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04-15-2010, 02:49 PM
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I really really really like Raffi, but I have to ask, where's the room? Filatov will/should/might be back, Calvert may need a spot, Kana played well, and I still would love to see D-Mac earn a spot.
This was the logic our favorite Puck-Rakers contributor used to me last year in an e-mail talking about re-signing Jason Williams. "Where are we gonna put him with Nik-Fil-A in the lineup?" At the time, it made sense.

I'm still not sold on Filatov coming back to the CBJ, but if he does, I'll eat crow. If he does, great, but if it doesn't look like he's coming, I don't want us to give up signing/trading for somebody else that could help us in an effort to keep his seat warm. In the event he's traded & GMSH doesn't get us something nice in return that would eliminate a justifiable new deal, I'd like to see Raffi (and/or Williams, for that matter) get another look.

This could end up like 2006 with Zherdev...before I really was interested in player signings & how it worked, but didn't DM sign Carter as a Z replacement only to have Nikki show up & say "Here I am!"?


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04-15-2010, 03:40 PM
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Re: Raffi

A tight roster isn't really the issue. A tight budget is.

While I don't think he'll be back, I want him back. Reliable, established 3rd liner able to play up in the lineup if need be. Character out the wazoo. Looks like part of the TV team.

While the promise of Filatov, Calvert, Kana or mystery player A can be alluring, I know what I'm getting with Raffi. And I like it. And I think this team needs it.

Unfortunately, they can't afford it.

A productive Raffi brings established, reliable depth and adds flexibility.

As of now, on top of needing the older top nine guys to at least hold production steady if not improve and needing the younger guys to continue to improve, guys like Filatov and Calvert are going to be looked to to shoulder a good part of that load too. If any of the former two groups struggle, that puts even more pressure on the latter.

And if they're not ready ... well we've seen that before.
Raffi is a guy you can count on to carry some of that load, easing some of the pressure off others.

Of course, this is all moot, baring other roster (expense) changes.

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Raffi hasn't done all that well in Buffalo so far (only 5 assists in 14 games, but he might have had some lingering injury).

If he continues being rather mediocre in the playoffs, I could see him being one of those free agents still trying to get a contract when training camps start in September.

There's a lot of players that could take Raffi's spot - Filatov, Thörnberg, Calvert, etc. But going into this season, I wonder if Howson, the coaching staff and the fans are going to be okay with hoping for the best with the prospects/young players/free agents and not going with a players with a more proven track record of success.

If Raffi is still waiting for a contract in September, and Howson doesn't see any other player really stepping up, then I could see him being resigned. But he is rather expensive for a third line player, and hasn't shown that he's a top 6 forward.

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04-15-2010, 04:08 PM
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There's a lot of players that could take Raffi's spot - Filatov, Thörnberg, Calvert, etc. But going into this season, I wonder if Howson, the coaching staff and the fans are going to be okay with hoping for the best with the prospects/young players/free agents and not going with a players with a more proven track record of success.
It's never stopped them (or us) before.

Every season is the season when the youth will step up.

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04-15-2010, 04:31 PM
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I like Raffi as much as the next fan but I say no to re-signing. We still don't have a #1 center. We still don't have a top defenseman. We still have Jake and Mason needing contract extensions. We still tanked with Raffi on the team last season. We still are a budget team. It's easy to want to go back to fan favorites, but Howson has to keep moving forward. Hopefully someone else can fill what hole Raffi left. But I can't see spending 2 million or whatever he may be asking on him with so much else that needs fixed.

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04-15-2010, 04:59 PM
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I could argue Raffi either side. the only comment i will make is that Raffi + Dineen would be an amazing fit. 30+ goals is realistic...

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04-15-2010, 09:39 PM
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Anyone else rooting for the Avs to knock the Sharks out early? That might start a shake uo to get Rick's BFF in town.

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Yep, however I still stand firm that I'd rather defense be overhauled than getting a top line center.

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After all these years those Whalers' jerseys still look awesome. Too bad they had an ******* owner that relocated the team.

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04-16-2010, 07:26 AM
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He got worse. His defensive game got a lot worse as the season went on until his value pretty much turned into just a power-play specialist. There is a reason he never got bumped up in the lineup with all of the defensive injuries, it was because he was a liability defensively. I liked the guy a lot at the start but he quickly faded into the dislike category because he just doesn't seem to have what it takes to play defense consistently for this team.
I think his value was just a PP specialist to begin with. As you say, he was never bumped up in the lineup despite the injuries, and I'm sure they didn't expect him to take on top defensive duties when they brought him in.
I don't agree about him regressing, but he has some work to do to become solid defensively,I agree with that.

Let's just hope he bounces back and earns his way off your dislike wagon..

BTW: this article states that he's had trouble with salt and vitamine levels during the season, periodically (is that a word?) giving him trouble with keeping his weight. It also says he needs rest and is forced to decline playing at the WCs. You guys heard anything about that?

http://hockey.expressen.se/nhl/1.195...ar-nej-till-vm

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BTW: this article states that he's had trouble with salt and vitamine levels during the season, periodically (is that a word?) giving him trouble with keeping his weight. It also says he needs rest and is forced to decline playing at the WCs. You guys heard anything about that?

http://hockey.expressen.se/nhl/1.195...ar-nej-till-vm
Nope, hadn't heard that, thanks for bringing it to our attention. I hope it's treatable and he can come back stronger, next season.

Oh, and "periodically" is a word and you used it correctly, Stralldog.

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04-16-2010, 08:16 AM
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I had already earlier in the thread, but if you can't be bothered to read it, then I'll post it again.

He's got a shot, yes, but he's also an excellent penalty killer, he's a physical presence who isn't afraid to use his size and strength, he's been a leader on every team he's played on, (wore a letter on his jersey in both Edmonton and Montreal). He's also very good defensively against the cycle, and his big shot is more than just a weapon on the powerplay. He's able to get it off quickly, and it makes him a threat at ES as well.

I've never been one of Souray's supporters in Edmonton, before or after he was signed by the Oilers, but it would take a great deal of ignorance to think his shot is the only thing he brings to the table, even if you don't like the guy.
I'm sorry I didn't pay enough attention to your previous post. No need for the insult though.

Yes, you are right. Souray brings more to the table than a big shot. I didn't mean to suggest that with my post, but reading it again, I can see that it does suggest that. What I meant was he won't bring much to the team that it doesn't already have, EXCEPT the marginally upgrade on the PP. A 5.4 million d-man (who is also injuryprone), has to bring more IMO.

Yes, he is a physical presence who can throw a hit. But IMO he's just not smart enough in his own end. His urgency to be physical leads him to get caught out of position and he makes too many bad decisions.

I'm sure you know a lot about his value on the Oilers so I won't argue about the leadership part. However, I won't agree he is good defensively. Not good enough to warrant that salary.


(BTW: I'd be the first to point out that +/- is a flawed statistics, but how on earth did he manage a minus -19 rating in 37 games? That must be some kind of record..)

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04-16-2010, 09:29 AM
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(BTW: I'd be the first to point out that +/- is a flawed statistics, but how on earth did he manage a minus -19 rating in 37 games? That must be some kind of record..)
Bryan Berard 2k5/6, 44 Games 12 goals 20 assists 32 points -29

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Bryan Berard 2k5/6, 44 Games 12 goals 20 assists 32 points -29
And in 06 he tested positive for steroids. Guess they won't help you in hockey after all.

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Bryan Berard 2k5/6, 44 Games 12 goals 20 assists 32 points -29
Wow! That's actually kinda impressive. Was he on for ANY goal for that he didn't score or assist himself?

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And in 06 he tested positive for steroids. Guess they won't help you in hockey after all.


Thanks Happy! That one just made my day!

Edit: BTW: Do you know if it was Methandrostenolone he used? In Sweden that drug is called "Ryssfemmor" (Russian Fives) which would explain him being successful in the offensive zone and not so good in the defensive zone...

(It actually got that name from the fact that the boxes had Russian text, and that each pill contained 5mg of Methandrostenolone)


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Wow! That's actually kinda impressive. Was he on for ANY goal for that he didn't score or assist himself?
I'd say that he was pretty much on the ice for every goal for either team in that 44 game stretch. He truly defined "Dangerous at both ends of the ice".

On a side note, I'm going to say it now based on the other thread....

Even though I dislike OJ, sign him for 1 year 3 mill... :p

Have a freaking backup plan this year, even if it's not optimal. Anything that even resembles a backup plan. Please. Don't go into another year of 1 injury and we're done.

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I'd say that he was pretty much on the ice for every goal for either team in that 44 game stretch. He truly defined "Dangerous at both ends of the ice".

On a side note, I'm going to say it now based on the other thread....

Even though I dislike OJ, sign him for 1 year 3 mill... :p

Have a freaking backup plan this year, even if it's not optimal. Anything that even resembles a backup plan. Please. Don't go into another year of 1 injury and we're done.
We should have made the playoffs with the opening roster as far as I'm concerned...we had a backup for Mason but he wasn't played enough when needed. Our defense was not good but the backups did well under Noel... that said, I can't disagree with a general backup plan

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We should have made the playoffs with the opening roster as far as I'm concerned...
For 20 or so games, we looked like we could have made the playoffs with the opening night roster. Then it grenaded.

We must fix this.

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Re-Shaping The Blue Jackets!

OK....I have nothing better to do this morning and figured I could use a few kicks in the pants. Hence the following thoughts on trade proposals to re-shape the Jackets. I typically refrain from proposals because this is a forum of fans and that typically means the heart rules over the head. What the heck though.....

Trade #1 (The blockbuster)

To CBJ:
Mikko Koivu (1 yr @ $3.25M)
Brent Burns (2 yrs @ $3.55M)

To Wild:
2010 1st rd pick
Nikita Filatov
Fedor Tyutin
Cody Goloubef
Chris Clark (a little salary ???)

Trade #2

To CBJ:
Matt Niskanen
2010 4th rd pick

To Stars
Anton Stralman
2010 2nd rd pick(Van)

Trade #3

To CBJ:
Sean Bergenheim

To Islanders
Andrew Murray
4th rd pick

Trade #4

To CBJ:
Vladimir Sobotka
2010 3rd rd pick

To Boston
Mark Methot
Maxim Mayorov

This series of deals would leave us looking something like this....

Nash($7.8) Koivu($3.3) Huselius($4.8)
Vermette($3.8) Brassard($3.2) Voracek($1.3)
Umberger($3.8) Pahlson($2.6) Bergenheim($1.0)
Dorsett ($0.6) Sobotka($0.9) Calvert ($0.9)
extra - Boll? Blunden? (total $1.2M)

Klesla($3) Burns($3.5)
Hejda($2.0) Commodore($3.8)
Russel($1.3) Niskanen($1.5)
Clitsome($0.5)? Moore($1.1)

Mason($0.9)
Garon($1.2)

A cap hit of approx $52.5M. Not unreasonable. Salary structure (without extensions) means after next season we would need to renew:
Voracek
Koivu
Mason
Niskanen (currently a RFA - I am assuming a 1 year deal would happen in my scenario)
Garon (or a new backup signed or LaLonde promoted?)
Hejda (likely done)

That would make things challenging but after the 2011-12 season we would have the following decisions to make (a lot of money coming off)
Burns
Huselius
Umberger
Pahlson
Dorsett

If we could somehow find a way to move Commodore sooner rather than later we could be in business.

Flame away....Just some random ideas on a Saturday afternoon...

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04-17-2010, 12:54 PM
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That looks like a playoff team to me, I like all of your trades. The problem would be with Minnesota, I don't know if they'd feel Filatov and a 1st is enough for their franchise center in Koivu. Tyutin is a big downgrade from Burns for them. I don't see why they'd do it, but if they would, giddy up then.

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If/when the Jackets end up with either Fowler/Gudbranson/whatever defender we get at the draft table, does that change our outlook at all towards overhauling the defense corps? Let's say we get Gudbranson, which IMO is the most likely scenario - that gives us Gudbranson, Moore, Goloubef, Russell, and I'll say Stralman and Methot as future guys as well (under-25) - that's not a wholly terrible defense corps if you add in another gritty/physical type guy. Say we get a guy like Souray this summer - or maybe another type of mentor - if those guys are brought along correctly and have the right leadership, they could all turn into very good players.

In that case, I would be all for bringing in Souray - especially if the price were fairly cheap.

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That looks like a playoff team to me, I like all of your trades. The problem would be with Minnesota, I don't know if they'd feel Filatov and a 1st is enough for their franchise center in Koivu. Tyutin is a big downgrade from Burns for them. I don't see why they'd do it, but if they would, giddy up then.
Look at how that team has been managed so far - they'd do it. Under the old regime, of course.

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Don't post this on the trade forum.
This. Clever enough idea, but trying to post it on the mains would be like leaping into a school of piranha.

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I'm thinking that the Wild would likely need Brassard included in that package. As for posting on the mains....one could post trading the first pick in the 7th round for the 2nd pick in the 7th round and get blasted because it would be weighted too far one way or the other.

Personally, I would focus on Burns from the Wild. I think Krejci from Boston would come cheaper than Koivu and think he would be a good fit too.

Anyway, just for fun and I didn't think it was too outlandish....

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