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04-28-2010, 11:16 AM
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OK folks, I realize there's a Lappy love fest going on, but...

Carter is our best goal scorer.

Carter is our only center with size.

Carter was playing the most even strength minutes of our forwards against the Devs, I believe.

And, last but not least, Jeff Carter is a good PKer. Only reason he wasn't killing penalties against the Devs is because of the foot I'm pretty sure, and by now it may have healed to the point where they could have put him in that position without fearing further injury too bad.

Frankly, Gagne is a more valuable player than Lappy. Why? He's also a PKer, and a significantly more valuable player at even strength and also does the PP (which Lappy doesn't do).

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04-28-2010, 11:32 AM
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Lappy. With all the freaking penalties called in these playoffs, losing a guy like him is huge. With all the penalties we take. Someone will need to step up like Powe or Giroux.

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04-28-2010, 11:37 AM
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Our whole PK has been effective in the playoffs so far, not just Betts-Lappy. It's easy to notice blocked shots, but the other guys play a more aggressive PK style and force turnovers and bad shots rather than sliding and blocking as much. Losing Lappy hurts our depth and forces us to maybe overuse guys who weren't spending as much time on the PK, but we could survive without Lappy. If Carter and Gagne weren't hurt but Lappy was, would we really be as doom and gloom?

In this case, it might be the straw that broke the camel's back though.

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04-28-2010, 11:49 AM
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Of Carter, Gagne, and Laperriere, who is the team going to miss the most and why?

I'd go with Carter, Lappy, Gagne, but am tempted to put Lappy ahead of Carter just because I think it's going to become very clear how much we need him on the PK when we take 8 penalties a game and the Caps (probably, maybe B's) are scoring 3 PP goals per game.
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I'd say Lappy, Gagne, Carter.

Carter didn't do too much besides the game he got hurt. Gagne at least had been killing penalties and being physical.
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Lappy. With all the freaking penalties called in these playoffs, losing a guy like him is huge. With all the penalties we take. Someone will need to step up like Powe or Giroux.
You guys can't be serious. Carter at 100% is our BIGGEST offensive threat on the ice, and our team is having trouble SCORING GOALS. He is also a good PK'er.

This isn't even close. Carter by a mile. Gagne is up there also, sure, but he is a smaller, worse puck handling version of Carter who plays wing.

Lappy is a 4th liner with heart and soul. Love the guy, but seriously? Lappy ahead of Carter or Gagne? WTF?

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It's Carter by a god damn mile. Is this even a serious question? Lappy is a hell of a player, but you can teach good penalty killing to almost anyone who's willing to do it. Gagne is a good defender and when he starts scoring can be a hell of a player, but he has been cool for a while. You can't teach people to skate like Carter, be 63'', or shoot like he does. Plus he plays very good defense as a center...Like I said, Carter by a longshot.

If we had Carter healthy tomorrow I would honestly like our chances against anyone in the East. We'd be at worst a coin flip versus any of the teams left IMO.
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+1. People love guys like Lappy because they are all heart, but lets be real.
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04-28-2010, 11:49 AM
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I'm going to say Lappy, because we are already starting to stretch our depth thin, he just makes it much more worse

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I'm going to say Lappy, because we are already starting to stretch our depth thin, he just makes it much more worse
You might as well be saying having 3 guys hurt is worse than having 2. Of course that's true.

But if you could pick one guy to be hurt of the three and have it damage the team's chances the most, it's not Laperriere.

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04-28-2010, 12:13 PM
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Our whole PK has been effective in the playoffs so far, not just Betts-Lappy. It's easy to notice blocked shots, but the other guys play a more aggressive PK style and force turnovers and bad shots rather than sliding and blocking as much. Losing Lappy hurts our depth and forces us to maybe overuse guys who weren't spending as much time on the PK, but we could survive without Lappy. If Carter and Gagne weren't hurt but Lappy was, would we really be as doom and gloom?

In this case, it might be the straw that broke the camel's back though.
Carter was, as Jester noted, one of our key PKers, as was Gagne, who was fantastic vs. NJ.

Normal rotation late in the year before Carter got hurt the first time, iirc, was:

Betts-Lappy
Gagne-Richards
Carter-Powe

After Carter came back playing hurt, Giroux played in the third pairing with Powe.

Last year, Hartnell did do a lot of PK work, I don't see why he couldn't do some more now. And Kalinski, Nodl or Ross are all capable of stepping in to help for the inevitable double minors we are going to get screwed with...

Now?

Betts-Powe
Richards-Giroux
Hartnell-Kalinski?

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04-28-2010, 12:26 PM
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It's Carter by a god damn mile. Is this even a serious question? Lappy is a hell of a player, but you can teach good penalty killing to almost anyone who's willing to do it. Gagne is a good defender and when he starts scoring can be a hell of a player, but he has been cool for a while. You can't teach people to skate like Carter, be 63'', or shoot like he does. Plus he plays very good defense as a center...Like I said, Carter by a longshot.

If we had Carter healthy tomorrow I would honestly like our chances against anyone in the East. We'd be at worst a coin flip versus any of the teams left IMO.
yep. Lappy is a distant 3rd and that is not a knock on him at all.

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04-28-2010, 12:30 PM
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My heart says Lappy.

My brain says Carter.

Goota say, I trust my brain on this one.

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They are all bad losses because they all put an AHL player into the roster.

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04-28-2010, 03:41 PM
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When Carter is on his game being the goal-scoring machine that he is, it's him. Otherwise, it's Lappy or Gagne.

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04-28-2010, 04:02 PM
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They are all bad losses because they all put an AHL player into the roster.
The proper answer.

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I love Lappy, he brings it all every night but people are severely overrating what he brings to this team. Sure he's a great penalty killer, but we've got guys that can kill penalties as well. We've still got Richards, Betts, Powe, Giroux, and potentially Kalinski/Nodl. Not an ideal switch, but we're not going to be on the PK the entire game. What Lappy does can be replaced. We're missing our 2nd best two-way forward in Gagne, and our leading goalscorer in Carter.

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04-28-2010, 04:40 PM
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I love Lappy, he brings it all every night but people are severely overrating what he brings to this team. Sure he's a great penalty killer, but we've got guys that can kill penalties as well. We've still got Richards, Betts, Powe, Giroux, and potentially Kalinski/Nodl. Not an ideal switch, but we're not going to be on the PK the entire game. What Lappy does can be replaced. We're missing our 2nd best two-way forward in Gagne, and our leading goalscorer in Carter.
Because we aren't allowed to do 'fixed' posts, I've fixed it below:

Not an ideal switch, but we're not going to be on the PK the entire game or we're screwed whether Lappy is in or not.

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04-28-2010, 05:00 PM
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Carter.

Best goal scorer, our "big" center, plays good defense, best wrist shot ion the team, penalty kill, powerplay.

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04-28-2010, 06:16 PM
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They are all bad losses because they all put an AHL player into the roster.
If Kalinski gets called up, I think it's a discredit to him to call him an AHL player. Yes, he plays in the AHL, but I'm pretty sure he's proven himself capable of being on a team's lower line(s).

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04-28-2010, 06:52 PM
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lappy by far.... take away the PK take away the fact he puts his body into each puck, hes been consistent in his play all year and in the playoffs. carter turned it on 1 game and got injured. we dont know how that will have panned out. but in terms of hurting us the most, well its lappy. who knows what could happen with him. hes got a brain contusion. what are the longterm affects of that? its the same concern i had with gags before.

broken feet heal. lappys presence has too many intangibles that go with it. what would be catastrophic is if we lost bettsy also

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04-28-2010, 06:55 PM
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I love Lappy, he brings it all every night but people are severely overrating what he brings to this team. Sure he's a great penalty killer, but we've got guys that can kill penalties as well. We've still got Richards, Betts, Powe, Giroux, and potentially Kalinski/Nodl. Not an ideal switch, but we're not going to be on the PK the entire game. What Lappy does can be replaced. We're missing our 2nd best two-way forward in Gagne, and our leading goalscorer in Carter.
it can. now other then betts,show me who else is willing to do it with the frequency as he does.

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04-28-2010, 07:05 PM
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OK folks, I realize there's a Lappy love fest going on, but...

Carter is our best goal scorer.

Carter is our only center with size.

Carter was playing the most even strength minutes of our forwards against the Devs, I believe.

And, last but not least, Jeff Carter is a good PKer. Only reason he wasn't killing penalties against the Devs is because of the foot I'm pretty sure, and by now it may have healed to the point where they could have put him in that position without fearing further injury too bad.
I've got nothing more to add. And I don't think it's close.

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04-28-2010, 07:06 PM
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Losing lappy kills, he was on a 4th line that outplayed the other teams 4th line pretty much all season. He also plays on the PK every shift he is able which allows our other guys to not have to play as much which is huge. He also brings intangibles and the other players absolutely love him. Skill wise losing carter hurts more. They each bring different things to the table

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04-28-2010, 07:43 PM
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The only thing about losing Lappy is that it he is far easier for everyone to rally around than Gagne and Carter. . . after he went out of the game EVERYONE was jumping in front of shots. They didn't play a bad shift the rest of the game. Even when the Devils were throwing everything at them in the final minutes, the Flyers didn't back down.

Not saying guys wouldn't step up with Gagne and Carter out, but not in the way they'll do it for a stanley cup winning veteran player who has now blocked TWO shots with his face.

So i guess back to the question . . . it is worse losing Carter than Gagne, but it could actually be a bit of a godsend with Lappy out even though he was such a great role guy on the ice.

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It's Carter by a god damn mile. Is this even a serious question? Lappy is a hell of a player, but you can teach good penalty killing to almost anyone who's willing to do it. Gagne is a good defender and when he starts scoring can be a hell of a player, but he has been cool for a while. You can't teach people to skate like Carter, be 63'', or shoot like he does. Plus he plays very good defense as a center...Like I said, Carter by a longshot.

If we had Carter healthy tomorrow I would honestly like our chances against anyone in the East. We'd be at worst a coin flip versus any of the teams left IMO.
Someone should teach Carter about being 6'3".

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04-28-2010, 09:18 PM
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Boston's PP sucks anyway. Don't let Chara shoot, and you're fine. They were 23rd in the regular season.

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The Flyers won without Carter this year, didn't they? When they were absent Lap and Betts, hoo boy, they stank.

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Someone should teach Carter about being 6'3".
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