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04-18-2010, 12:28 AM
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Doesn't look horrendous, but it's a bit wishful and unrealistic. Pavelski will be difficult to get, and probably at a higher price than $2.6M. Koivu will probably ask for $3M. I'm going to actually do some big research tomorrow and see if I can figure out a solution to the severe problems this team is facing atm. I worked hard on this lineup, and it still doesn't seem possible... This team seems doomed for at least until Drury is gone.
So why in the world would u put it up there than and say how good it would be? Dam don't people have anything else better to do but troll? Go away. Grow up.

This is the same "Rangers fan" who thinks Ovechkin would be terrible for this team. And it would make him sick to his stomach because he's a dirty player (like "Street Fighter"). Stop wasting people's time with stupid ####.

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Yet it is just as unrealistic as any lineup that does include Kovalchuk.

I have a question for you Inferno, and I'm not trying to mock you, just to have a discussion.

How do you think we could afford Kovalchuk and still have the funds to:

1) Sign other free agents?

2) Extend our own RFA's when their ELC's expire?

3) Have legit secondary scoring with him eating up all that cap space?

I wanted Kovalchuk for a little while too, but this is how I got over it. We have a great potential core of our team. We have some very talented centers (Stepan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Christensen, and hopefully Johansen or Burmistrov), great RW's (Gaborik, Callahan, MZ Aasen, Prust), huge potential LW's (Kreider, Grachev, and hopefully Kabanov) and you know about all of our defensive depth.

When their contracts expire, how do you see one feasible way with even keeping most of them while having 10M+ tied up in a one dimensional player in Kovalchuk?

We simply cannot keep together the majority of our core with Kovalchuk eating up all that cap space.
Post #31 has a rough outline for next season. After that, Rozsival can be traded if need be to be replaced by McDonagh. That money could be used to give a raise to Anisimov, Dubinsky and Callahan if need be. After that season Drury comes off the books and there is another 7 million.

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04-18-2010, 12:31 AM
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Yet it is just as unrealistic as any lineup that does include Kovalchuk.

I have a question for you Inferno, and I'm not trying to mock you, just to have a discussion.

How do you think we could afford Kovalchuk and still have the funds to:

1) Sign other free agents?

2) Extend our own RFA's when their ELC's expire?

3) Have legit secondary scoring with him eating up all that cap space?

I wanted Kovalchuk for a little while too, but this is how I got over it. We have a great potential core of our team. We have some very talented centers (Stepan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Christensen, and hopefully Johansen or Burmistrov), great RW's (Gaborik, Callahan, MZ Aasen, Prust), huge potential LW's (Kreider, Grachev, and hopefully Kabanov) and you know about all of our defensive depth.

When their contracts expire, how do you see one feasible way with even keeping most of them while having 10M+ tied up in a one dimensional player in Kovalchuk?

We simply cannot keep together the majority of our core with Kovalchuk eating up all that cap space.
ive addressed everything here:
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=25247026&postcount=4

get through this year by adding kovalchuk and subtracting jokinen, redden, lisin, brashear, voros, etc.

get through next year by subtracting Rozsival and extending our RFAs, while adding McDonagh.

The year after, Drury is off the books, and we are free to do what we want.

the whole key here though is to stay away from free agency, build around the big free agents/contracts we already have from within.

so, lets say, hypothetically, this year you would have something like...

Dubi Christensen Gabby
Kovalchuk Drury Cally
Avery Anisimov Prospal
Prust Boyle Shelley

Staal Girardi
Rozsival MDZ
Gilroy Sanguinetti/Sauer/Cheap UFA

then next year you can go with something along the lines of..

Dubi Anisimov Gabby
Kovalchuk Drury Cally
Avery Stepan Grachev
Prust Boyle Weise/Byers/whoever

Staal Girardi
MDZ McDonagh
Sanguinetti Sauer/UFA

and in 2 years you can have...

Dubi Anisimov Gabby
Kovalchuk Stepan Cally
Kreider Johansen/Burmistrov Grachev
Pick your 4th line

Staal Girardi
MDZ McDonagh
Sanguinetti Sauer/UFA/Another young prospect

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ive addressed everything here:
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=25247026&postcount=4

get through this year by adding kovalchuk and subtracting jokinen, redden, lisin, brashear, voros, etc.

get through next year by subtracting Rozsival and extending our RFAs, while adding McDonagh.

The year after, Drury is off the books, and we are free to do what we want.

the whole key here though is to stay away from free agency, build around the big free agents/contracts we already have from within.

so, lets say, hypothetically, this year you would have something like...

Dubi Christensen Gabby
Kovalchuk Drury Cally
Avery Anisimov Prospal
Prust Boyle Shelley

Staal Girardi
Rozsival MDZ
Gilroy Sanguinetti/Sauer/Cheap UFA

then next year you can go with something along the lines of..

Dubi Anisimov Gabby
Kovalchuk Drury Cally
Avery Stepan Grachev
Prust Boyle Weise/Byers/whoever

Staal Girardi
MDZ McDonagh
Sanguinetti Sauer/UFA

and in 2 years you can have...

Dubi Anisimov Gabby
Kovalchuk Stepan Cally
Kreider Johansen/Burmistrov Grachev
Pick your 4th line

Staal Girardi
MDZ McDonagh
Sanguinetti Sauer/UFA/Another young prospect
Your theory is good. But those projected lineups are brutal.

This is contingent on Kovalchuk signings for about Gaborik-money. And him wanting to come here. Remember we have Avery. Kovalchuk </3 Avery.

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I think Artem played nicely with Prust and Shelley, why break them up ? just sayin ....
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On Artem Anisimov: He cant stay there (with Shelley and Prust). Hes had such a great development year. We want him to be a scorer, I told him that today: I cant keep you there."
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Exactly what I said before. He has top line potential. Playing with 4th liners isn't exactly going to help him develop. Yes they played well together, but he needs to be playing with more skilled linemates.

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Your theory is good. But those projected lineups are brutal.

This is contingent on Kovalchuk signings for about Gaborik-money. And him wanting to come here. Remember we have Avery. Kovalchuk </3 Avery.
those lineups are significantly better than anything weve had over the past several years. 2 huge offensive machines, supplemented with smart strong 2-way players.

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those lineups are significantly better than anything weve had over the past several years. 2 huge offensive machines, supplemented with smart strong 2-way players.
No, no I mean the actual lines themselves. They're mixed up like scrambled eggs.

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No, no I mean the actual lines themselves. They're mixed up like scrambled eggs.
yeah, i know...im just tired of explaining the same thing over and over and over again...at this point, being precise isnt something im concerned about.

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yeah, i know...im just tired of explaining the same thing over and over and over again...at this point, being precise isnt something im concerned about.
It's all good. I'm currently working on a very detailed explanation of how Kovalchuk could work in principle.

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Your theory is good. But those projected lineups are brutal.

This is contingent on Kovalchuk signings for about Gaborik-money. And him wanting to come here. Remember we have Avery. Kovalchuk </3 Avery.
btw, this is with Kovalchuk signing for 9.5 mil...not Gabby money.

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and in 2 years you can have...

Dubi Johansen/Burmistrov Gabby
Kovalchuk Anisimov Cally
Kreider Stepan Saad
Pick your 4th line

Staal MDZ
McDonagh Sanguinetti
Sauer/UFA/Petorvic or Tinordi
Fixed

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A couple of things we gotta factor;

1. On Weise; the guy jumped from 11-12-23 to 28-22-50 and his shots and PIM jumped dramatically as well. There's no need for him to play in the AHL anymore and Torts mentioned that he was dying to get him in a game so it's his job to lose in training camp. Plus with Brashear's cap hit, you need a cheap young guy to counter it out. Weise is your man.

2. Voros isn't getting waived ;the guy is like the players's player and he's buddies with Gaborik and Hank so he's your 13th forward.

3. As per Jess Rubenstein McDonaugh and Hagelin are staying at college which is fine, gotta let them get their education.

4. No way Michalak gets only 3 million.

With that, here's my crack at the lineup

Christensen-Demetria-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Sharp-Callahan
Prust-Anisimov-MZA
Shelley-Drury-Weise

Extra. Voros

Lisin is obviously not tendered, Boyle is either traded for like a 7th round pick or part of a package, and Avery......somebody hopefully takes him, for argument's sake he goes to Chi as part of the Sharp deal.

D;

I'm not even gotta attempt that but hopefully they can sign a good affordable veteran for a one or two year deal from a winning environment like Andreas Lilja.

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Okay folks, I love lineup speculation, and I want to hear your opinions.

Who do you think we will (re)sign and let go? How do you think the lines will look?

Only one rule: You must justify your signings to fit the cap. Please, I don't want to see "hurr lets just sign kovalchuk and we'll be aokay." Players should be paid realistically. Brashear still counts against the cap. Redden can be buried. MDZ has bonuses but they can carry over to 2011-2012. MZA will also have bonuses.

Without further ado, here are my 2010-2011 New York Rangers:

Left Wing Center Right Wing
Vaclav Prospal Erik Christensen Marian Gaborik
Brandon Dubinsky Artem Anisimov Mats Zuccarello-Aasen
Sean Avery Chris Drury Ryan Callahan
Brandon Prust Brian Boyle Jody Shelley

Left Defense Right Defense
Marc Staal Anton Volchenkov
Michael Del Zotto Daniel Girardi
Michal Rozsival Bobby Sanguinetti

Goaltending
Henrik Lundqvist
Alex Auld

Signings: Anton Volchenkov, Mats Zuccarello-Aasen
Re-signings: Marc Staal, Daniel Girardi, Vaclav Prospal, Alex Auld, Erik Christensen, Brandon Prust, Jody Shelley
Let go: Olli Jokinen, Enver Lisin, Anders Eriksson, Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau
Demoted: Wade Redden, Matt Gilroy, Aaron Voros
Cap Liability: Donald Brashear

Player Bonus Cap Hit
Marian Gaborik - $7,500,000
Chris Drury - $7,050,000
Henrik Lundqvist - $6,875,000
Michal Rozsival - $5,000,000
Anton Volchenkov - $4,550,000
Marc Staal - $3,500,000
Vaclav Prospal - $2,500,000
Daniel Girardi - $2,500,000
Ryan Callahan - $2,300,000
Sean Avery - $1,937,500
Brandon Dubinsky - $1,850,000
Donald Brashear - $1,400,000
Michael Del Zotto ($212,500) $1,087,500
Alex Auld - $1,000,000
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen (?) $900,000
Bobby Sanguinetti - $855,000
Erik Christensen - $850,000
Artem Anisimov - $821,666
Brandon Prust - $750,000
Jody Shelley - $725,000
Brian Boyle - $525,000

Category Totals
Roster Size 20
Salary Cap $56,800,000
Payroll $54,476,666
Bonuses $212,500 + (?)
Cap Space $2,535,834 (?)

At this point I don't want to speculate about trades, but I imagine we make a move or two. We have around $2.5 million in cap space to fill a 13th forward and/or a 7th defenseman. Sanguinetti and Gilroy can be interchangeable, or both can be carried and one can be the 7th defenseman, leaving around $800k in cap space for a 13th forward.

Give it your best shot, Rangers fans.
You already nailed my exact lineup I'd say that Brashear is the 13th forward unless his cap hit is somehow removed (trade, LTIR) though. Otherwise it's probably Voros, and Weise will be the first call-up.

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ive addressed everything here:
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=25247026&postcount=4

get through this year by adding kovalchuk and subtracting jokinen, redden, lisin, brashear, voros, etc.

get through next year by subtracting Rozsival and extending our RFAs, while adding McDonagh.

The year after, Drury is off the books, and we are free to do what we want.

the whole key here though is to stay away from free agency, build around the big free agents/contracts we already have from within.

so, lets say, hypothetically, this year you would have something like...

Dubi Christensen Gabby
Kovalchuk Drury Cally
Avery Anisimov Prospal
Prust Boyle Shelley

Staal Girardi
Rozsival MDZ
Gilroy Sanguinetti/Sauer/Cheap UFA

then next year you can go with something along the lines of..

Dubi Anisimov Gabby
Kovalchuk Drury Cally
Avery Stepan Grachev
Prust Boyle Weise/Byers/whoever

Staal Girardi
MDZ McDonagh
Sanguinetti Sauer/UFA

and in 2 years you can have...

Dubi Anisimov Gabby
Kovalchuk Stepan Cally
Kreider Johansen/Burmistrov Grachev
Pick your 4th line

Staal Girardi
MDZ McDonagh
Sanguinetti Sauer/UFA/Another young prospect
This shows exactly how the evolution of this team needs to go down. Well done Inferno!

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Prediction.

Aasen- Dubinsky- Gaborik
Frolov- Anisimov- Zherdev
Avery- Drury- Callahan
Prust- Christensen- Weise

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This shows exactly how the evolution of this team needs to go down. Well done Inferno!
I just don't think that the defense will be good enough. I think we need to add another top-pairing defenseman in the next frew years, and Kovalchuks $8+ million will prevent us from doing that.
I'd rather sign a 2nd line RW sniper in the 5-6 million range and add someone like Volchenkov on defense.

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Prediction.

Aasen- Dubinsky- Gaborik
Frolov- Anisimov- Zherdev
Avery- Drury- Callahan
Prust- Christensen- Weise
Not too bad, but Frolov an Zherdev on the same line=

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btw, this is with Kovalchuk signing for 9.5 mil...not Gabby money.
Why... Why does every body and their brother want to sign Kovalchuk...

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anyone else think that raffi torres might be a good fit on anisimov's wing? throw MZA on that line and he'd have plenty of room with those two big bodies being able to protect the puck down low.

obviously you'd like to add a sexier name to your top 9, but unless we do some serious housekeeping, we probably won't be able to afford it.

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I just don't think that the defense will be good enough. I think we need to add another top-pairing defenseman in the next frew years, and Kovalchuks $8+ million will prevent us from doing that.
I'd rather sign a 2nd line RW sniper in the 5-6 million range and add someone like Volchenkov on defense.
In at most 2 years: Rozsival will be gone and hopefully replaced with someone talented, Staal will most likely be a great 1st pairing defenseman, and our young defense will only get better with experience not worse.

So although we might need to sign a free agent defenseman at some point in the future(to replace Roszival), we should really wait to see what our system can develop for now. We have too many solid defensive prospects to pass up on a chance to get an elite offensive machine like Kovalchuk so we can sign a defenseman.

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In at most 2 years: Rozsival will be gone and hopefully replaced with someone talented, Staal will most likely be a great 1st pairing defenseman, and our young defense will only get better with experience not worse.

So although we might need to sign a free agent defenseman at some point in the future(to replace Roszival), we should really wait to see what our system can develop for now. We have too many solid defensive prospects to pass up on a chance to get an elite offensive machine like Kovalchuk so we can sign a defenseman.
Well, I just don't see Kovalchuk being worth more than Gaborik, let alone $9.5 million. That $2 million difference is the difference between Seidenberg and Volchenkov. Or between Plekanec/Marleau and Thornton.

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anyone else think that raffi torres might be a good fit on anisimov's wing? throw MZA on that line and he'd have plenty of room with those two big bodies being able to protect the puck down low.

obviously you'd like to add a sexier name to your top 9, but unless we do some serious housekeeping, we probably won't be able to afford it.
Torres would be a fantastic signing if it were for the right price, but he'll probably be asking for more than $3M. If we can sign him for about $2.2M, I'd be all for it, but he's coming off a $2.75M salary year, and considering his last few seasons, it seems like too much of a gamble.
I also have a feeling Sather will try the Demitra experiment, which I definitely think will be disastrous in multiple ways.


By the way, just so I know in advanced, because I have a feeling this grudge is going to last an eternity, does this gravytrain6t guy have a reputation? He's been hounding me since last night. Apparently since I hate Ovechkin and don't want him on the Rangers, I am obviously an Islanders fan trolling this forum.

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If we really wanted to have some fun

Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik
Cervenka-Anisimov-Jagr (I love AA and Jagr together)
Avery-Drury-Callahan/MZA
Prust-Boyle-Callahan/MZA

Staal-Volchenkov
MDZ-Rozsival
Rookie-Girardi

This of course hinges entirely on Jagr's price tag and whether he would return to NY with Renney gone, but a fun hypothetical.

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Volchenkov? Marleau? Plekanac?



Kovalchuk?


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