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04-22-2010, 01:58 AM
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Souray+ for Roszival+

To NYR

D Souray
F Cogliano
conditional draft pick

To EDM

D Roszival
D Girardi
G Johnson

would something like this sound like it could be worked around to u?

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04-22-2010, 02:15 AM
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Leaves us too weak at the blue line, especially if Souray goes down. We'd be icing Staal, Del Zotto, maybe Gilroy, Redden if he's around, and two rookies.

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how would you like to tweak it then?

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I dont particularly want to send johnson away so quickly. I like his stuff.

Plus, I also dont like garbage for garbage trades. You usually turn out worse off than when you started. At least with Rozi, we know what the trash consists of.

I don't like how Souray went to the media announcing he would like a trade. I dont have a problem with a player asking management to see what that can do because they are not happy, but it should be done behind closed doors. It makes all parties involved look terribly foolish. Souray looks like a crybaby, and the EDM management team looks like they dont know what they are doing. Even if both of the aforementioned things are true, it really has no business being let out of their office/locker room.
Don't air out your laundry in the media, nothing good ever comes of it.

If I were a GM, I would never put together a deal for a turncoat like Souray.


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Rozsival played like a top pairing defenseman after the first 1-2 months of the season. we'd be giving up the best player, and the 2nd best player in that deal.

how is that good for us?

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I thought johnson played great in his time up this season and would love to see what he can do as a backup if we dont resign auld. Losing girardi and rosie and only getting back souray really hurts us on the blueline and cogs isnt much of a help to us. This would really depend on what goes on during the draft, FA, and what we decide to do with redden.

If redden went to the minors

Maybe if the deal was something like
Rangers Trade - Rosie, gilroy

Edmonton Trades - Souray and 2nd rnd pick in 10 draft (31)

Although honestly id rather do that trade with anahiem for philly;s pick in the draft to get johansen and skinner.. sign one of the three in hamhuis, volchenkov, and michalek

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I thought johnson played great in his time up this season and would love to see what he can do as a backup if we dont resign auld. Losing girardi and rosie and only getting back souray really hurts us on the blueline and cogs isnt much of a help to us. This would really depend on what goes on during the draft, FA, and what we decide to do with redden.

If redden went to the minors

Maybe if the deal was something like
Rangers Trade - Rosie, gilroy

Edmonton Trades - Souray and 2nd rnd pick in 10 draft (31)

Although honestly id rather do that trade with anahiem for philly;s pick in the draft to get johansen and skinner.. sign one of the three in hamhuis, volchenkov, and michalek
I like the proposal here, but I must ask, why you feel a 2nd rd pic would be better than Cogliano?

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I like the proposal here, but I must ask, why you feel a 2nd rd pic would be better than Cogliano?
Because Cogliano sucks.

I'd do Rozi + Gilroy for Souray + '10 2nd rounder.

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we dont own a 3rd round pick in this years draft bc of brian boyle.. the 2nd we get from you helps us to be able to trade up into the first round if we need to. although it still leaves us alittle thin on defense and im hoping we can sign a FA like Volchenkov, Michalek, Hamhuis, or corvo... and send redden to the minors..

10, 31, and the 40th pick in the draft really helps us.. Can trade the 31st and the 40th to move up into the middle of the 1st round..trade down from 10 if the player we want isnt there and maybe drop down 5 spots and get another 2nd rounder in there too.. give us the ability to have up to 4 picks in the top 50. can get (johansen, Skinner, Tinordi, and whoever else...

Rosie although has been Very solid for us and is tradeable if we can sign someone to replace him. id much rather deal redden for souray but i doubt youd do that.. Gilroy is still very young and can become a good defenseman but i feel like we have better dmen in the pipeline that deserves a shot...

Although now that i think about it, might even ask if we could get ur 3rd round draft pick too.. souray has more money on his contract, more injury prone, and your getting two good dmen who have good contracts, and unloading a player who has openly said he wants a trade.

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After a rough start this season, Roszival has played like a top pairing D-man and really stepped up his game. Souray is too injury prone and one-dimensional to make a Souary for Rozsival swap and Cogliano isn't enough to make up the difference.

The Rangers don't really need another offensive D-man, which MDZ, Staal's developing offensive game, and to a lesser extent Girardi (24pts) and Roszival (23pts). Not to mention Souray was on pace for just about 30pts if he played a full season this year.

No thanks. The Rangers would more then likely like to take MPS off your hands though!

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When its all said and done after training camp next season. I think Rozy will be the veteran on the blue line, Redden will be in Hartford.

Can't trade Rozy, He has had a very good second half and has been a good Ranger for a while now. Our blue line would suffer greatly if Rozy is traded, specially if the guy coming back to us is Sheldon Souray. Huge PASS!

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If we were to trade Rosi, it would be for someone cheaper, with a shorter contract. Why would we take on Souray's terrible contract??

With that said, I really liked the way Rosi played down the stretch and thought he was very solid. He, unlike another blueliner, is at least making it a little easier to bear his cap hit.

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I'd rather have Rozy and Girardi than Souray and Cogs.

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Oh wow I didn't even realize that Girardi was included in this proposal. Thought It was just a Souray and Cogs for Rozsival and Johnson. Major Fail.

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To NYR

D Souray
F Cogliano
conditional draft pick

To EDM

D Roszival
D Girardi
G Johnson

would something like this sound like it could be worked around to u?
I wouldn't do Rozy for Souray. I wouldn't do Girardi for Cogliano. And I wouldn't do Johnson for a conditional draft pick. No way I'm doing all 3 for all 3.

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If we were to trade Rosi, it would be for someone cheaper, with a shorter contract. Why would we take on Souray's terrible contract??

With that said, I really liked the way Rosi played down the stretch and thought he was very solid. He, unlike another blueliner, is at least making it a little easier to bear his cap hit.

Their contracts are fairly similar. Souray's cap hit 400K higher, run out in the same time.

Still no deal however.

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Souray for Redden, nothing more.

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04-22-2010, 08:23 AM
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dealing rozy for anything other than cap space or a pick is foolish.

if were gonna be stuck with a bad contract i.e. sheldon souray, might ws well keep rozy.

rozy played better at the end of the season and rather than hope he plays that way next year- he wont, i would look to move him if possible but not for another albatross like souray.

no thanks.

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There stats the last three seasons

Souray

2007-08 EDM 26 3 7 10 -7
2008-09 EDM 81 23 30 53 1
2009-10 EDM 37 4 9 13 -19

Roszival
2007-08 NYR 80 13 25 38 0
2008-09 NYR 76 8 22 30 -7
2009-10 NYR 82 3 20 23 3

I think ill pass

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There is no way I would trade Roszival for Souray in any kind of trade. Rozy can play defense while on the other hand Souray is just a PP specialist and is injury prone. Rozy has not been hurt for long extended time for the 4 seasons hes been a ranger. Plus he was starting to rack up the points in the last 20 games of the season.

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Rangers will definitely need something better than Cogliano to take a chance on Souray. Plus, the guy has requested a trade, so I can't imagine teams will be ready to pony up that much.

Either that or they'll have to take Brashear in the deal.

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This is a silly proposal. No offense to the OP, becuase my guess is that he/she is a western conference fan who a) is familiar with the Rangers' cap problems, b) likely doesn't follow the Rangers' games and c) is simply looking at this as a problem-for-problem trade where both teams are taking a "what've we got to lose" shot that a change of scenery will reinvigorate two damaged players with big contracts. But the fact of the matter is that Rozsival:

-is younger than Souray (by 2 years)
-is more durable than Souray (8 vs. 110 total games missed over the last 5 years)
-has a lower cap hit than Souray (by $400K per year)
-has a lower real dollar cost than Souray ($7MM vs. $9MM over 2 years)
-remains in management's good graces whereas Souray in just the last month has trashed the EDM front office and demanded a trade
-and, most importantly, has regained his form and was playing like a #2 Dman during the second half of last season, whereas Souray has degenerated to the point where he's basically only a PP specialist

The Rangers have absolutely NO reason to do an even-up (and that's a VERY generous characterization of the proposal above) deal of Rozsival for Souray. If you want to build something around these two, you need to include significant assets on the EDM side to even out the offers. Cogliano and a conditional pick for Girardi and Johnson? No. Maybe - MAYBE - Souray, Cogliano and the conditional pick for Rozsival alone, but frankly, I don't find that deal all that compelling. If I'm moving Rozsie, I want cap relief plus an asset. If I'm moving him and NOT getting cap relief, I want a really, really good asset.

The much more comparable player on the Rangers' side is Redden. Unfortunately, now the shoe is on the other foot. Souray wins on contract length, cap hit, dollar value and - I guess - usefulness. So, we'd have to pony up some assets to even out the deal.

Fortunately, with Souray taking a flamethrower to his bridges in Edmonton over the last couple of weeks, the Oilers have lost some leverage so hopefully we wouldn't have to include too much more to make it work - perhaps Sauer and a conditional? If the Rangers don't suck it up and simply give Redden the Nylander treatment (which I think would still be the best course of action all things being equal), I think there's a real chance you might see something along these lines happen this offseason.

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I totally forgot that Souray called out the Oilers management recently as well. He has beyond negative value. Oilers are going to have to include a good prospect or pick in order for a team to take him off their hands.

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I totally forgot that Souray called out the Oilers management recently as well. He has beyond negative value. Oilers are going to have to include a good prospect or pick in order for a team to take him off their hands.
I would do something like it if they took Brashear back, giving us some breathing room for this year.

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I would do something like it if they took Brashear back, giving us some breathing room for this year.
The net savings would be $1 million for next season, but for the second season, the Rangers would be paying an extra $400K ($6.4 million vs $5.4 million in 2010-11 and $5.0 million vs $5.4 million 2011-12).

Still more would have to be added. The Rangers have to sign Dubinsky and Callahan after next season, and can't afford to be paying an extra $400K in 2011-12. The Rangers have enough coming off the books and with the cap going up a bit (More then likely) can handle Brashear's salary if they can't deal him on his own or put him on LTIR (I really see this happening).

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