1) I didnt say that marty sucks. I said that e.g. in the last season he wasnt so good as it you would say because of his GAA.
2) You're kidding about the wins, right? You want to tell me, that Hasek sucked, because he couldnt even win more than half of the games he played? You want to tell me that you would take goalie like Osgood over e.g. Vokoun in Florida? Really?
I know you didn't say Marty sucks. But to use him and Ossie to illustrate your point how GAA could make them look better than they actually were,... is a poor example. Because they are both excellent goalies. If it was Toskala with a good GAA then I can see what you're saying.
And just how many Cups has Vokuon won? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ossie come in to relieve Hasek, and lead Detroit to win the Cup? Ok, he's 37 now and lost his starting job in DET. But would I choose Ossie over Vokuon at their best? In a heartbeat!
And I don't know where you get your info from but Hasek has been a winner his entire career. Won 6 Vezina Trophies (1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001) 2 Lester B. Pearson Awards (1997, 1998) 2 Hart Memorial Trophies (1997, 1998) 2 William M. Jennings Trophies (2001, 2008) 2 Stanley Cups (2002, 2008) if you count when Ossie relieved him,... and 389 regular season wins, with 65 playoff victories.
He had only one losing season (wins vs losses) in his entire career.
crashed back down to earth? He had 1 bad giveaway, but other than that, he was absolutely awesome.
1 bad giveaway is hardly "Crashing back to earth". honestly i dont think any of our D looked "Crashed" at all, I thought out entire D played outstanding hockey, especially against such a powerful lineup.
No time to be negative but he was horrible the entire first period. He rebounded well in 2nd and 3rd but he was out of position and making bad passes the whole first period
I guess you're right? Thats mathematically confounding to me.
I suppose the goaltenders with .925 are close to 2.00 GAA and the ones with .900 are around 2.80, so it makes sense when you look at that stat too.
Damn math, you scary!
It confounded me too! I thought like you, but then when I thought about a 1.00 sv %, that would mean no goals scored. So I knew something was wrong.
Realizing that .925 to .900 is a 1/4 less goals makes this stat even more pronounced in my eyes. Didn't realize such a huge differencial. Still, all 3 stats (Wins, SV%, GAA) have flaws, which is probably why they use all 3 to determine who's best.
Not to be a buzz kill, but...Tom Poti is ranked #30.
I don't know how seriously I can take these rankings haha.
On a happier note though, Staal has been great. He is turning into a really, really solid guy for us. I think he could definitely be a 40-50 point guy in his prime, and he is the kind of defensive Dman teams die for. Great to see him ranked #1, even if it's not the most...concrete stat.
Originally Posted by James Mirtle
One of the weaknesses in the system I use is that players who play almost every minute of every game together are virtually inseparable (i.e. Phillips-Volchenkov) statistically and both are given a high rating. It also rewards players who play well within a team system that is strong defensively, such as the Devils listed above.
The comments point out how Wideman makes bone headed plays but benefits from playing with Chara. Poti benefits from playing on a team that scores way more than they get scored against but at 16th best GA in the league and looking at Poti's placing, it isn't just all a coincidence. As a previous poster mentioned, Washington's Poti is no where near NY's most infamous purse swinger.