Yea, the 2nd deal is not something I'm too fond of, I really like Dubinsky, but Horton has too much potential to move for that type of offer.
Hypothetically, if Horton were to be moved, what type of deal would Florida be seeking? From my POV it seems Florida would be best off trying to upgrade their depth at center, allowing Reino to move into a 3rd line role and if possible Weiss into a 2nd line role or at the very least get him better support on the 2nd line.
It depends how deep of a rebuild they plan on.
If it's a short rebuild, I don't see how they could move Horton and get a return that doesn't set them back. Horton has taken a significant step forward this year - one that isn't entirely reflected in the scoresheet. Noone in the market for Horton right now will be able/willing to send an equivalent piece back.
If it's a "tear it down to the studs" rebuild, a (high) first round pick (or two lower first round picks) and an upper tier forward (preferably a center) prospect would be the starting point. It's still hard to see how the Panthers could "win" this kind of deal, unless it's Boston sending Toronto's pick(s) back.
Kaberle, Grabovski and Stempniak for Booth, Ballard, Mattias and a 1st 10
I think adding Kaberle would be huge for Florida, especially without giving up Horton or Weiss. He already has a history with McCabe and he's a vet Cezch for Frolik, Olesz, and Repik.
Grabovski and Stempniak are both talented fwds and both relatively young and I'm assuming Ballard is a bit of a salary dump value for Fla
The 1st is key and I'm thinking Florida is willing to move it wanting to win now and already having a good stock pile of prospects (especially considering if they do get a pick from Chi in the rumoured Vokoun deal).
What do you think? is it close, adjust to make it work?
Kaberle, Grabovski and Stempniak for Booth, Ballard, Mattias and a 1st 10
I think adding Kaberle would be huge for Florida, especially without giving up Horton or Weiss. He already has a history with McCabe and he's a vet Cezch for Frolik, Olesz, and Repik.
Grabovski and Stempniak are both talented fwds and both relatively young and I'm assuming Ballard is a bit of a salary dump value for Fla
The 1st is key and I'm thinking Florida is willing to move it wanting to win now and already having a good stock pile of prospects (especially considering if they do get a pick from Chi in the rumoured Vokoun deal).
What do you think? is it close, adjust to make it work?
I think I speak for everyone when I say that you wouldn't find one Panther fan that would do that deal. We don't need Kaberle, we're rebuilding just like the Leafs so that doesn't make us good trading partners in my opinion.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that you wouldn't find one Panther fan that would do that deal. We don't need Kaberle, we're rebuilding just like the Leafs so that doesn't make us good trading partners in my opinion.
How about Horton for Kadri and Stalberg?
Okay, just figured there was pressure on the Panthers to win now and with the way Horton and Weiss were playing they weren't far off
Horton and Mattias for Kadri and Kulemin? Can't actually see the leafs trading Kadri but as a fan I'd consider that
This is not a rumor, just a random proposal but I thought it was pretty good value.
Any interest?
That's awful. I don't want the Leaf's overhyped prospects. Stalberg is 24 already, and Bozak is a month away from being 24 as well. We can do better than a couple low ceiling older prospects.
That's awful. I don't want the Leaf's overhyped prospects. Stalberg is 24 already, and Bozak is a month away from being 24 as well. We can do better than a couple low ceiling older prospects.
Wow, didn't know Bozak was that old. No thanks to that deal.
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Not really a trade, what are the chances we could sign someone like Marleau?
Even though I doubt he will want to leave the Sharks, due to family, good team, been there for a while etc... If he wanted a good payday he could definitely get some good $$$ if he wanted to move on. Would be our 1st line center without a doubt and that would put Weiss as the second line center.
Plus, supposedly he doesn't like the media, which would mean he wouldn't be bothered down here.
I don't think we have the cap space for someone like that shootit.. we would have to move vokoun or olesz or ballard first - and find cheap replacements for them.
i was just thinking about the draft day and how the panthers will act.
ok lets say we end up with the 4th overall pick and we get tarasenko for example. after that, i honestly believe that we will trade some 2nd round picks + something in order for us to land another 1st round pick, mid-round.
what would you say is a fair value of a 13-18 overall pick?
2 seconds and a 3rd?
also, i have a proposal with the devils.
robak has been tearing it up big time in the whl along with his defensive paring partner alexander urbom. they both have sick +/- numbers. Imagine if we could land him and let them continue to tear it up in ahl and then with the cats.
so my propasal for him would be
to cats:
Alexander Urbom
3rd round 2010
to devils:
Keaton Ellerby
i think ellerby would be better off in a extremely defensive minded organisation.
i was just thinking about the draft day and how the panthers will act.
ok lets say we end up with the 4th overall pick and we get tarasenko for example. after that, i honestly believe that we will trade some 2nd round picks + something in order for us to land another 1st round pick, mid-round.
what would you say is a fair value of a 13-18 overall pick?
2 seconds and a 3rd?
also, i have a proposal with the devils.
robak has been tearing it up big time in the whl along with his defensive paring partner alexander urbom. they both have sick +/- numbers. Imagine if we could land him and let them continue to tear it up in ahl and then with the cats.
so my propasal for him would be
to cats:
Alexander Urbom
3rd round 2010
to devils:
Keaton Ellerby
i think ellerby would be better off in a extremely defensive minded organisation.
thoughts?
Not a fan of that trade. I think Ellerby has a higher upside than Urbom, and Robak for that matter. You have to temper excitment about Robak and Urbom's +/- numbers. They are both good WHL defensemen, but they are not as good as those numbers suggest. They play on a powerhouse team and a very offensive team. If they were playing on Lethbridge or Moose Jaw, all their numbers, offensive stats, +/-, etc. would look a lot different. Again, not that they aren't good. But they are not great future 1st pairing d-men. Ellerby is already playing in the NHL and despite getting limited minutes and not playing that many games yet, he doesn't look out of place. He's going to be a good one.
i was just thinking about the draft day and how the panthers will act.
ok lets say we end up with the 4th overall pick and we get tarasenko for example. after that, i honestly believe that we will trade some 2nd round picks + something in order for us to land another 1st round pick, mid-round.
what would you say is a fair value of a 13-18 overall pick?
2 seconds and a 3rd?
also, i have a proposal with the devils.
robak has been tearing it up big time in the whl along with his defensive paring partner alexander urbom. they both have sick +/- numbers. Imagine if we could land him and let them continue to tear it up in ahl and then with the cats.
so my propasal for him would be
to cats:
Alexander Urbom
3rd round 2010
to devils:
Keaton Ellerby
i think ellerby would be better off in a extremely defensive minded organisation.
thoughts?
I think the Panthers can at least get to #3 draft spot, with hopes of #2 and maybe even winning the lotto. I'd love to draft Hall or Seguin (as anyone else would) and then dangle Vokoun to a team who needs him, maybe Washington or Chicago. I know Vokoun is pricey and up there in age, but he isn't dead by any means and he would more than likely be Vesina contender on a team like that. Maybe go after Backstrom from Washington, or Versteeg or Sharp from Chicago.
Either way, I do hope the organization really is prepared to partially re-build this team around Booth,Weiss,Horton,Frolik, Kulikov,Ellerby and Markstrom and do damage in FA and the draft.
What do you think about Olesz and a 2nd for O'sullivan and Nilsson from Edmonton?
The oilers need to get bigger- get a player with some unrealized potential and a draft pick for their rebuild.
We get a good goal scorer who works hard in Sully, and a skilled player that might blossom in a new environment in Nilsson.
We also have a lot of 2nd rounders, which makes one of them easier to part with.
It's not ideal of course, but a step up for both organizations? The Oilers really need to lose some of their smaller players, and we could use some skill and scoring.
Have you ever watched O'Sullivan these past 2 years?
He does not work hard and pays no attention to any defensive responsibilities.
I am an outsider but have seen enough of him that you should stay away ,,, Not sure how Olesz is in his own end but your team D will go down gutter with O'Sullivan
Have you ever watched O'Sullivan these past 2 years?
He does not work hard and pays no attention to any defensive responsibilities.
I am an outsider but have seen enough of him that you should stay away ,,, Not sure how Olesz is in his own end but your team D will go down gutter with O'Sullivan
Yeah, basically. That's why the Kings got rid of him also. That was a coup by Lombardi.
