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04-03-2010, 01:03 PM
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I think you should give the Flyers more credit. They started dominating only when they focused on playing their style. Before that it was quite the even match.
It helps when your opponent's usual style involves letting you do whatever you want.

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Yeah like why does Martin look like The Penguin from Batman?
I'm kinda surprised that you are the first I see asking that question

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04-03-2010, 01:25 PM
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My GAWD... Bergeron will never be mistaken with Adams Foote but remove him from the line-up and that team would have score ZERO goal in the last two games.

Last night, Hamrlik - Bergeron "shouldered" most of the ES time and we won with a shutout. If Bergeron’s name was Weber or Schneider, some of you guys/gals would be more lenient with his defensive brain cramps. The guy is trying to create stuff offensively and I can’t say the same thing regarding most of our other Ds!

Take Gill – Gorges for instance: I swear to GAWD, when they are on the ice, our opponent might as well remove their G for an extra attacker!

Under 1M$, Bergeron is a good and very useful #6/7D + #12/13F.

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That being mentioned... I am so fed up with Martin’s lukewarm hockey!

And Halak + Price




I agree; he is playing with confidence. He tries to support our forwards in the offensive zone (!) and I also liked it when he had a little talk with Hartnell after he created havoc in our zone. And of course, he is our only D that can be a physical force.
The reason they got so much ES icetime is because every time he was on the ice, we're hemmed in our zone and he can't change. There's a reason he had so many shifts well over a minute long. Gill and Gorges on the other hand had short shifts, so they can't possibly have been as bad as you suggest since they hardly ever need to be on the ice long (aside from the PK). Just look at the icetime stats: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...0/TV021158.HTM

Gorges and Gill made regular line changes (35-40 second shifts) while MAB had multiple 1min+ shifts even when you take out those on the PP. In the third he literally averaged over a min a shift (and we didn't sustain any offensive pressure so you can't say he was in the offensive zone). The stats are there. Although McGuire showing highlights of every single blunder leading to an odd man rush again and again last night probably made people's view on him worse. Like I said before though, this isn't something to be mad about. It's a given when it comes to MAB. That's why he makes less than a mil, that why Martin played him on forward. I hate how Martin doesn't even try to shelter him and seems to always play him either with our second worst D and/or 4th line. At least if he's played with our good offensive lines, we'll be in the offensive zone not in the D zone.

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04-03-2010, 01:27 PM
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The reason they got so much ES icetime is because every time he was on the ice, we're hemmed in our zone and he can't change. There's a reason he had so many shifts well over a minute long. Gill and Gorges on the other hand had short shifts, so they can't possibly have been as bad as you suggest since they hardly ever need to be on the ice long (aside from the PK). Just look at the icetime stats: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...0/TV021158.HTM

Gorges and Gill made regular line changes (35-40 second shifts) while MAB had multiple 1min+ shifts even when you take out those on the PP. In the third he literally averaged over a min a shift (and we didn't sustain any offensive pressure so you can't say he was in the offensive zone). The stats are there. Although McGuire showing highlights of every single blunder leading to an odd man rush again and again last night probably made people's view on him worse. Like I said before though, this isn't something to be mad about. It's a given when it comes to MAB. That's why he makes less than a mil, that why Martin played him on forward.
i thought he didnt play much in the 3rd?

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i thought he didnt play much in the 3rd?
He had 6 shifts, averaged over a minute each shift.

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Worst game of the season. It was like the Habs were playing like the next day after some guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend. Like because of the whole Price thing the players got depressed and didn't feel like playing at all and were going through the motion. They didn't care.

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He had 6 shifts, averaged over a minute each shift.
It was at least partly his own fault that his shifts ran so long. MAB is the last Dman I'd want to see on the ice in the third period when the Habs are protecting a one-goal lead. I pray it doesn't happen again tonight against Buffalo.

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04-03-2010, 03:07 PM
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The reason they got so much ES icetime is because every time he was on the ice, we're hemmed in our zone and he can't change. There's a reason he had so many shifts well over a minute long. Gill and Gorges on the other hand had short shifts, so they can't possibly have been as bad as you suggest since they hardly ever need to be on the ice long (aside from the PK). Just look at the icetime stats: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...0/TV021158.HTM

Gorges and Gill made regular line changes (35-40 second shifts) while MAB had multiple 1min+ shifts even when you take out those on the PP. In the third he literally averaged over a min a shift (and we didn't sustain any offensive pressure so you can't say he was in the offensive zone). The stats are there. Although McGuire showing highlights of every single blunder leading to an odd man rush again and again last night probably made people's view on him worse. Like I said before though, this isn't something to be mad about. It's a given when it comes to MAB. That's why he makes less than a mil, that why Martin played him on forward. I hate how Martin doesn't even try to shelter him and seems to always play him either with our second worst D and/or 4th line. At least if he's played with our good offensive lines, we'll be in the offensive zone not in the D zone.
I agree with everything you wrote but I just want to add, regarding "... we're hemmed in our zone and he can't change..." , that most of the times, Pouliot – Gomez – Gionta were also on the ice (Pouliot, Gomez, Gionta, Hamrlik and Bergeron played the whole game against PHI’s top line) when we were stuck in our zone. Van Riemsdyk (he played a GREAT game!) and his linemates completely outplayed them.

Regarding "... Gill and Gorges on the other hand had short shifts, so they can't possibly have been as bad as you suggest...": I still consider our 3rd pairing as a solid one but after watching Martin’s lukewarm hockey and reading/hearing all the flak Bergeron is currently receiving, I felt the need to show my gratitude towards anyone in Habs land who actually tries to CREATE something. My intention was also to underline that Gill – Gorges are solid but they NEVER try to generate stuff from an offensive perspective. Heck... O'Byrne is doing a better job at supporting our forwards in the O zone! I would gladly insert Subban in Gill’s spot.

That being mentioned, I am willing to admit that I went, slightly , overboard when I wrote: "...Take Gill – Gorges for instance: I swear to GAWD, when they are on the ice, our opponent might as well remove their G for an extra attacker! ..."!


PS people should also realise that without Bergeron, this team would have score ZERO goal in the last two games.


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04-03-2010, 03:10 PM
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Worst game of the season.
If a team ends up winning their ''Worst game of the season'' then things would be quite positive.

Not even close to being our worst game.

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04-03-2010, 03:12 PM
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It's obvious, the players were fed up of not being able to perform in front of Price, so they played bad in front of Halak to make it fair.

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If a team ends up winning their ''Worst game of the season'' then things would be quite positive.

Not even close to being our worst game.
Worst game of the season was either the Vancouver thrashing, the Edmonton blowout, or being shutout by the Leafs 3-0.

Simply put, this game doesn't even come freaking close.

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I now know why there's not a captain on this team.

Because no one on this team is captain worthy.

Halak was amazing last night. When it got down to the final 20 minutes and that final 20 minutes had a playoff like atmosphere our team crumbled like France, except for Halak.

Goaltending position not included, this team blows more than a gaggle of pornstars.

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04-03-2010, 03:50 PM
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I now know why there's not a captain on this team.

Because no one on this team is captain worthy.

Halak was amazing last night. When it got down to the final 20 minutes and that final 20 minutes had a playoff like atmosphere our team crumbled like France, except for Halak.

Goaltending position not included, this team blows more than a gaggle of pornstars
I love that analogy, analyzer.

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04-03-2010, 03:59 PM
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Worst game of the season was either the Vancouver thrashing, the Edmonton blowout, or being shutout by the Leafs 3-0.

Simply put, this game doesn't even come freaking close.
you're right.

It was an average game but certainly not the worst. We've seen worse from the Habs this year.

The lack of offence is scary, though. How many more games can they win with that type of offensive output ?

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04-03-2010, 04:26 PM
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I used to blame Martin for our guys sitting back and I now take that back. The players are the reason for sitting back, lack of grit or confidence or size, whatever it is , The coach is not the problem. Look at the first half of the game, lots of speed, good forecheck, good puck posession, good chances. Does anyone think Martin changed his style half way through the game? I think the players changed the style when the Flyers started to push back. Lack of confidence or lack of size is the problem, a better team than Philly would have smoked us. I think a few more gritty guys is high on the grocery list. I think thats why Martin loves Pyatt, because he listens and is willing to do what he is asked to.
Or it is Martin's system that requires them to protect the lead. he did not tell them to change styles, he just told the to protect the lead. not saying thats my opinion, just what most people think.
i am starting to agree though... how else could we be so awful in the third period for so long.

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Worst game of the season was either the Vancouver thrashing, the Edmonton blowout, or being shutout by the Leafs 3-0.

Simply put, this game doesn't even come freaking close.
The Nashville game. Price's best game of the year to boot. We got wrecked on the shot total.

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Or it is Martin's system that requires them to protect the lead. he did not tell them to change styles, he just told the to protect the lead. not saying thats my opinion, just what most people think.
i am starting to agree though... how else could we be so awful in the third period for so long.
There is no way the coaching staff asks them to sit back, it defies every law of common sense.

I think it's the team that starts to play nervously due to past choking experiences during the year and as they think too much on the ice it causes them losing ground and giving every inch of the ice rink.

It's like a psychological problem that has been going on since the Bruins came back on us during the 07/08 playoffs.

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Or it is Martin's system that requires them to protect the lead. he did not tell them to change styles, he just told the to protect the lead. not saying thats my opinion, just what most people think.
i am starting to agree though... how else could we be so awful in the third period for so long.
Martin does not want a team that plays scared. Its all on the players, they didnt keep their composure, they were overmatched, they panicked and they didnt follow the game plan. Same thing happened in the 3rd period against the Canes; good first 2 periods and it went out of control in the 3rd and they couldnt gain it back. People should stop blaming Martin for everything, the game is played on the ice not behind the bench.

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