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04-08-2010, 11:30 PM
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Hartnell has been pretty good lately.
yeah he was good taking another stupid penalty late in the Leafs game.
of course if the Leafs would have scored on that PP people would of blamed Boucher or Carle, or Coburn ect ect.

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04-09-2010, 03:21 AM
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Agreed. He just gets hated on because of his stupid penalties. If he poped in a few more goals and didnt do that daily stupid **** (which Lavy talked to him about it. I dont think we will see it anything) people will like him again.



Kinda hard when your playing with Powe and Asham... If you cant see play wise he isnt doing better, its just blind hate.
No it isn't. I'm a Hartnell fan, I like him a lot but let's not sugar coat anything.

1 shot on goal in 5 games is atrocious any way you slice it.

By comparison in the same span Asham has 2 g 1 a & 11 SOG.
Powe has 1 g & 5 SOG.

Clearly it's their fault Hartnell isn't good right now.

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Hartnell has not been good lately and it's not because of his linemates. He's been given ample opportunity on the top lines this year and he's screwed it up.

Of course we would all like him again if he was the 60 point, 30 goal Hartnell from last year, but he's not. He's not producing enough offensively, he's one of the league-leaders in minor penalties, and he brings literally nothing else to the game when he isn't scoring.

He has sucked lately and I'm sick of his bad, stupid penalties.

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Hartnell has not been good lately and it's not because of his linemates. He's been given ample opportunity on the top lines this year and he's screwed it up.

Of course we would all like him again if he was the 60 point, 30 goal Hartnell from last year, but he's not. He's not producing enough offensively, he's one of the league-leaders in minor penalties, and he brings literally nothing else to the game when he isn't scoring.

He has sucked lately and I'm sick of his bad, stupid penalties.

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04-09-2010, 07:15 AM
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Hartnell has not been good lately and it's not because of his linemates. He's been given ample opportunity on the top lines this year and he's screwed it up.

Of course we would all like him again if he was the 60 point, 30 goal Hartnell from last year, but he's not. He's not producing enough offensively, he's one of the league-leaders in minor penalties, and he brings literally nothing else to the game when he isn't scoring.

He has sucked lately and I'm sick of his bad, stupid penalties.
pretty much. He adds no value. Shocked he hasnt been benched at all. My oonly gripe about Lavy is he preaches accountability yet doesnt seem to have it with clown hair.

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04-09-2010, 07:25 AM
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pretty much. He adds no value. Shocked he hasnt been benched at all. My oonly gripe about Lavy is he preaches accountability yet doesnt seem to have it with clown hair.
I can't disagree with this more. No one here knows about things like off ice demeanor and locker room attitude, which I'm assuming has to be good or he'd be getting more discipline for his horrible play this year (and if anyone doesn't believe the locker room attitude, talk to Todd Fedoruk). Sometimes players have an off-year, even Jeff "High and Wide" Carter who's the Flyers' best scorer now, but a couple years ago couldn't hit a soccer net. But to say he adds no value to this team? I hope their was underlying sarcasm there that I missed.

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Hartnell problems are the direct result of his skating ability, he has to be the worst skater on the team. He looks ackward when he skates and his only real skating attritube is his initial speed,
I really hope the teaam/he works on it during the offseason. The mechanical mistakes he is making can be corrected with work.

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I can't disagree with this more. No one here knows about things like off ice demeanor and locker room attitude, which I'm assuming has to be good or he'd be getting more discipline for his horrible play this year (and if anyone doesn't believe the locker room attitude, talk to Todd Fedoruk). Sometimes players have an off-year, even Jeff "High and Wide" Carter who's the Flyers' best scorer now, but a couple years ago couldn't hit a soccer net. But to say he adds no value to this team? I hope their was underlying sarcasm there that I missed.
He adds no value on the ice. To say any different well i would like to hear an opinion on what value he adds. He is nto helping his teamon the ice at all. He really isnt having that off a year points wise either.

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Play wise absolutely Hartnell has been better. Im not even a Hartnell fan. I just give credit wheren credit is due. His stupid penalities, which is seen by people here who have said they think he is playing bad, is what hurts him. He stops doing those, people will like him again.

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yeah he was good taking another stupid penalty late in the Leafs game.
of course if the Leafs would have scored on that PP people would of blamed Boucher or Carle, or Coburn ect ect.
You havent seen the

"Its because Hartnell turned it over in the offensive zone that they scored"

Its a common comment in GDT now adays. Even though every other player turns the puck over in the offensive zone, Hartnell gets grilled on it.

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No it isn't. I'm a Hartnell fan, I like him a lot but let's not sugar coat anything.

1 shot on goal in 5 games is atrocious any way you slice it.

By comparison in the same span Asham has 2 g 1 a & 11 SOG.
Powe has 1 g & 5 SOG.

Clearly it's their fault Hartnell isn't good right now.
So Hartnell should just keep shooting on net? You know Powe takes shots from EVERYWHERE. They dude takes shots from halfway. Asham is doing better lately. I am talking about Hartnell play wise, not score board wise.

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04-09-2010, 08:49 AM
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He could certainly use some more hockey sense and brains. Makes me wonder if his hair is eating his cerebellum. He's a crappy skater, but he was a crappy skater last year. His biggest issue this season was craptacular decision-making. He attacks when he should be falling back, falls back when we should be pushing, takes dumb penalties when we have momentum, and is easily provoked. Tell him to calm down and use his head and he should do better.

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I can't disagree with this more. No one here knows about things like off ice demeanor and locker room attitude, which I'm assuming has to be good or he'd be getting more discipline for his horrible play this year (and if anyone doesn't believe the locker room attitude, talk to Todd Fedoruk). Sometimes players have an off-year, even Jeff "High and Wide" Carter who's the Flyers' best scorer now, but a couple years ago couldn't hit a soccer net. But to say he adds no value to this team? I hope their was underlying sarcasm there that I missed.
I've voiced my opinion several times about Hartnell that it's apparent that he's a strong character in the locker-room and has a lot of bonds within the team, especially Carter. In fact, in any discussion I've ever participated in about trading Hartnell, I've said that the only reason I would be hesitant to do so is because of his locker room charisma. The guys on this team have gone through a lot of turnover in personnel the last couple of years and the team has been hit hard in terms of the locker room the last couple of years. Lupul, Upshall, Umberger, etc.

That and it just seems like Hartnell is having a down year. I have confidence that he can bounce back next year and if he does then I'll be happy to have him on this team.

For those two reasons he needs to stay, but as it is he is actually one of the more expendable forwards in terms of value and cap hit.

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Hartnell problems are the direct result of his skating ability, he has to be the worst skater on the team. He looks ackward when he skates and his only real skating attritube is his initial speed,
I really hope the teaam/he works on it during the offseason. The mechanical mistakes he is making can be corrected with work.
He had crappy skating last year too. His worst problems this year have been horrible decision-making and taking way too many penalties.

Leino is probably the worst skater on this team, but out of the regulars Hartnell is probably the worst.

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Play wise absolutely Hartnell has been better. Im not even a Hartnell fan. I just give credit wheren credit is due. His stupid penalities, which is seen by people here who have said they think he is playing bad, is what hurts him. He stops doing those, people will like him again.
He's been better recently, but he still hasn't been great or anywhere near the level that we all want him to be at.


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hartnell has okay speed, he just cannot control the puck at high speed

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I still dont understand how people can defend and support Hartnell's game. Are we still living off last years career year? The guy isnt worth the money. period. What does he bring to the rink? other then stupid selfish penalties.
Yet some of the people who support Hartnell will rag on Jeff Carter and his "high and wide" ********. Carter would have had another 40 goal season more then likely if he had not gotten hurt.
It will take Hartnell 3 plus seasons to score 80 goals. maybe more.
But hey we all know its the refs fault for Hartnell leading the NHL in minors taken, many of them lazy penalties. because the refs are out to get him

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“It’s tough sitting in the stands watching, especially with what’s going on with the standings and where we’re at. Even if I don’t get back in the lineup, just to get back out there skating with the boys and having a little fun makes the days a little easier.”
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oh no, he said boys, not men, which means he was only happy to skate with the younger core of the team, and that he hates the veterans, and OH NO DISCORD.



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oh no, he said boys, not men, which means he was only happy to skate with the younger core of the team, and that he hates the veterans, and OH NO DISCORD.


I read it as "I'm still hitting Hartnell's old lady" but what do I know?

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oh no, he said boys, not men, which means he was only happy to skate with the younger core of the team, and that he hates the veterans, and OH NO DISCORD.


Take the 'A' away from him! That's not the way one of the leaders of this team should act!

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oh no, he said boys, not men, which means he was only happy to skate with the younger core of the team, and that he hates the veterans, and OH NO DISCORD.


He also said "having a little fun." What in the **** is that supposed to mean?? He must be talking about alcohol! The young guys are out there ****ing drinking at practice!! Probably putting whisky in the waterbottles.

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hartnell sucks.

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He also said "having a little fun." What in the **** is that supposed to mean?? He must be talking about alcohol! The young guys are out there ****ing drinking at practice!! Probably putting whisky in the waterbottles.
and by practice they must have meant "nailing strippers, to practice for nailing porn stars"

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@tpanotch: Carter puts his stick on racks. He's playing.

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@tpanotch: Carter puts his stick on racks. He's playing.

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Carter is causing discord by coming back as the team is trying to unite without him.

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Carter is causing discord by coming back as the team is trying to unite without him.
He's such a selfish player, I want him shipped out immediately for Halak+2nd, we'd be set for years in goal and we wouldn't have to worry about whether Carter being in the lineup anymore, or his awful shots hitting the corners of the boards instead of the corner of the net I'll even drive him to the airport enjoy Montreal Jeff hope you can't learn French and get annihilated by the press there you deserve it.





But really, I hope he can be a factor. In a good way.

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