.

As for Eberle, who knows.. everything I've seen from him points to the fact he's a natural goal scorer and just has that ability to find a way to put the puck in the net. His WJC, the Pats, and watching the falcons games Eberle just has all the tools, especially in tight around the net, to make scoring opportunities happen. I think 20 in the NHL is realistic, but who knows if he will do it or not.

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I think those would be VERY good seasons. Rookies almost always hit a wall at some point in the season. I don't think anyone is a lock for 20 goals.
Keep in mind that Sam Gagner scored 13 goals and 49 points in his rookie year. Seguin plays a simlar game only hes bigger, faster, and has a better shot, i'd be suprised if Seguin or Hall for that matter doesn't eclipse 50 points.

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If anyone has Desjardins NHLE, those would be a good bet. They're scarily accurate.

IIRC, Halls NHLE was about 43 points so i'll go with that.

Edit: i just went through lowetide and found his numbers because i could not find them on the actual site, i hope it was ok that i did that

MPS (18) (SEL) 16-22-38
1. Taylor Hall 17-29-46
2. Tyler Seguin 19-22-41
3. Cam Fowler 2-27-29
Jordan Eberle 22-24-46 (19)


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If Hall and Seguin are max 50 point career potential then move the pick ASAP.

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If Hall and Seguin are max 50 point career potential then move the pick ASAP.
Your going to be very surprised at how good they really are.

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Your going to be very surprised at how good they really are.
I was referencing an early post talking about how they will never hit 80-85.

I'd suspect 40-50 in their rookie year.

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I think those would be VERY good seasons. Rookies almost always hit a wall at some point in the season. I don't think anyone is a lock for 20 goals.
I totally agree. People have kind of started to expect a 70-80 point player out of the gates with the Crosby/Ovy type of players coming out.

Stamkos - 23g 23a 46pts
Tavares - 21g 23a 44pts
Toews - 24g 30a 54pts
etc...

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My expectations of the Rookies.

Eberle: Make the team out of camp, have a solid season, show flashes

Hall/Seguin: Make the team out of camp, show alot of promise

MSP: Possibly make the team out of camp, show off that speed

Petry: Have a good camp

Omark: Put up or shut up at Camp. Come in and make the team or go back to Sweden. I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just time to see what he's got.

Lander: To play in Main Camp

Nash: To have a solid Rookie Camp and a better season

O'Marra: To have a better camp then last year

Plante: To show growth from last year

Peckham: To Make the team out of camp, or come Damned close

And that's all I can think of right now. Instead of putting Numbers on these kids, let's let them show us what the can do, and if the do, the Numbers should follow.

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I doubt Hall or Seguin's max career potential could exceed 80-85 points, let alone stretch that by 15-20 in their rookie season.
Just in case it's not clear, he's not saying that 100 points is best case scenario for their rookie season, he's saying 100 points is his projection for the best season of their career.

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03-30-2010, 12:26 PM
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Just in case it's not clear, he's not saying that 100 points is best case scenario for their rookie season, he's saying 100 points is his projection for the best season of their career.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is for a player to reach 100 points? It's almost next to impossible unless another player of similar caliber is able to elevate one's play (IE: Spezza/Heatley)

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03-30-2010, 12:27 PM
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Anyone else thinks that MPS should make the team next year, i know i don't wanna rush this kid but if he has a good training camp i don't see why not put him on this team he has the speed, and his body seems more matured then hall or seguin and eberle themselves. He also plays in the Sel and its no kiddie league he actually plays with grown men. I can see this kid getting 18 goals/26 assists for 44 points in his rookie season tbh


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