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04-24-2010, 03:00 PM
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Patrick Thoresen - back to Philadelphia?

Here is a google translate: http://translate.google.com/translat...12&sl=no&tl=en


Seems like the Flyers is still interested in signing him. He has been great in both Switzerland and Russia since leaving.





Some of his goals from Russia and of course that nut-blocker from last time. Looks like he got his offensive confidence back, doing quite well both in Switzerland(think he came top 3) and top 6(?) in KHL in points this year.


Where can he fit in with you?

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i'd certainly welcome him back. perhaps an asham or cote replacement?

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I'm excited. 3rd line replacement for Asham?

JVR - Roo - Thor would be fun to watch.

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i love the guy.. played his nuts off when he was here

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Where can he fit in with you?
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure where he fits. If he'd take a 2-way deal I'm sure we'd love to have him as an insurance policy/call up guy in the event that he doesn't find his niche on the team out of camp to begin with...which I think he may be able to do. If some of our bottom-line guys are gone this off season, I'd love to have ole' defensively responsible, scoring-capable Patty One-Nut back. I loved that guy.

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I'd be comfortable giving him the one-way deal that he wanted now.

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Not 100% sure where he fits, but the guy is a warrior.

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I'd rather have Asham back. Still would not mind seeing Thoresen, but he's not the player Asham is. He'd be deeper on the chart.

What they need to do is hold on to draft picks and get the Phantoms developing useful NHL players again.

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I'd rather have Asham back. Still would not mind seeing Thoresen, but he's not the player Asham is. He'd be deeper on the chart.

What they need to do is hold on to draft picks and get the Phantoms developing useful NHL players again.
Thoresen is a better player than Asham right now. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

I like Asham too, but he won't be here next year. We need to fill out our lines with offensive talent. Thor has that.

And no, the occasional deke is not offensive talent.

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Thoresen is a better player than Asham right now. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

I like Asham too, but he won't be here next year. We need to fill out our lines with offensive talent. Thor has that.

And no, the occasional deke is not offensive talent.
I'm assuming you missed his 1st stint here?

I really like Thor, wouldn't mind him coming back as a 4th liner, but the guy has rock hands.

EDIT: For the record, Marcel Hossa and Pavel Brendl were the top 2 goalscorers in the KHL this past year, so please don't use his KHL stats as the basis for him becoming a good offensive player.

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No thanks. Tollefsen and Thoresen both have a ton of heart, but next to no hockey sense. Its not enough.

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Whatever "offensive talent" Thor has, he certainly forgets all about when he puts on a Flyers jersey.

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04-24-2010, 03:28 PM
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Carcillo - Richards - Gagne
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
JvR - Giroux - Leino
Powe - Betts - Lappy

Unless one of Hartnell, Carter, Briere, or Gagne is gone, where would Thoresen fit? I doubt he'd want to come back and not even make the lineup.

Really, something has to happen in the off season for him to have a chance. Alternatively, if they don't re-sign Powe (which by all accounts they're very close to a deal ), and Carcillo goes down to the fourth line, Hartnell gets bumped, Leino moves up, Thor could go on the third line. I personally find that unlikely.

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I'm assuming you missed his 1st stint here?
You mean the one where he was an absolute puck-shark, hard-worker, but was the most unlucky finisher I've ever seen?

104 games, 46 goals, and 74 assists later for 120 points over the course of two years, one of which spent dominating the KHL, is not good enough for you?

Thor has offensive talent. Not 50-60 points, but I'll take 25-30 next to Giroux. It's better than Asham.

I'm assuming YOU missed his 1st stint here. Oh, and also every game he's played since.

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I really like Thor, wouldn't mind him coming back as a 4th liner, but the guy has rock hands.

EDIT: For the record, Marcel Hossa and Pavel Brendl were the top 2 goalscorers in the KHL this past year, so please don't use his KHL stats as the basis for him becoming a good offensive player.
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Carcillo - Richards - Gagne
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
JvR - Giroux - Leino
Powe - Betts - Lappy

Unless one of Hartnell, Carter, Briere, or Gagne is gone, where would Thoresen fit? I doubt he'd want to come back and not even make the lineup.

Really, something has to happen in the off season for him to have a chance. Alternatively, if they don't re-sign Powe (which by all accounts they're very close to a deal ), and Carcillo goes down to the fourth line, Hartnell gets bumped, Leino moves up, Thor could go on the third line. I personally find that unlikely.
I'd like something like:

Gagne - Richards - Leino
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Thoresen
Carcillo - Betts - Laperriere
Powe

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But for the record, I totally would love to see Thor back.

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If Thoresen comes back I will buy a Thoresen jersey. I was a huge fan of him back when he was here. He almost lost a damn nut for this team! That's Lappy territory!

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You mean the one where he was an absolute puck-shark, hard-worker, but was the most unlucky finisher I've ever seen?

104 games, 46 goals, and 74 assists later for 120 points over the course of two years, one of which spent dominating the KHL, is not good enough for you?

Thor has offensive talent. Not 50-60 points, but I'll take 25-30 next to Giroux. It's better than Asham.

I'm assuming YOU missed his 1st stint here. Oh, and also every game he's played since.
Unlucky = horrible? I like Thor, who will ever forget the nutblock and subsequent return? But the guy is an awful finisher, plain and simple.

And you say you'll take 25-30 next to Giroux. Asham had 24 and added pugilism and physicality, so even you are admitting Thor isn't really an upgrade with your projected production.

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I'm sorry, do you mind refuting my point?

You realize that in 08-09, the immortal Kevin Dallman was 5th in the KHL in points and that in 09-10, Mattias Weinhandl was 5th.

The KHL is a league where players who couldn't cut it in the NHL go and suddenly become elite scorers.

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Thoreson's the type of player of which this team already has enough. We've been talking throughout the year how we're going to have to let some guys go this offseason simply because it makes more sense to bring along guys from the A.

Signing Thoreson again over keeping a guy like Asham, who I feel has been just tremendous this year, doesn't make any sense to me.

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Speaking of immortal, Branko Radivojevic was 9th in scoring.

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Yeah, using the KHL as support for saying a player is a good scorer in this context is like me saying my short game is good at a mini-golf course.

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Thoresen is a better player than Asham right now. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

I like Asham too, but he won't be here next year. We need to fill out our lines with offensive talent. Thor has that.

And no, the occasional deke is not offensive talent.
Asham can make a shot and bang bodies better than Thoresen too and he's tough as hell.

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Asham can make a shot and bang bodies better than Thoresen too and he's tough as hell.
I know he is, but I'd rather give someone faster to Giroux and JVR, someone who is tough along the boards, can work hard, and still finish a bit.

We know Powe has bricks of hands, and in a good year Asham can put up a few points.

Still...Thoresen fits what we need more than Asham or Powe.

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Unlucky = horrible? I like Thor, who will ever forget the nutblock and subsequent return? But the guy is an awful finisher, plain and simple.

And you say you'll take 25-30 next to Giroux. Asham had 24 and added pugilism and physicality, so even you are admitting Thor isn't really an upgrade with your projected production.
Thoresen getting 25-30 next to Giroux is probably a safe bet. Maybe up to 40 if he's having a good year and Giroux finally reaches PPG status? Asham had 24 in a GREAT year.

As for not much of an upgrade offensively...what is wrong with you people? Seriously? Do things only work one way?

It's proven that NHL dropouts go over and put up big points in the KHL. That's a half-truth. Looking for bigger contracts, foreign players who have talent enough to put up some points but won't ever make big money go to the KHL.

If you think Asham would put up Thoresen numbers overseas, you're beyond saving.

Thoresen is not a bad finisher. He's not elite, but he's not bad.

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I'm sorry, do you mind refuting my point?

You realize that in 08-09, the immortal Kevin Dallman was 5th in the KHL in points and that in 09-10, Mattias Weinhandl was 5th.

The KHL is a league where players who couldn't cut it in the NHL go and suddenly become elite scorers.
Just refuted it.


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I know he is, but I'd rather give someone faster to Giroux and JVR, someone who is tough along the boards, can work hard, and still finish a bit.

We know Powe has bricks of hands, and in a good year Asham can put up a few points.

Still...Thoresen fits what we need more than Asham or Powe.
...Thoresen and Powe are essentially the same player, but Powe is a lot more physical. Both are hustle guys, that can give you some situational minutes with some offensive chops. Thor certainly has better hands than he showed his first time around, but nothing to write home about.

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...Thoresen and Powe are essentially the same player, but Powe is a lot more physical. Both are hustle guys, that can give you some situational minutes with some offensive chops. Thor certainly has better hands than he showed his first time around, but nothing to write home about.
Calling the Devils the Capitals when they are completely different doesn't work right?

I smell hypocrisy every time you come out of the woodwork.

That said, Thor and Powe are similar. They both have speed, puck-sharking, a little bit of physicality, good board-work, and are decent defensively. However, Powe would never put up Thor-esque numbers overseas. Thoresen is a bigger offensive threat. Powe is built to be a banger and crasher though. He's stronger and more bottom heavy than Thor.

Also note: I've wanted Powe to play in Asham's spot all season.

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I know he is, but I'd rather give someone faster to Giroux and JVR, someone who is tough along the boards, can work hard, and still finish a bit.

We know Powe has bricks of hands, and in a good year Asham can put up a few points.

Still...Thoresen fits what we need more than Asham or Powe.
You're right about Powe, too bad his hands aren't half as good as his wheels. Yeah, I'm a dinosaur, I like the tough guys. Giroux and JVR also didn't get messed with much this year. Sometimes what guys bring doesn't show up on the scoresheet. Thoresen wouldn't help you any there at all.

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