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04-27-2010, 05:21 PM
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If they offered Zajac for Price, would you bite?
No...Zajac is a 20 goal scorer, 4 million cap hit...he's replacable. Even for Parise I would not do it.

Nothing personal against Jersey, but only way they get Price is if they grossly overpay. Price has high end skill and put him with a tudor like Brodeur playing in Jersey's system you have the Vezina winner 10 of the next 15 years. Look how good Clemmenson looked playing in Jersey's system.

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Zack Parise went 17th in 2003 and Price went 5th in 2005, yet a ton of you laugh at the trade? As usual you want Hab players but somehow they are all worth a bag of pucks.
Keep your players, all your players, don't call back, don't offer anything, just go away.

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04-27-2010, 05:24 PM
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While I agree he still may develop into a great goalie -- we run into great goalies all the time. We need to deal from our assets, we have two amazing young goaltenders and one really good young goalie in our system (Desjardins).

If we could manage to get a guy like Zajac, who is fairly big, we are set for the forseeable future in the top-6.

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Zajac
- Gomez - Gionta
Pyatt - Moore - Lapierre
Pouliot - White - Moen
Darche

This could also open up the possibility of a trade to acquire a big winger. Possibily the Kostitsyns to Chicago for Patrick Sharp or San Jose for Ryane Clowe.

That's probably more wishful thinking than anything, but the pieces are there to improve this team. Unfortunately, moving one of the goalies will be the biggest help. And hopefully there is a taker for the Kostitsyn brothers, since JM won't ever like Sergei.
Zajac on the wing? I really think if that kind of trade would happen, one of either Gomez or Plekanec would be gone in the same or another trade. His face off numbers this year are better then anyone on our team.

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You should have included Sergei in there just to get rid of dead weight.


We all know a video game is the ultimate decider when it comes to trade debates!

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S. Kosty
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It could happen as I made that trade on my Sega Genesis.

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No...Zajac is a 20 goal scorer, 4 million cap hit...he's replacable. Even for Parise I would not do it.

Nothing personal against Jersey, but only way they get Price is if they grossly overpay. Price has high end skill and put him with a tudor like Brodeur playing in Jersey's system you have the Vezina winner 10 of the next 15 years. Look how good Clemmenson looked playing in Jersey's system.
Zajac is not only a 20-goal scorer. He's 24 years old, and is arguably among the best 2-way forwards in the league. But I agree that giving them Price would be a huge mistake.

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No effin way. I can't wait to see the Devils have a crappy goalie for once.

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Would something like;

The only players I'd trade Price for on New Jersey is Parise (not happening) and Travis Zajac.

Guys I'd be interested in working a deal would be Paul Martin and potentially Andy Greene.

Prospects that bring interest are;

Mike Hoeffel, Nick Palmieri, Matt Corrente, Mattias Tedenby, and to a lesser extent, Tyler Eckford.
Parise and Zajac are untouchable. Parise because he is the franchise player, and Zajac because he is the only natural center on the team good enough to play on a top 3 line.

Martin is an UFA. Greene isn't anything special, but he's one of only two competent even strength defensemen the team has (along with Martin), so he's unmovable from that standpoint.

Want to know why the Devils sucked this postseason? Lack of natural centers and defensemen with puck skills.

Also, where did this supposed rumor come from?

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Zajac is not only a 20-goal scorer. He's 24 years old, and is arguably among the best 2-way forwards in the league. But I agree that giving them Price would be a huge mistake.
What he brings to the team we loose more to a rival. The trade will cost us about 3 playoff eliminations over next 15 years. Zajac isn't enough of upgrade over Pleks or Gomez to warrant making the trade.

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04-27-2010, 05:29 PM
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They carry value when the team is desperate. Martin Brodeur is great, but you can clearly see he's on his last legs, at least in New Jersey. He hasn't been able to step it up in the playoffs in how many years? I think the Devils have only got out of the 1st Round once in the last 4-seasons.

Their other options are Yann Danis and Jeff Frazee. They may pay a little to get Price, especially if they can keep Kovalchuk.
Devils aren't desperate. Brodeur isn't as good as he used to be, but he's still one of the Top 10 goalies in the league. He will end up with a deserved 3rd place Vezina finish from last year. He also was one of the few Devils who played fairly well most of the time in the playoffs this past year.

At minimum, Brodeur plays out the final two years of his contract.

I can see the Devils trading for a goalie of the future if one falls into their lap for cheap. But there is no need to trade major assets for one just yet.

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04-27-2010, 05:31 PM
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What he brings to the team we loose more to a rival. The trade will cost us about 3 playoff eliminations over next 15 years. Zajac isn't enough of upgrade over Pleks or Gomez to warrant making the trade.
No way they trade Zajac for Price anyways. I promiss you that.

There is a few good goalie prospects available out there... You even said it yourself, if Jersey can make Clemmenson look so good... They won't need a goalie with "Carey Price upside" then.

Goalies have little to no trade value. It's a fact. Price could never land you Parise or Zajac and I'd bet my life on it.

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04-27-2010, 05:35 PM
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No way they trade Zajac for Price anyways. I promiss you that.

There is a few good goalie prospects available out there... You even said it yourself, if Jersey can make Clemmenson look so good... They won't need a goalie with "Carey Price upside" then.

Goalies have little to no trade value. It's a fact. Price could never land you Parise or Zajac and I'd bet my life on it.
Get the roughly same trade value for Price from west conference team plus we don't have to face him. I wouldn't touch trading Price to a Jersey or Philly. I would trade him to east team like Florida or Atlanta if they overpaid. But it is only way. Trade to Jersey or Philly be a big mistake for Montreal.

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Devils aren't desperate. Brodeur isn't as good as he used to be, but he's still one of the Top 10 goalies in the league. He will end up with a deserved 3rd place Vezina finish from last year. He also was one of the few Devils who played fairly well most of the time in the playoffs this past year.

At minimum, Brodeur plays out the final two years of his contract.

I can see the Devils trading for a goalie of the future if one falls into their lap for cheap. But there is no need to trade major assets for one just yet.
The problem I see with Brodeur is that he can't step up in big time situations anymore. He's still an amazing goalie during the season, but he's had a rough ride in both the playoffs and Olympics of late. Maybe I'm reading too much into the situation.

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No...Zajac is a 20 goal scorer, 4 million cap hit...he's replacable. Even for Parise I would not do it.

Nothing personal against Jersey, but only way they get Price is if they grossly overpay. Price has high end skill and put him with a tudor like Brodeur playing in Jersey's system you have the Vezina winner 10 of the next 15 years. Look how good Clemmenson looked playing in Jersey's system.
I'm sorry, but once I read that, I just can't keep reading.

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The problem I see with Brodeur is that he can't step up in big time situations anymore. He's still an amazing goalie during the season, but he's had a rough ride in both the playoffs and Olympics of late. Maybe I'm reading too much into the situation.
He was great in the 2009 playoffs; basically carried the team to Game 7.

He was terrible in the Olympics - it happened in the middle of possibly the longest slump of his career (lasted through most of January and February).

He was hit or miss in the 2010 playoffs. He was okay in Games 1 and 2. He was godlike in the Devils' game 3 loss to the Flyers. All 3 goals against him were on unstoppable backdoor plays that were uncontested by the crappy defensemen. He wasn't so great in Game 4 and 5, but the team as a whole basically gave up halfway through game 4 when they fell behind.

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Out of curiousity, would you base a deal around Rolston for Hamrlik? I know rolston seems to be going downhill but i think its the system he's in. He's got a good slapshot, plays Center, winger, point man on pp, that's why i ask. Of course, I doubt i'd do it straight up. Just wondering of a trade on another front. I'm very borderling on the idea myself.
The Devils would love this trade, even throwing in a draft pick and/or average prospect to sweaten it. They are desperate for competent defensemen and they are equally desperate to unload salary from the wing. That's what Rolston is - a natural wing. He definitely is better offensively than his stats indicate (first buried behind Parise and Elias then Parise and Kovalchuk). But he is also incredibly soft in the corners now, so that comes along with the package.

Montreal fixed one of the Rangers mistakes (Gomez) and actually turned him into something useful. I would love it if they fixed Lou's biggest mistake (Rolston) and actually turned him into something useful.

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04-27-2010, 05:48 PM
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Get the roughly same trade value for Price from west conference team plus we don't have to face him. I wouldn't touch trading Price to a Jersey or Philly. I would trade him to east team like Florida or Atlanta if they overpaid. But it is only way. Trade to Jersey or Philly be a big mistake for Montreal.
What can Florida or Atlanta offer us in over payment that would be worth our while? Both teams have some solid young players on them, but their vets are nothing to brag about and wouldn't be anything in terms of upgrade to our line up. No way they trade young assets like Bergfors, Bogosian or Kane... They are part of the rebuilding process.

As for the West, who really desperately needs a goalie, and is willing to over pay for one?

I really do agree with a guy like Brian Burke ( as much as I hate to say it ), the market for goal tenders is a very poor one if your seeking a big return.

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I can't stop laughing at the Parise suggestion.

Listen, enough packaging Spacek and others along with Price thinking "Hey, Price is in there so they'll take it for sure". That's not how it works. Spacek is a mid-aged 3rd-4th defenseman that makes a bit of money. Andrei is about as streaky as my underpants on a Sunday afternoon after baked beans.

Put Price in alone, and maybe New Jersey would bite and send back possibly Zubrus or someone along those lines.

But Parise? Yeah, no.
yeah ok there Milbury !

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I'm sorry, but once I read that, I just can't keep reading.
I was about to post the same thing... wow, that was brutal...

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Parise and Zajac are untouchable. Parise because he is the franchise player, and Zajac because he is the only natural center on the team good enough to play on a top 3 line.

Martin is an UFA. Greene isn't anything special, but he's one of only two competent even strength defensemen the team has (along with Martin), so he's unmovable from that standpoint.

Want to know why the Devils sucked this postseason? Lack of natural centers and defensemen with puck skills.

Also, where did this supposed rumor come from?
My proposal was good
You get a franchise goalie in Price
Number 2 center in Maxwell
Number 2 D man in Hamrlik
Number 3 D PP specialist in Weber

We get Zajac, Josefson, Clarkson, and Fraser.

If that is not enough we can toss in with prejudice disappointment our #1 enforcer and best in League fighter George Laraque and Mad Max Lapierre to add another center. You now have a number 2 and 3 center. This would be flat out theft to give up so much.

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The Devils would love this trade, even throwing in a draft pick and/or average prospect to sweaten it. They are desperate for competent defensemen and they are equally desperate to unload salary from the wing. That's what Rolston is - a natural wing. He definitely is better offensively than his stats indicate (first buried behind Parise and Elias then Parise and Kovalchuk). But he is also incredibly soft in the corners now, so that comes along with the package.

Montreal fixed one of the Rangers mistakes (Gomez) and actually turned him into something useful. I would love it if they fixed Lou's biggest mistake (Rolston) and actually turned him into something useful.
I think it would have to have a few more pieces involved though.

Rolston
Clarkson

Hamrlik
Lapierre

or something like that.


Andrei-Plek-Cam
Pouliot-Gomez-Gionta
Pyatt-Rolston-Clarkson
Moen-Metro/Moore-White

I would love this on our end.

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I think it would have to have a few more pieces involved though.

Rolston
Clarkson

Hamrlik
Lapierre

or something like that.


Andrei-Plek-Cam
Pouliot-Gomez-Gionta
Pyatt-Rolston-Clarkson
Moen-Metro/Moore-White

I would love this on our end.
IMO we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot taking on another 2 years @ 5 million with Rolston.

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IMO we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot taking on another 2 years @ 5 million with Rolston.
It would hurt since Hammer only has one year left at $5.5. It would be nice to get Clarkson though I imagine that Ryan White can make it some time next year and we would finally have some toughness on the team.

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Wait what RDS said Vinny for Price?

Is that what i read or what..

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IMO we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot taking on another 2 years @ 5 million with Rolston.
Not necessarily, Gill's contract will end after next year and i'm under the assumption, if halak/price isn't traded this summer, by the summer after they will, freeing up more capspace. If rolston rebounds, which, playing with markov on the PP will do to you, he won't be THAT hard to remove with 1 year left.

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Zack Parise went 17th in 2003 and Price went 5th in 2005, yet a ton of you laugh at the trade? As usual you want Hab players but somehow they are all worth a bag of pucks.
Keep your players, all your players, don't call back, don't offer anything, just go away.
... Parise is a 25 year old proven 40 goal scorer.... it doesn't matter where he was drafted.

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No...Zajac is a 20 goal scorer, 4 million cap hit...he's replacable. Even for Parise I would not do it.

Nothing personal against Jersey, but only way they get Price is if they grossly overpay. Price has high end skill and put him with a tudor like Brodeur playing in Jersey's system you have the Vezina winner 10 of the next 15 years. Look how good Clemmenson looked playing in Jersey's system.
Parise is a gross over payment for price. Every GM in the league would jump on that. Esp if they had Halak.


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Parise is a gross over payment for price. Every GM in the league would jump on that. Esp if they had Halak.
But Jersey owes us for picking A Kostitsyn instead of Parise.

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Not necessarily, Gill's contract will end after next year and i'm under the assumption, if halak/price isn't traded this summer, by the summer after they will, freeing up more capspace. If rolston rebounds, which, playing with markov on the PP will do to you, he won't be THAT hard to remove with 1 year left.
I just think the money can be spent better elsewhere.

No sense adding a 36 year old player on the decline. We have a good core of young veterans on the team and have some decent prospects.

I don't think a PP point shot is worth 5M a year, especially when Subban is right around the corner. Plus Weber is another option, heck even Carle was progressing nicely before his injury this season.

It's not an albatross of a contract, but I do believe there options out there we should look into before Rolston.

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