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04-17-2010, 09:45 PM
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You need Anisimov Shelly and Prust
That's not going to help Anisimov's development at all.

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Tell me where you plan the cap to be around. Kovalchuk is not comming get over it
"get over it" lmfao.
Im not a get kovalchuk person. This is a theoretical lineup. You seem pretty irritated so I guess i'd have to suggest that you get over it, champ.


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"get over it" lmfao.
Im not a get kovalchuk person. This is a theoretical lineup. You seem pretty irritated so I guess i'd have to suggest that you get over it, champ.

I like it Fitzy, but I'm trying to get cap-realistic lineups. Can you fit Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, and a resigned Staal+ under the cap?

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I like it Fitzy, but I'm trying to get cap-realistic lineups. Can you fit Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, and a resigned Staal+ under the cap?
IMO, no. Which is why I listed several alternatives.

Only way it would work, is if we 1 year lowballed Staal, got Volchenkov for four, and gave Kovalchuk a Hossa-esque frontloaded contract that would come out to 7 or 8 mil a year.

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You need Anisimov Shelly and Prust
Great line! And Byers should be making this team. He'll provide much of what Prust can (and probably more with experience) on a different line. He's a faster skater than Prust and certainly Shelley.

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Well, here goes what I want to see happen:

Let walk:
Jokinen
Lisin
Prospal

Trade/Waive:
Voros
Redden
Gilroy

Signings:
Kovalchuk(8 years @ 8.0 million/season)
MZA(2 years at 1.0 million(including bonuses))
Michalek(4 years @ 3 million/season)
Nittymaki(1 year @ .85 million)

Promote:
Sanguinetti
Byers

Re-signings:
Christensen(1 year @ .85 million)
Prust(2 years @ .75 million/season)
Shelley(1 year @ .75 million)
Girardi(3 years @ 2.5 million)
Staal(2 years @ 2.75 million)

Lines:

Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Anisimov-MZA
Avery-Drury-Callahan
Prust-Boyle-Shelley
Byers

Staal-Rozsival
Girardi-MDZ
Michalek-Sanguinetti

Hank
Nittymaki



AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m)
Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m)
Donald Brashear ($1.400m) / * Mats Zuccarello-Assen ($1.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
* Erik Christensen ($0.001m) / * Dane Byers ($0.001m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / * Zbynek Michalek ($3.000m)
* Marc Staal ($2.750m) / * Daniel Girardi ($2.500m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / * Antero Nittymaki ($0.850m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.803m; CAP ROOM: $0.209m BONUSES: $0.212m

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I think Artem played nicely with Prust and Shelley, why break them up ? just sayin ....

Also Callahan is 2nd line material for NY next season play him with Dubinsky.

and I know I am gonna get torched but what about trying Drury with Gabby ?

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I still think the Rangers are going to find out they need a veteran skilled center with some bulk. This year, I would rather see them address that need in the beginning of the season, rather than toward the end while trying to chase a playoff seed.

2 years ago: Team got better when Antropov was added. Made it into the playoffs. Dubi, Avery, and Antropov looked like a promising line.

This past year: Team got better with the additions of Jokinen and the creation of that 4th line. The Jokinen, P.A.P, Prospal line gave the Rangers a solid and stable 2nd line. I still think Jokinen can score goals. I know I'm in the minority here and I wouldn't sign him to a long term contract worth 5 million. But why not 3 years/3 - 3.5 mil per. Take it or leave it?

To me he's still a scoring center man and I'd like to see him on a line with Avery and Prospal. Both can pass him the puck. Most people probably don't think he can go back to scoring 30+ goals a season like he did in Fla. but I think he could. His stats were certainly not bad in Phoenix and as far as playing in Calgary, the Sutter's are looking to build a big gritty North American type of team with big bodies and lots of checking.

My first line would be Christiansen, Dubinsky, and Gaborik. And than follow that up with Jokinen, Avery and Prospal.

I think that gives the team 3 solid scoring lines (if you include the Anisimov, Shelley and Prust line) and then u have guys like Callahan, Dru, Boyle, Byers, etc.... rounding out a decent 3rd line.

Especially with Dubinsky on the wing, I just think the Rangers need more skill and experience up the middle. imo. It really has shown the past 2 season's. The problem is, they address the need too late.

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I feel Sather is gonna try the Demitra experiment.

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Your 2010-2011 9th Place Rangahzzzzz

Prospal-Anisimov-Gaborik (I'm disappointed that we didn't try this this past year. Anisimov is a great fit with Gaborik and Prospal might be the best playmaker on this team)

Grachev-Dubinsky-MZ Aasen (Grachev and Dubinsky are a match that could be very effective. I just think they compliment each other so well. I also think Dubinsky may be the only center that meshes well with MZ)

Christensen-Drury-Callahan (Christensen won't be as effective on the third line. Drury will probably regress more. Callahan will be stuck on the third line.)

Avery-Prust-Weise (BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. That is all that needs to be said.)


Marc Staal-Michal Rozsival (Our two best defenseman?)

Michael Del Zotto-Zbynek Michalek (Awesome offensive dman with an awesome defensive dman. Del Zotto is kind of mistake prone but Michalek more than makes up for it.)

Bobby Sanguinetti-Ryan McDonagh (I love the idea of two rookies on defense again. It worked out so well this year. Joking aside, I actually think this is an inexperienced pair that could work. McDonagh is very solid in his own end, hopefully that prevents him from making the stereotypical rookie mistakes. Hopefully he can remain reliable at the NHL level and cover up any mistakes that a rookie offensive defenseman like Bobby Sanguinetti will probably be prone to making.)


Henrik Lundqvist
Alex Auld



Anybody else feel like hanging themselves?

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04-17-2010, 11:38 PM
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Avery _______ Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
MZA Stepan ______
Prust Boyle Shelley


Staal MDZ
Hamhuis Sanguinetti
Girardi Eriksson
Strudwick

Henry the King

Ranger fans always talk about implementing the youth... well then stepan and sanguinetti should both make the team
Also, I believe Anisimov needs to play with two good forecheckers and callahan and dubinsky are the best at that aspect
Gabby doesnt need someone to play with but he does deserve someone ... avery would be great on his line because avery instills confidence in his linemates as he is always willing to back them up ...
the rangers need to acquire a playmaking centreman and a legitimate 3rd line right winger ...
it would help if we drafted mikael granlund with our 10th overall pick in the upcoming draft.. he might take a while to become a top player at the nhl level ... but there is no such thing as a quick fix
finally they need to disperse of these horrible contracts ... drury, roszival and redden equal approximately 20 million dollars ... we would be able to offer sheet bobby ryan with that excess cap


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Left Wing Center Right Wing
Vaclav Prospal Saku Koivu Marian Gaborik
Brandon Dubinsky Joe Pavelski Ryan Callahan
Sean Avery Chris Drury Mats Zuccarello-Aasen
Artem Anisimov Erik Christensen Brandon Prust

Left Defense Right Defense
Marc Staal Anton Volchenkov
Michael Del Zotto Daniel Girardi
Michal Rozsival Matt Gilroy

Goaltending
Henrik Lundqvist
Johan Hedberg

Signings: Anton Volchenkov, Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, Johan Hedberg, Saku Koivu
Re-signings: Marc Staal, Daniel Girardi, Vaclav Prospal, Erik Christensen, Brandon Prust, Joe Pavelski
Let go: Olli Jokinen, Enver Lisin, Anders Eriksson, Jody Shelley
Demoted: Wade Redden, Aaron Voros, Brian Boyle
Do SOMETHING About: Donald Brashear

Player Bonus Cap Hit
Marian Gaborik - $7,500,000
Chris Drury - $7,050,000
Henrik Lundqvist - $6,875,000
Michal Rozsival - $5,000,000
Anton Volchenkov - $4,200,000
Marc Staal - $3,500,000
Joe Pavelski - $2,600,000
Saku Koivu - $2,500,000
Daniel Girardi - $2,500,000
Ryan Callahan - $2,300,000
Vaclav Prospal - $2,200,000
Sean Avery - $1,937,500
Brandon Dubinsky - $1,850,000
Matt Gilroy - $1,750,000
Michael Del Zotto ($212,500) $1,087,500
Johan Hedberg - $1,000,000
Erik Christensen - $1,000,000
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen (?) $900,000
Artem Anisimov - $821,666
Brandon Prust - $700,000

Category Totals
Roster Size 20
Salary Cap $57,700,000
Payroll $57,071,666
Bonuses $212,500 + (?)
Cap Space $840,834 (?)

Not positive if there's anything that can be done about Teddy, but I mean... doing ANYTHING about him would be nice.

If it's possible, this team could actually be a solid team in the playoffs. That second line makes me gasm, Pavelski would be well worth the picks we'd have to give to San Jose for him, he's a Callahanesque player. I'll probably be criticized for Saku Koivu, but I think he still has some left in him.

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I feel Sather is gonna try the Demitra experiment.
If the two played together in Minnesota, it would not be a bad idea. Gaborik scored 42g in 77gp and 30g (with 57pts) in 48gp while they both played there together.

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This would be a nice D corps but I doubt we win the Volchenkov bidding war and I doubt we sign Brookbank, a bruising bottom pariring guy.

Staal Volchenkov
DZ Girardi
Rozi Brookbank

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Prospal-Anisimov-Gaborik (I'm disappointed that we didn't try this this past year. Anisimov is a great fit with Gaborik and Prospal might be the best playmaker on this team)

Grachev-Dubinsky-MZ Aasen (Grachev and Dubinsky are a match that could be very effective. I just think they compliment each other so well. I also think Dubinsky may be the only center that meshes well with MZ)

Christensen-Drury-Callahan (Christensen won't be as effective on the third line. Drury will probably regress more. Callahan will be stuck on the third line.)

Avery-Prust-Weise (BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. BANG. That is all that needs to be said.)


Marc Staal-Michal Rozsival (Our two best defenseman?)

Michael Del Zotto-Zbynek Michalek (Awesome offensive dman with an awesome defensive dman. Del Zotto is kind of mistake prone but Michalek more than makes up for it.)

Bobby Sanguinetti-Ryan McDonagh (I love the idea of two rookies on defense again. It worked out so well this year. Joking aside, I actually think this is an inexperienced pair that could work. McDonagh is very solid in his own end, hopefully that prevents him from making the stereotypical rookie mistakes. Hopefully he can remain reliable at the NHL level and cover up any mistakes that a rookie offensive defenseman like Bobby Sanguinetti will probably be prone to making.)


Henrik Lundqvist
Alex Auld



Anybody else feel like hanging themselves?
Torts doesn't want Dubinsky being a center and Christ will stay a center. So maybe Grachev on the third line and Dubinsky on the 2nd while Drury centers the third line and Christ the 2nd.

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Avery _______ Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
MZA Stepan ______
Prust Boyle Shelley


Staal MDZ
Hamhuis Sanguinetti
Girardi Eriksson
Strudwick

Henry the King

Ranger fans always talk about implementing the youth... well then stepan and sanguinetti should both make the team
Also, I believe Anisimov needs to play with two good forecheckers and callahan and dubinsky are the best at that aspect
Gabby doesnt need someone to play with but he does deserve someone ... avery would be great on his line because avery instills confidence in his linemates as he is always willing to back them up ...
the rangers need to acquire a playmaking centreman and a legitimate 3rd line right winger ...
it would help if we drafted mikael granlund with our 10th overall pick in the upcoming draft.. he might take a while to become a top player at the nhl level ... but there is no such thing as a quick fix
finally they need to disperse of these horrible contracts ... drury, roszival and redden equal approximately 20 million dollars ... we would be able to offer sheet bobby ryan with that excess cap
Two years my friend.

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Two years my friend.
Anyone see the movie "Click" with Adam Sandler. If you did u know where I'm going with that cheesy joke.

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Left Wing Center Right Wing
Vaclav Prospal Saku Koivu Marian Gaborik
Brandon Dubinsky Joe Pavelski Ryan Callahan
Sean Avery Chris Drury Mats Zuccarello-Aasen
Artem Anisimov Erik Christensen Brandon Prust

Left Defense Right Defense
Marc Staal Anton Volchenkov
Michael Del Zotto Daniel Girardi
Michal Rozsival Matt Gilroy

Goaltending
Henrik Lundqvist
Johan Hedberg

Signings: Anton Volchenkov, Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, Johan Hedberg, Saku Koivu
Re-signings: Marc Staal, Daniel Girardi, Vaclav Prospal, Erik Christensen, Brandon Prust, Joe Pavelski
Let go: Olli Jokinen, Enver Lisin, Anders Eriksson, Jody Shelley
Demoted: Wade Redden, Aaron Voros, Brian Boyle
Do SOMETHING About: Donald Brashear

Player Bonus Cap Hit
Marian Gaborik - $7,500,000
Chris Drury - $7,050,000
Henrik Lundqvist - $6,875,000
Michal Rozsival - $5,000,000
Anton Volchenkov - $4,200,000
Marc Staal - $3,500,000
Joe Pavelski - $2,600,000
Saku Koivu - $2,500,000
Daniel Girardi - $2,500,000
Ryan Callahan - $2,300,000
Vaclav Prospal - $2,200,000
Sean Avery - $1,937,500
Brandon Dubinsky - $1,850,000
Matt Gilroy - $1,750,000
Michael Del Zotto ($212,500) $1,087,500
Johan Hedberg - $1,000,000
Erik Christensen - $1,000,000
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen (?) $900,000
Artem Anisimov - $821,666
Brandon Prust - $700,000

Category Totals
Roster Size 20
Salary Cap $57,700,000
Payroll $57,071,666
Bonuses $212,500 + (?)
Cap Space $840,834 (?)

Not positive if there's anything that can be done about Teddy, but I mean... doing ANYTHING about him would be nice.

If it's possible, this team could actually be a solid team in the playoffs. That second line makes me gasm, Pavelski would be well worth the picks we'd have to give to San Jose for him, he's a Callahanesque player. I'll probably be criticized for Saku Koivu, but I think he still has some left in him.


It's nice to see someone used my template.

You don't think San Jose would match the offer you made for Pavelski?

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It's nice to see someone used my template.

You don't think San Jose would match the offer you made for Pavelski?
Well, it was just so pretty I wanted to.

And that's a good point... I'm also really unsure of how much Saku Koivu will be willing to take. I'm hoping in the area of $2.0-$2.5, but he's probably going to want $3. As for beating out San Jose for Pavelski, that's going to most likely be challenging and expensive, because I think SJ can afford it.

Names I really want here are Plekanec, Backstrom, and Bobby Ryan, but Backstrom/Ryan are pipe dreams and Plekanec is going to ask for too much.

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Left Wing Center Right Wing
Vaclav Prospal Saku Koivu Marian Gaborik
Brandon Dubinsky Joe Pavelski Ryan Callahan
Sean Avery Chris Drury Mats Zuccarello-Aasen
Artem Anisimov Erik Christensen Brandon Prust

Left Defense Right Defense
Marc Staal Anton Volchenkov
Michael Del Zotto Daniel Girardi
Michal Rozsival Matt Gilroy

Goaltending
Henrik Lundqvist
Johan Hedberg

Signings: Anton Volchenkov, Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, Johan Hedberg, Saku Koivu
Re-signings: Marc Staal, Daniel Girardi, Vaclav Prospal, Erik Christensen, Brandon Prust, Joe Pavelski
Let go: Olli Jokinen, Enver Lisin, Anders Eriksson, Jody Shelley
Demoted: Wade Redden, Aaron Voros, Brian Boyle
Do SOMETHING About: Donald Brashear

Player Bonus Cap Hit
Marian Gaborik - $7,500,000
Chris Drury - $7,050,000
Henrik Lundqvist - $6,875,000
Michal Rozsival - $5,000,000
Anton Volchenkov - $4,200,000
Marc Staal - $3,500,000
Joe Pavelski - $2,600,000
Saku Koivu - $2,500,000
Daniel Girardi - $2,500,000
Ryan Callahan - $2,300,000
Vaclav Prospal - $2,200,000
Sean Avery - $1,937,500
Brandon Dubinsky - $1,850,000
Matt Gilroy - $1,750,000
Michael Del Zotto ($212,500) $1,087,500
Johan Hedberg - $1,000,000
Erik Christensen - $1,000,000
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen (?) $900,000
Artem Anisimov - $821,666
Brandon Prust - $700,000

Category Totals
Roster Size 20
Salary Cap $57,700,000
Payroll $57,071,666
Bonuses $212,500 + (?)
Cap Space $840,834 (?)

Not positive if there's anything that can be done about Teddy, but I mean... doing ANYTHING about him would be nice.

If it's possible, this team could actually be a solid team in the playoffs. That second line makes me gasm, Pavelski would be well worth the picks we'd have to give to San Jose for him, he's a Callahanesque player. I'll probably be criticized for Saku Koivu, but I think he still has some left in him.
one of the few suggestions that doesnt have Kovalchuk which doesnt look all that horrendous.

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one of the few suggestions that doesnt have Kovalchuk which doesnt look all that horrendous.
Doesn't look horrendous, but it's a bit wishful and unrealistic. Pavelski will be difficult to get, and probably at a higher price than $2.6M. Koivu will probably ask for $3M. I'm going to actually do some big research tomorrow and see if I can figure out a solution to the severe problems this team is facing atm. I worked hard on this lineup, and it still doesn't seem possible... This team seems doomed for at least until Drury is gone.

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Well, it was just so pretty I wanted to.

And that's a good point... I'm also really unsure of how much Saku Koivu will be willing to take. I'm hoping in the area of $2.0-$2.5, but he's probably going to want $3. As for beating out San Jose for Pavelski, that's going to most likely be challenging and expensive, because I think SJ can afford it.

Names I really want here are Plekanec, Backstrom, and Bobby Ryan, but Backstrom/Ryan are pipe dreams and Plekanec is going to ask for too much.
Well I wanted people to use it, that's why I spent the time making it.

Yeah, sorry, I think San Jose would match that easily. They have the cap space.

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one of the few suggestions that doesnt have Kovalchuk which doesnt look all that horrendous.
Yet it is just as unrealistic as any lineup that does include Kovalchuk.

I have a question for you Inferno, and I'm not trying to mock you, just to have a discussion.

How do you think we could afford Kovalchuk and still have the funds to:

1) Sign other free agents?

2) Extend our own RFA's when their ELC's expire?

3) Have legit secondary scoring with him eating up all that cap space?

I wanted Kovalchuk for a little while too, but this is how I got over it. We have a great potential core of our team. We have some very talented centers (Stepan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Christensen, and hopefully Johansen or Burmistrov), great RW's (Gaborik, Callahan, MZ Aasen, Prust), huge potential LW's (Kreider, Grachev, and hopefully Kabanov) and you know about all of our defensive depth.

When their contracts expire, how do you see one feasible way with even keeping most of them while having 10M+ tied up in a one dimensional player in Kovalchuk?

We simply cannot keep together the majority of our core with Kovalchuk eating up all that cap space.

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Yeah, sorry, I think San Jose would match that easily. They have the cap space.
Hmmm. If we can sign Saku Koivu to $2M and put him on the 2nd line... We sign Plekanec to $5M... Replace Gilroy (which I don't want to do) with Sangs to clear another $1M off the cap. Get Volchenkov for $4M instead of $4.2M, and Girardi $2.3M instead of $2.5M

-$2.15M
+$2.40M

Would still leave a small amount of space left, but I'm not so sure we can get Koivu for $2M. I can see Volchenkov for $4M, maybe, because I think people here overvalue him. Brooks Orpik plays almost as good defense, provides a bigger body for better hits, all while putting up better numbers than Volchenkov, and he's being paid $3.75M right now.

I don't know, though. Tomorrow I will commit to wasting my life on obsessively seeing what the Rangers can do.

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Yet it is just as unrealistic as any lineup that does include Kovalchuk.

I have a question for you Inferno, and I'm not trying to mock you, just to have a discussion.

How do you think we could afford Kovalchuk and still have the funds to:

1) Sign other free agents?

2) Extend our own RFA's when their ELC's expire?

3) Have legit secondary scoring with him eating up all that cap space?

I wanted Kovalchuk for a little while too, but this is how I got over it. We have a great potential core of our team. We have some very talented centers (Stepan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Christensen, and hopefully Johansen or Burmistrov), great RW's (Gaborik, Callahan, MZ Aasen, Prust), huge potential LW's (Kreider, Grachev, and hopefully Kabanov) and you know about all of our defensive depth.

When their contracts expire, how do you see one feasible way with even keeping most of them while having 10M+ tied up in a one dimensional player in Kovalchuk?

We simply cannot keep together the majority of our core with Kovalchuk eating up all that cap space.
Pretty decent post.

I'll disagree with you on two points though. Full disclosure, I'm totally against signing Kovalchuk.

Kovalchuk is workable if he signs for less than $8,000,000. But he won't. So it doesn't work. But if he did, we would have two pretty legit scoring lines.

Kovalchuk is not one-dimensional. His defensive play has been pretty good this year.

The rest is very true. I think we should stay the course. In two years, Drury and Rozsival are gone. Our main prospects will be ready to come up. The future is very promising. Let's not screw it up with one impatient offseason.

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