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02-24-2005, 12:38 PM
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There must be a limit then....Brown isn't on the list so I guess it is in between.

its a list for AHL players only...decent list, very surprised to see kronwall that high though.

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People who I think are too high or shouldn't be on the list

8. Getzlaf - too high

13. Shea Weber - too high

18. Corey Perry - too high

23. Mike Richards - shouldn't be on the list

33. Carlo Colaiacovo - shouldn't be on the list

40. Cam Ward - shouldn't be on the list

44. Jiri Hudler - shouldn't be on the list

there is more but I'm too tired to type more.
I'll agree Perry might be a little too high, but Richards not on the list? Are you sure that's not a typo? I doubt you'll find anybody who doesn't think he's a top 50 prospect. 23 is too high, but not on the list? That's quite a statement. He's a hard nosed leader who's great all-around. We don't know whether he'll make an impact as a scorer in the NHL but with his defence and grit, he'll be make it for sure and be a strong two-way guy.

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02-24-2005, 12:42 PM
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My point is that you mentioned all but 1 who were canadians and its obvious you are talking out of your ass and doing a bad job at it.

do you think Shea Weber should be at #13?

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23 is too high, but not on the list?

I don't think he'll be an impact forward, thus, he's not on my top 50 list.

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02-24-2005, 12:44 PM
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People who I think are too high or shouldn't be on the list

8. Getzlaf - too high

13. Shea Weber - too high

18. Corey Perry - too high

23. Mike Richards - shouldn't be on the list

33. Carlo Colaiacovo - shouldn't be on the list

40. Cam Ward - shouldn't be on the list

44. Jiri Hudler - shouldn't be on the list

there is more but I'm too tired to type more.
Good.

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02-24-2005, 01:02 PM
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Well it does happen to be the most important tournament for that age group. It also happens to be the latest big tournament they've played in. And lastly it also happens to be the stage where they are competing against all the best players from their age group from across the world.

So if it the latest, greatest and biggest test of them, shouldn't their performance in such a tournament be more heavily weighted than their regular seasons performance for their club team? I would say so.

Some guys step it up in pressure situations and in do or die situations. The World Juniors helps show which players do that. And NHL teams want players who make a difference in the crunch time.

I have no idea why you think it shouldn't be the most heavily weighted recent performance for most of these guys.
It's 7 games maximum + a few exhibition games.
It's definitely a better showcase for fans to see all of these players... but it should really only be worth a little more than any 7 game stretch with their club teams.
The WJC's may be billed as the best in the world, but honestly... how badly would a 4th string Team Canada whup Belarus, Germany, Switzerland?
How do those 3 teams compare to an average CHL team? ... Hell, how do the mid-range WJC teams compare to average - good CHL teams?
How would the London Knights have done in the WJC's in place of Team Canada?

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02-24-2005, 02:01 PM
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I don't think he'll be an impact forward, thus, he's not on my top 50 list.
Can you name 30 impact forwards? The fact is that Mike Richards is one of the safest prospects out there. His down side is a solid #3 center and his upside is a very very good 2 way #2 center capable of 45 assists and 65 points.

I think Vlad said it best a while back when he said something to the effect of ' Richards isn't in my top 10 from his draft class because of potential, but I expect him to be one of the top 10 players from his class'.

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02-24-2005, 02:40 PM
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do you think Shea Weber should be at #13?
Its hard to say really. He fell in the draft only because of the injury he sustained and proved this year that he is a force. I think he has every bit as much upside as any defensmen in the 2003 draft not named Phaneuf.

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Can somebody list the Blues top 10 for me please.

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02-24-2005, 04:43 PM
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There must be a limit then....Brown isn't on the list so I guess it is in between.
I would assume anyone falling within the boundaries of Calder eligibilty can be included.

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alright, those of you that have been around here a while know that requesting\posting information from a copyrighted source, especially one that requires a fee, is a no-no. any more of that and I'll have to close the thread.

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I don't think he'll be an impact forward, thus, he's not on my top 50 list.
He's a really safe bet who does deserve to be on the list, IMO.

I think his upside is a little understated. It's unlikely he will be an amazing player but he has a very good talent level. I think he could score a little more than he is getting credit for and be a solid 2nd liner. And it's just impossible to find enough 1st line forwards to fill such lists, unless you are very flexible when it comes to boom or busts and unlikely guys.

Combine this talent level with his work ethic, competitiveness, leadership, consistency and you have one of the lesser question mark on prospects lists, which I see as pretty much all question marks. He's not going to crush people but I feel he has a nice gritty edge and will develop into an all-around player.

To each his own, I guess.

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02-24-2005, 07:34 PM
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http://www.minorleaguenews.com/hocke.../FAB50/01.html

Another top 50 list, only for top minor league prospects. Players who have played in the NHL don't count... I think. Since t is a public list. Here is the top ten, I am too lazy to type it all out.

1.) Lehtonen
2.) Kronwall
3.) Sutter
4.) Toivonen
5.) Parise
6.) Fleury
7.) Grebeshkov
8.) Miller
9.) Colaiacovo
10.) Vanek
this list is worst than THN.. Kronwall??? I like him, but number 2??? And what the hell is Toivonen doing in front of Fleury?

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do you think Shea Weber should be at #13?
13 might be high, but he is (was?) one of the most underrated prospects in the game, for sure. He is as good or better than a lot of WHL defensemen that get more credit. I'd say he's the fourth best Canadian defense prospect, behind Barker, Phaneuf and Coburn.

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I just read my copy and I was suprised a few prospects weren't included in their teams top 10s:

Washington - Mike Green ( i know wsh's loaded with good prospects, but take a look at what he's doing in the WHL this year, i think he's going to be a VERY solid 3-4 D man for years to come....he's got a mean streak )

Anyone agree? Disagree?

You're so right, its painful. Mike Green, according to HF standards should be no lower than 7th. I think Eminger, Morrisonn and Semin are all ineligable for the THN list, so he should be 4th on theirs.


THN blows.

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can anybody show me where to buy this issue online or something?

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Can somebody list the Blues top 10 for me please.
1. Marek Schwarz
2. Carl Soderberg
3. David Backes
4. Dennis Wideman
5. Roman Polak
6. Aaron McKenzie
7. Jon DiSalvatore
8. Jay McClement
9. Blake Evans
10. Konstantin Zakharov

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can anybody show me where to buy this issue online or something?
http://www.thehockeynews.com

click THN Store and then click back issues...they might not have that issue available yet but should soon...

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