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04-17-2010, 09:30 PM
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Stage fights?

What exactly is a staged fight?

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Meant to say staged fight

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This isn't really a black and white definition, but I liked this guys response to you during one of the previous times you've asked the question.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=24452796&postcount=4

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Seriously? An emotionless fight off the face-off or equivalent type thing. "You get paid to fight and so do I, lets earn our paycheck tonight."
As for the OP, I'd say 40-45%.

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Was the video I posted in response a staged fight?

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Was the video I posted in response a staged fight?
Nope. Like I said, you can't really define a "staged fight" with a purely black-and-white definition. Not every fight off the face-off is "staged", just as not every fight that occurs during the play isn't "staged."

I don't know what you're trying to get at asking questions you already know answers to, but IMO, the NHL doesn't really need to put anything in the rulebook regarding this because..

1. It's not exactly an easy thing to penalize somebody for something that's hard to prove. If a rule were passed, I'd end up like the Instigator Rule, well-meaning but enforced unevenly.

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2. Current NHL trends are doing a better job of eliminating staged fights then any rule would.


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This is a staged fight.

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04-18-2010, 02:49 PM
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This is a staged fight.
If players aren't mic'd up though, how do we know it's staged?

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Basically two guys that wanna go, so they square off.... Some idiots call that a staged fight, others call it a fight...

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If players aren't mic'd up though, how do we know it's staged?
By that standard, how can you prove that any fight between two non mic'd players wasn't staged?

I'm not looking to get into a debate over the philosophy of Skepticism but I don't see how anyone can deny that there aren't staged fights today in the NHL.

That being said, I don't think it's a big problem and I doubt that it's a number bigger then 25%. You can rest easy, I highly doubt the NHL is going to implement a rule to try and curb staged fights.

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If players aren't mic'd up though, how do we know it's staged?
We don't... I dont even think that there is much of staged fights anymore.. they were mainly in use during the dead puck era to give the crowd something to watch...

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I think nearly all fights that happen now are realy battles in response to either an act from an earlier hit/play, the previous game, or a rivalry between the players involved.

Staged fights were a buzzword a few years back, but now I think it's all pretty much as you see it.

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Almost all NHL fights are staged these days. The reason you can tell they're staged is because when one guy falls down, the guy who has the 'advantage' doesn't keep hitting him. If these were real fights, guys who fell down would get hit a few times before the refs broke it up....as it stands now, very seldom does a guy keep hitting when the other guy falls.

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Almost all NHL fights are staged these days. The reason you can tell they're staged is because when one guy falls down, the guy who has the 'advantage' doesn't keep hitting him. If these were real fights, guys who fell down would get hit a few times before the refs broke it up....as it stands now, very seldom does a guy keep hitting when the other guy falls.
That's not a staged fight, that's adhering to the code.

You don't continue wailing on a player that's hit the ice. Just like you don't celebrate your win (unless you're a *****, or Avery). You don't try and fight a guy at the end of his shift, when you've just started yours. etc, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fightin...ckey#Etiquette

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That's not a staged fight, that's adhering to the code.

You don't continue wailing on a player that's hit the ice. Just like you don't celebrate your win (unless you're a *****, or Avery). You don't try and fight a guy at the end of his shift, when you've just started yours. etc, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fightin...ckey#Etiquette
You do (or should) if you're genuinely mad at them, which seems pretty rare.

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That's not a staged fight, that's adhering to the code.
I agree with the above, this portion of the "code" seems to apply mainly to staged fights. When two guys are really upset they usually grapple on the ice.

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Almost all NHL fights are staged these days. The reason you can tell they're staged is because when one guy falls down, the guy who has the 'advantage' doesn't keep hitting him. If these were real fights, guys who fell down would get hit a few times before the refs broke it up....as it stands now, very seldom does a guy keep hitting when the other guy falls.
This is the natural thing ... a reflex for survival to the species. When someone is loosing, you will not kill him. Therefore it can be assimilated to a code. This "code" is a learned reflex of submission ... when someone submits to you ... you will stop hitting.

Staged is arranged in advance. The exemple of Laraque and Ivanans could be a valid one. (imo)

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You do (or should) if you're genuinely mad at them, which seems pretty rare.
Agreed.

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