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04-04-2010, 10:14 AM
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2002-03 _ San Jose: 11 GP - 4 W - 1 SO - 2.35 GAA - 0.927 SV%
2003-04 _ San Jose: 28 GP - 12 W - 1 SO - 2.06 GAA - 0.930 SV%
2004-05 _ LOCKOUT
2005-06 _ San Jose: 37 GP - 23 W - 2 SO - 2.56 GAA - 0.901 SV%
2006-07 _ San Jose: 38 GP - 26 W - 4 SO - 2.35 GAA - 0.908 SV%
2007-08 _ Toronto: 66 GP - 33 W - 3 SO - 2.74 GAA - 0.904 SV%
2008-09 _ Toronto: 53 GP - 22 W - 1 SO - 3.26 GAA - 0.891 SV%

2009-10 _ Toronto: 26 GP - 7 W - 1 SO - 3.66 GAA - 0.870 SV%
2009-10 _ Calgary: 5 GP - 2 W - 0 SO - 2.15 GAA - 0.920 SV%

I'd give him a shot.
if they can acquire a young goalie to ride shot gun and groom there could be worse options. I just dont see the flyers acquiring that young goalie. If just toskala and say leighton or boucher, dont think that helps much.

The thing i dont get is when the flyers make a mistake they admit it pretty quickly and try to rectify it. When it comes to goalies they just look the other way, very odd.

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04-04-2010, 10:21 AM
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if they can acquire a young goalie to ride shot gun and groom there could be worse options. I just dont see the flyers acquiring that young goalie. If just toskala and say leighton or boucher, dont think that helps much.
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The thing i dont get is when the flyers make a mistake they admit it pretty quickly and try to rectify it. When it comes to goalies they just look the other way, very odd.
I'm not so sure. I see Holmgren trying to rectify the situation organization wide. I bet in a couple years we're going to have a problem similar to Montreal where we're arguing which goalie to move. Probably not as unfortunate a situation as Montreal with two extremely talented goalies, but there will definitely be some talk.

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I'm not so sure. I see Holmgren trying to rectify the situation organization wide. I bet in a couple years we're going to have a problem similar to Montreal where we're arguing which goalie to move. Probably not as unfortunate a situation as Montreal with two extremely talented goalies, but there will definitely be some talk.
I dont see him really trying to rectify it though. Yes he is looking at goalies overseas and the college kid. Thats a start. Are these guys potential #1 goalies? I know nothing about them except what i read. The others are all late round picks that he hopes 1 just pans out. I do not see any real plan or trying to rectify the situation using that strategy of just grabbing a goalie with a late round pick. Besides the swedish guy, the others dont excite me 1 little bit really. Desherres, phillips, morrison, riopel dont do it for me.

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I dont see him really trying to rectify it though. Yes he is looking at goalies overseas and the college kid. Thats a start. Are these guys potential #1 goalies? I know nothing about them except what i read.
Bobrovsky, Eriksson (our draft pick), Scrivens, and Rynnas do have the potential to be number one goalies.

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The others are all late round picks that he hopes 1 just pans out. I do not see any real plan or trying to rectify the situation using that strategy of just grabbing a goalie with a late round pick. Besides the swedish guy, the others dont excite me 1 little bit really. Desherres, phillips, morrison, riopel dont do it for me.
Eriksson is a 7th round pick. Where they're drafted doesn't mean anything for goalies. Absolutely nothing. Drafting goaltenders is such an imperfect science that it's rare for them to even be taken in the first two rounds.

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Eriksson is a 7th round pick. Where they're drafted doesn't mean anything for goalies. Absolutely nothing. Drafting goaltenders is such an imperfect science that it's rare for them to even be taken in the first two rounds.
I understand this however to me there is still no clear cut plan when it comes to goalies imo. They have failed for the last 15+ years at it.

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Few things that could happen:
1. Trade for relatively young goalie (like Price) and give up either Giroux or JVR
2. Sign an old goalie who is out of his prime
3. Sign an average goalie/Esche
4. Emery, Leighton will be our starter next year

None sound very good to me.
Speaking to your first point of trading Giroux/JVR for a young goalie, I think you'd have to find a team that might be willing to take a veteran like Gagne, Hartnell, or Briere.

A team like the Kings could be a fit since they have Quick performing well in net, and they're just a piece or two away from a legit Cup run, so if they miss out on Kovalchuk they could be interested in Gagne, and in return we get Bernier.

Buffalo is another possibility since they're obviously set in net for the next 5-10 years, and like the Kings are just a piece or two away from Cup contention. So Enroth could be a possibility, though with that said they may be more interested in adding another young skilled player like Giroux rather than a high priced veteran.

Also Cory Schneider from Vancouver is always an option.

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The marry go round of goalies in Philly needs to stop.

I would love to see us acquire a young goaltender and develop him, and actually have one goalie for at least a5yr span. This 1-2year new goalie plan has obviously not worked even when he had one of the most offensive team in the league.

Lets trade Briere + Giroux for Halak + Cammalleri

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04-04-2010, 12:57 PM
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2002-03 _ San Jose: 11 GP - 4 W - 1 SO - 2.35 GAA - 0.927 SV%
2003-04 _ San Jose: 28 GP - 12 W - 1 SO - 2.06 GAA - 0.930 SV%
2004-05 _ LOCKOUT
2005-06 _ San Jose: 37 GP - 23 W - 2 SO - 2.56 GAA - 0.901 SV%
2006-07 _ San Jose: 38 GP - 26 W - 4 SO - 2.35 GAA - 0.908 SV%
2007-08 _ Toronto: 66 GP - 33 W - 3 SO - 2.74 GAA - 0.904 SV%
2008-09 _ Toronto: 53 GP - 22 W - 1 SO - 3.26 GAA - 0.891 SV%

2009-10 _ Toronto: 26 GP - 7 W - 1 SO - 3.66 GAA - 0.870 SV%
2009-10 _ Calgary: 5 GP - 2 W - 0 SO - 2.15 GAA - 0.920 SV%

I'd give him a shot.
I wouldn't. He's simply not a starter. Look at his numbers as a starter and you can see they stink. I know people will say "well, he played in Toronto", but that save percentage is brutal. He's really nothing more than a very good back up goalie. I'd consider Toskala as a back up, but definitely not a starter.

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I hope we go for someone who is actually a solution and not just a band-aid. I want no part of Boosh next year... I'm really hoping he realizes that whatever he had in him packed it's bags and left somewhere along the line in San Jose and retires. We'll see what happens with Emery, but I really hope Homer isn't stupid enough to be looking in his direction to be the number 1 again eventually. I'd be more happy knowing that he's looking at letting Emery and Leighton fight for the backup position, assuming Emery still has a career next season. And if that's the case, I think Leighton will be a lock for backup... say what you want, but this organization owes him that.

As for the starter, it's really hard to say who Homer will be looking at, because it won't be easy to pick any up. But one of Price or Halak is looking more and more like an option, there is no way Montreal will be able to keep them both.. They are both starter material. I like the idea of having Price a lot, actually.

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Halak+Spacek for JVR

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Halak+Spacek for JVR
Price + Pacioretty. Don't come back until you've come to terms with that.

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Price + Pacioretty. Don't come back until you've come to terms with that.
then

Halak+Spacek+Pacioretty for JVR?


Pacioretty or Weber, you chose

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then

Halak+Pouliot+Subban+Pacioretty for JVR+Carle?
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I'm about ready for Homer to trade JVR for Dan Ellis' little brother or Marty Turco's wife just to get this god damned conversation over with.

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Price + Pacioretty. Don't come back until you've come to terms with that.
To Philly:

- Carey Price

- Max Pacioretty

- Yannick Weber or Ryan O'Byrne

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To Montreal:

- James Van Riemsdyk

- Braydon Coburn

- mid-range pick 2011

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Sure.

I think it's an overpayment from Philly
Don't you want Cammalleri and a first rounder too?




No seriously...The only reason we want JVR is because you are a rival team
Wouldnt ask that much for Halak(+ wtv) from blues or oilers for example

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Don't you want Cammalleri and a first rounder too?




No seriously...The only reason we want JVR is because you are a rival team
Wouldnt ask that much for Halak(+ wtv) from blues or oilers for example
Well, if it makes you feel better, we probably don't consider you that much of a threat. We just want to find the goalie with the most bang for our assets. Since Montreal is demanding we overpay, then we go elsewhere.

I will tell you this though, some Montreal fans should worry more about what gives them the best opportunity to make their OWN team better instead of worrying about what other organizations do.

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The way I see it, these are our options:

1. Sign a guy like Turco who isn't wanted by his team anymore.
2. Trade for a guy like Price or Halak which would cost substantially.
3. Trade for a less proven prospect like Schneider, which wouldn't cost as much.
4. Go with Leighton. I doubt Emery is ever able to play again.

Our best options are probably either signing a Biron or Turco type goalie (journey-man of sorts) and get Leighton as the backup or trade for a better goalie like Price. I'm open to the latter if it doesn't cost too much. I don't trade JVR or Giroux short of a very large return that borders on over-payment. Otherwise I go for the former.

As it is, I'm very content with out prospect pool in goal. Sign two of Scrivens, Brobrovsky, and Rynnas. If our prospect pool consisted of Scrivens/Rynnas, Brobrovsky, Eriksson, Riopel, Morrison, and likely one of DeSerres or Backlund then I'd be very surprised if at least one of them didn't turn out to be a good number one goalie that we could hang on to. I have very high hopes for Eriksson and I hear great things about Brobrovsky.

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This mentality is the reason we have not won a cup in 30+ years.

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I don't even want a good goalie. An average one would be fine. Just one that is not injury prone.

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im really liking what im hearing about bobrovski. i also like the idea of him making a big save and telling the other team to honk on bobo.

i think part of the draw for both him and rynnas is that there is an opening for the starting nhl goalie spot. and signing either will probably mean not persuing a free agent. though rynnas i could see coming if we sign an older guy like mason or turco.

so that to me says you need to re-sign leighton or backlund on a two way deal.

idealy id deal for schneider and sign bobrovski and have them compete for the starting job in camp with boosh as the backup and leighton as the emergency plan b. its another throw it at the wall strategy but i like the smell better with this group.

im totally comfortable with cutting ellis a check and calling it a day. so long as they get somebody and pretty much any of the options are better options then leighton.

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Well, if it makes you feel better, we probably don't consider you that much of a threat. We just want to find the goalie with the most bang for our assets. Since Montreal is demanding we overpay, then we go elsewhere.

I will tell you this though, some Montreal fans should worry more about what gives them the best opportunity to make their OWN team better instead of worrying about what other organizations do.
Obviously the Habs will trade a goaltender to a team that gives the best offer that addresses team needs. Why are you so concerned about what Habs fans should be worrying about? You should be worrying about your goaltending situation. lol

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Obviously the Habs will trade a goaltender to a team that gives the best offer that addresses team needs. Why are you so concerned about what Habs fans should be worrying about? You should be worrying about your goaltending situation. lol
It's not that I'm worried about what Habs fans are worrying about, it's that I'm thoroughly annoyed.

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It's not that I'm worried about what Habs fans are worrying about, it's that I'm thoroughly annoyed.
Why are you thoroughly annoyed ?? lol

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Why are you thoroughly annoyed ?? lol
Habs fans: Flyers need a goalie. How about Price for JVR? It helps both teams.

Flyers fans: No thanks.

Habs fans: Well we don't want Giroux, even though Halak is available. Halak+ for JVR?

Flyers fans: No thanks.

Habs fans: Ha! Keep ruining your franchise. You'd have 30 cups now if you could get a goalie, but you're unwilling to pay for one.

Flyers fans: No thanks. We won't give up Giroux or JVR. Coburn is our best piece available.

Habs fans: Quit lowballing us. Coburn is terrible and has no potential.

Flyers fans: Whatever, we'll go elsewhere.

Habs fans: That's why you guys will never win a Stanley Cup.




Try that for the past month.

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