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04-17-2010, 06:58 PM
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"Crunching the numbers" - Dollars per point

Steve Zipay decided to calculate the amount of money the NYR paid each player per point scored this season. Some of the numbers are staggering, while others, not so much. Here's the entire article if you want to read it but you probably need to be a subscriberhttp://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...notes-1.811976

But here's the gist of it for those who cannot see Newsday:

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Player Cap Hit, # Points, DPP

Wade Redden $6.5 million; 14 $464,285

Chris Drury $7.05 million; 32 $220,312

Michal Rozsival $5 million; 23 $217,391

Aaron Voros $1 million; 7 $142,857

Matt Gilroy $1.75 million; 15 $116,666

Marian Gaborik $7.5 million; 86 $87,209

Brian Boyle $525,000, 6 $87,500

Dan Girardi $1.55 mil; 24 $64,583

Sean Avery $1.938 mil, 31 $62,258

Ryan Callahan $2.3 million; 37 $62,162

Enver Lisin $790,000, 14 $56,428

Brandon Dubinsky $1.85 mil; 44 $42,045

Marc Staal $827,000;27 $29,535

Michael Del Zotto $1.087 mil, 37 $29,378

Artem Anisimov $822,000; 28 $29,357

Vinny Prospal $1.1 million, 58; $18,965

Six players who were added and finished the season on the roster; (cap hit pro-rated)


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Erik Christensen $509,000, 26 points in 49 games $19,576

Brandon Prust $179,000, 9 points in 26 games $19,888

P.A. Parenteau $137,000, 8 points in 22 games $17,125


Jody Shelley $222,000, 6 points in 21 games $37,000

Anders Eriksson $53,000, 2 points in 8 games $26,500

Olli Jokinen $1.87 mil, 14 points in 26 games $133,571
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Just for kicks…

Donald Brashear $1.4 mil, 1 point in 36 games $1.4 mil.......
I took it upon myself to bold/red a few notable statistics. The red, obviously, denoting alarming figures.

I thought Brian Boyle's position on that list was real interesting. What exactly is his purpose? He obviously isn't a scorer, and as a grinder, he doesn't throw his size around at all. Thought it was interesting how much we are paying for a guy like him compared to a Prust or Shelley. Voros obviously is just a bad Sather contract and we know that.

What do you guys think?

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i did the same calculations last year. Redden, Drury and Blowmez were among the worst in the league then at value...

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omg that Brashear bit made me lol

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i did the same calculations last year. Redden, Drury and Blowmez were among the worst in the league then at value...
I bet, and you bring up an interesting idea. Someone with a lot of time on their hands should do the calculations for the rest of the league's teams, at least the teams with high payrolls. Then compare with our roster. I'm sure a team like Nashville probably has an insanely efficient dollars per point stat.

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Funny that it works out perfectly with players who i'd rank most detrimental to least detrimental to the team.

Minus gabs of course.

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I still can't believe Sather gave Voros that contract. He should be making closer to the league minimum.

It's somewhat understandable to overpay a free agent who is in high demand by other teams, but to overpay Aaron Freakin' Voros? What the hell did the scouts see in Voros to warrant $1 million per? The front office has major problems in assessing talent, even when it comes to 4th liners.

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Funny that it works out perfectly with players who i'd rank most detrimental to least detrimental to the team.

Minus gabs of course.
That's why I put Gaborik in green. I thought it was incredible how "low" he ranked compared to having the highest $ contract on the team.

And, look at Prospal! He is probably one of the most valuable players in the league cap hit:points ratio-wise.

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Oh man, that is just depressing. Look at how that stacks up against other teams in the league.

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I bet, and you bring up an interesting idea. Someone with a lot of time on their hands should do the calculations for the rest of the league's teams, at least the teams with high payrolls. Then compare with our roster. I'm sure a team like Nashville probably has an insanely efficient dollars per point stat.
heres one where i compared Gomez to the centers i suggested signing last year, as well as comparing some of the highest paid players in the league, again last year:

http://www.rangersreview.com/2008/02...game-thoughts/

basically if you can keep your highest paid players to about <90,000 per point, you have a high paid player well worth their contract.

for example, using that formula, if youre targetting Ilya Kovalchuk next year, at 90,000 per point, using Kovalchuks career average of 85 points per 82 games played, you should pay him 7.65 million to get a strong value player. if youre willing to go up to 100,000, it makes it 8.5 mil

Id be willing to go all the way up to 9.5 mil which is at about 111,764 per point...

which is still twice the value of a guy like Drury, and 4 times the value of a guy like Redden, who I advocate waiving to make room for Kovalchuk.

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heres one where i compared Gomez to the centers i suggested signing last year, as well as comparing some of the highest paid players in the league, again last year:

http://www.rangersreview.com/2008/02...game-thoughts/

basically if you can keep your highest paid players to about <90,000 per point, you have a high paid player well worth their contract.

for example, using that formula, if youre targetting Ilya Kovalchuk next year, at 90,000 per point, using Kovalchuks career average of 85 points per 82 games played, you should pay him 7.65 million to get a strong value player. if youre willing to go up to 100,000, it makes it 8.5 mil

Id be willing to go all the way up to 9.5 mil which is at about 111,764 per point...

which is still twice the value of a guy like Drury, and 4 times the value of a guy like Redden, who I advocate waiving to make room for Kovalchuk.
Wow some real interesting statistics there, thanks for linking that. Makes looking at the Redden and Drury numbers that much harder though

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Not entirely fair, when pointed out that points isnt everything.
But still interesting.

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It should be Brashear's pro-rated cap hit as well, just like it is for the other players, to make it fair. Wouldn't look much better though...

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heres one where i compared Gomez to the centers i suggested signing last year, as well as comparing some of the highest paid players in the league, again last year:

http://www.rangersreview.com/2008/02...game-thoughts/

basically if you can keep your highest paid players to about <90,000 per point, you have a high paid player well worth their contract.

for example, using that formula, if youre targetting Ilya Kovalchuk next year, at 90,000 per point, using Kovalchuks career average of 85 points per 82 games played, you should pay him 7.65 million to get a strong value player. if youre willing to go up to 100,000, it makes it 8.5 mil

Id be willing to go all the way up to 9.5 mil which is at about 111,764 per point...

which is still twice the value of a guy like Drury, and 4 times the value of a guy like Redden, who I advocate waiving to make room for Kovalchuk.
Haha you truly are a wizard with the stats Inferno

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If Redden plays with Rangers next season I'm expecting him to approach 1 mill.

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Maybe its just my drury bias but his numbers really don't stand out at me. At the beginning of the season NOBODY clicked other than gaborik and prospal.Then drury got a concussion and came back and had a pulse.Then went on to the olympics and played like a man-possesed from there on out.

Every one else on the other than . $500,000 (almost) for everytime redden gets a point, why not just kill a whale too?

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I wouldn't argue that Drury wasn't playing pretty well at the end--but he wasn't playing well before his concussion and throughout his time with us he's gone through prolonged slumps. He is not an offensive catalyst and is seriously overpaid--a problem which keeps us from fixing other areas. He's also found himself on the third line and even occasionally on the fourth.

The problem with these contracts that are based on past performance is the player has to keep pace with past performance or the new team signing them is going to suffer for it. Redden, Drury, Rozsival are not keeping pace with what they've done in previous years nor do they look capable of getting back to those levels of production. Meanwhile the better paid players on other teams--particularly playoff teams continue being productive. That's why we're looking a little mediocre these days.

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I would like to see these numbers adjusted for games played. Callahan, Avery, Dubinsky and Gaborik missed some time and their numbers would look even better.

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Maybe that concussion knocked something loose and his talent is coming back now.

Oh wait.


07-08: 82 GP, 58Pts (25G, 33A)
08-09: 81 GP, 56Pts (22G, 34A)
09-10: 77 GP, 32Pts (14G, 18A)

Nevermind, he's still in massive decline.

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Henrik Lundqvist $6.875 million, 1 point

That's our most expensive point :p

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Wade Redden $6.5 million; 14 $464,285 per point


Well, looking at the bright side at $6.5 million the Rangers only paid Redden 50 for each bonehead play.

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Lots to bash, this is an assassination piece - not on the players, on SATHER.

And he's only been mentioned once so far in this thread. Very telling.

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Lots to bash, this is an assassination piece - not on the players, on SATHER.

And he's only been mentioned once so far in this thread. Very telling.
No, he's been bashed on every corner of the Earth by Ranger fans. If keeping Sather was dependent on a poll by Ranger fans I'm sure he wouldn't wait for the results to pack his bags. But the louder the drumbeat here and elsewhere to get rid of the biggest offenders the more likely that it will happen.

Sather obviously doesn't want to waive Redden or he would have done it already. But the discontent among Ranger fans looks like it will force him to do it.

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No, he's been bashed on every corner of the Earth by Ranger fans. If keeping Sather was dependent on a poll by Ranger fans I'm sure he wouldn't wait for the results to pack his bags. But the louder the drumbeat here and elsewhere to get rid of the biggest offenders the more likely that it will happen.

Sather obviously doesn't want to waive Redden or he would have done it already. But the discontent among Ranger fans looks like it will force him to do it.
You really think Sather wants to keep Redden at that price tag?

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Maybe that concussion knocked something loose and his talent is coming back now.

Oh wait.


07-08: 82 GP, 58Pts (25G, 33A)
08-09: 81 GP, 56Pts (22G, 34A)
09-10: 77 GP, 32Pts (14G, 18A)

Nevermind, he's still in massive decline.
Massive decline? I didn't realize drury was a 90 pt player "back in the day"

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You really think Sather wants to keep Redden at that price tag?

You obviously didn't understand what I wrote. Sather has to know what a disaster Redden is but doesn't want to put another nail in his own coffin by waiving such a high profile signing. But pressure from Ranger fans will force him to do it.

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