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04-28-2010, 05:31 PM
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Another reason to keep Hamhuis

http://blogs.tennessean.com/predator...-clancy-award/


I knew he was a good human being, but not that good.

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04-28-2010, 11:30 PM
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I know Dan personally and there is no better playing this game. On top of the charity work listed, Dan has been a huge supporter of "Best Buddies". An organization that matches up adults with delayed-adults as "buddies". Dan originally came to a fundraiser where Barry Trotz was the speaker. Barry's youngest son has Down Syndrome. Barry knows that someday his son will be an adult and could benefit hugely from a "buddy" to hang with.

Dan not only made a large financial donation, he became a buddy. He then got Pekka and Weber to do the same.

Dan's a perfect family man, with a lovely wife and two kids. He walks the walks.

I know for a fact Dan really wants to stay here. It's home. It's a shame that'll probably have to let him go. He can make too much more money somewhere else.

This guy defines character. He will be missed.

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04-29-2010, 12:00 AM
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Ok, I know I am crazy but does anyone know if Hamhuis has a brother? maybe even a twin? There was a guy who looked just like him, dressed in a suit, as you would expect a scratched player to be, sitting in 103 at the concluson of warmups monday night. Both me and my canadian friend were sure it was Hammer.. we got there late so didnt see that Dan was on the ice for warmups, and I just assumed he was hurt from the Hossa hit and was a scratch.

It was creepy, but I do have a witness who agrees with me that it looked just like him...

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On top of the charity work listed, Dan has been a huge supporter of "Best Buddies". An organization that matches up adults with delayed-adults as "buddies". Dan originally came to a fundraiser where Barry Trotz was the speaker. Barry's youngest son has Down Syndrome. Barry knows that someday his son will be an adult and could benefit hugely from a "buddy" to hang with.
He comes to the Green Hills YMCA Teen Center and hangs out with one of my special needs teens. He takes this teen out to lunch and brings him presents on his birthday every year. Last year he gave the teen a personalized jersey with the guys name on it and this year he came in and gave him a game used stick and played floor hockey with him.

There is no way that I cannot stand up and applaud him for his selflessness and service to our community. The man has great character.

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04-29-2010, 04:03 PM
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It's a shame more of these guys aren't promoted in the press for their sense of goodness in life. I know the guys don't want to spotlight for doing what they do but it's good to see he's recognized for this. I hope we can re-sign him for next year and beyond. It would be a shame to see him grow as he has over the years to lose him to another team and more importantly, another city. Poile, work your magic and get Dan re-signed.

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04-29-2010, 06:27 PM
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I'd love to keep Hamhuis, but when it comes down to it, the money just isn't there from what I see. Dan deserves to cash in.

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04-29-2010, 08:19 PM
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I'd love to keep Hamhuis, but when it comes down to it, the money just isn't there from what I see. Dan deserves to cash in.
but there is money for Captain Mush Head & Kevin "I am not drinking the" Klein-ade

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but there is money for Captain Mush Head & Kevin "I am not drinking the" Klein-ade
hey, I agree Arnott is overpaid, but what can you do

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Klein makes hardly anything. He can easily be fit in this lineup regardless of your feelings on him.

Dumont and Sullivan are the dead weight salary wise on this roster.

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04-29-2010, 08:49 PM
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Just read a bunch of the comments people made about Hamhuis in the fish wrap. There are a few options the Preds have here.

1) Try to re-sign Hamhuis, you have a top 4 of Weber, Suter, Hammer and Klein then fill in the 5-7 slots with Franson, Blum and Sulzer. Kind of what we tried to do this year and when it wasn't working we went out and signed Bouillon.

2) Try to re-sign Bouillon and everything is the same as above in option 1.

3) Try to re-sign Grebs. See above 1 and 2.

4) Trying re-signing Bouillon and one of either Hammer and Grebs. You then basically have the same 6 guys on the blue line if Franson keeps his spot or Blum or Sulzer take his slot. Probably the least likely of these scenarios so far.

5) Let Hamhuis, Bouillon and Grebs walk, go into the season with Weber, Suter, Klein, Franson as our top 4 and hope Blum and Sulzer are ready to compete at this level. Use the money we've then saved on using our prospects and young players on re-signing Hornqvist and possibly a cheap veteran defenseman along the lines of Bouillon. If we choose to do this I think this leaves us extremely vulnerable on special teams, especially the PK. While Hamhuis has not been what he was earlier in his career, he does a few things, eats up minutes, is rarely hurt and is a solid defenseman, not flashy or glamorous but solid. I think those saying he's not worth the money are probably right but his market value will be dictated by what other teams are willing to pay. I think when we compare him to Suter and Weber, we have unrealistic expectations that his play should be at that level. He's a very good player but not elite so where is the line of what's a fair salary for him. I think $4 million is too high but do we take the chance of paying Franson, Blum and Sulzer what we would pay to keep Hamhuis. That is probably our reality. Unless Hamhuis takes a hometown discount or the owners open their wallets a little bit, I have a funny feeling Hamhuis, Bouillon and Grebs are all gone and we have a very young blue line led by Suter and Weber with Klein our third most experienced defender. Very dangerous proposition if you ask me.

Not trying to compare this to the Trotz situation by any means but we need to be careful what we ask/wish for. I think we'll miss Hamhuis more than we think if he's gone. I think Blum has the potential to be special but can and will it happen his first year here? It's a big risk to take but at some point, the salary cap becomes our enemy.

The other possibility here is being able to unload a veteran contract, wishfully thinking it would be Arnott, use that money to keep Hamhuis and hope Wilson is ready to go.

Another possibility could be to trade some of the younger talent and replace Hamhuis with another veteran defender at a much more affordable price. Haven't done any research on who that could be but it's an option.

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Klein makes hardly anything. He can easily be fit in this lineup regardless of your feelings on him.

Dumont and Sullivan are the dead weight salary wise on this roster.
Would you add Arnott to that list?

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04-29-2010, 09:36 PM
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The Cube is very affordable, I think he signed for 800K. The few indications I read were he liked it here and was popular in the dressing room. I would think he could be signed for a decent price. I think we can tender Grebeshkov as he is an RFA and retain his rights, isn't that correct?

I think Dan likely walks now. As much has he likes it here and will be missed, this is his chance for a big contract and I don't think this franchise has the dollars. They likely give a prospect first shot at that slot then look for a veteran stop gap player if nobody appears ready-- at least that is how I see things shaking out.

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The Cube is very affordable, I think he signed for 800K. The few indications I read were he liked it here and was popular in the dressing room. I would think he could be signed for a decent price. I think we can tender Grebeshkov as he is an RFA and retain his rights, isn't that correct?

I think Dan likely walks now. As much has he likes it here and will be missed, this is his chance for a big contract and I don't think this franchise has the dollars. They likely give a prospect first shot at that slot then look for a veteran stop gap player if nobody appears ready-- at least that is how I see things shaking out.
If we tender Grebs a contract, it'll be in the $3 million range. Dan will probably get more than that on the open market so is Grebs worth that sort of money or do we go with the three headed monster of Blum, Franson and Sulzer. I think Bouillon may get more than he made this year as he proved he's healthy again. If we can get him for under $1.5 million, I'd say that's probably a good move but if it's anymore than that, I say we should let him walk.

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4) Trying re-signing Bouillon and one of either Hammer and Grebs. You then basically have the same 6 guys on the blue line if Franson keeps his spot or Blum or Sulzer take his slot. Probably the least likely of these scenarios so far.
I think this is almost the most likely. I think we should re-sign Grebs, possibly Bouillon, and let Hammer walk.

I do not think Poile traded for Grebs to just use him as a rental. I think he traded for him with the intent on re-signing him, hence him only being RFA.

The only thing that bothers me about this plan, is I'm not so sure there is enough room on this team for both Grebs and Franson. Both PP specialists who are iffy in their own zone. But at this point in time, Grebs is much more valuable to us right now than Franson. Maybe Franson could be trade-bait? He is also unsigned as well...

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I think this is almost the most likely. I think we should re-sign Grebs, possibly Bouillon, and let Hammer walk.

I do not think Poile traded for Grebs to just use him as a rental. I think he traded for him with the intent on re-signing him, hence him only being RFA.

The only thing that bothers me about this plan, is I'm not so sure there is enough room on this team for both Grebs and Franson. Both PP specialists who are iffy in their own zone. But at this point in time, Grebs is much more valuable to us right now than Franson. Maybe Franson could be trade-bait? He is also unsigned as well...
But Grebeshkov is extremely bad.

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So, any chance Arnie is ready to hang-it-up cause of the concussions? Only other way I see us freeing up the cash to sign Hammer is if someone wanted Dumont for a guy like Boyd and a pick.

I can see Poile trying to make his magic work on this, though. One other thing Hammer gives us is some protection if we just can't sign Weber down the road. I know that's one none of us wanna' ponder, but I can see someone offering Weber crazy-money to build a D around.

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But Grebeshkov is extremely bad.
lol, he's not. He was the man behind the "comeback" in game 5. I realize he played poor this season for the worst team in the league, but the year before that he was your 2nd best dman. I can't tell you how many Edmonton fans were praising him last summer. Everyone has their ups and downs.

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Hammer is the man. It's a shame that the city of Nashville glorifies thugs on the Titans, and doesn't seem to notice all the contributions the Predators make to the community. But what really makes Hammer awesome is that he does so many things...like his work with Best Buddies...on his own time, out of the sight of cameras, with no fanfare. Nobody knows about half the stuff he does, and he does it anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if he took a smaller salary here than he could get somewhere else, just to stay in a city he loves and give his family some stability. Surely he wants a raise, but I don't think he'll be making outlandish demands either.

I'll miss him if he leaves. He didn't play the best in the last few games, and he had the misfortune of being paired with Klein this year, but he's still a solid d-man...and the community will certainly miss him too.

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I know Dan personally and there is no better playing this game. On top of the charity work listed, Dan has been a huge supporter of "Best Buddies". An organization that matches up adults with delayed-adults as "buddies". Dan originally came to a fundraiser where Barry Trotz was the speaker. Barry's youngest son has Down Syndrome. Barry knows that someday his son will be an adult and could benefit hugely from a "buddy" to hang with.

Dan not only made a large financial donation, he became a buddy. He then got Pekka and Weber to do the same.

Dan's a perfect family man, with a lovely wife and two kids. He walks the walks.

I know for a fact Dan really wants to stay here. It's home. It's a shame that'll probably have to let him go. He can make too much more money somewhere else.

This guy defines character. He will be missed.
Interesting. I heard he wants to stay in Nashville bad as he considers it home and told his agent do whatever it takes to make it work. You make it sound like it's already a given it just can't be done. That's too bad.

He takes a lot of crap from fans sometimes but he is obviously a great person and he is a very good hockey player. If he goes he will be missed on and off the ice.

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But Grebeshkov is extremely bad.
No... he isn't? I doubt you would find anyone here who would have much bad to say about Grebehskov's play here in Nashville. Granted, we had a very small sample size, but I thought he did a fair job of stretching PK units and moving the puck around, something we could really use.

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His charitable work deserves praise, but doesn't deserve a raise.

Wouldn't pay more than 2.5m for him, and I'm still a little hesitant about that much. He gets beat way too much, and was a key component to our 28th ranked PK.

Mark Eaton for 1m please Alex.

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His charitable work deserves praise, but doesn't deserve a raise.

Wouldn't pay more than 2.5m for him, and I'm still a little hesitant about that much. He gets beat way too much, and was a key component to our 28th ranked PK.

Mark Eaton for 1m please Alex.
It's sad at times to realize how spoiled our fan base has been through the years with quality defensemen that other markets could only dream of having. Sure Hamhuis admittedly struggled at times, but he excelled more often than not and can be relied upon as a No. 3 defenseman here playing 18-20 minutes a night and will likely be pursued as a No. 2 defenseman in free agency and get in upwards of $4-$5 million per year and rightfully so.


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It's sad at times to realize how spoiled our fan base has been through the years with quality defensemen that other markets could only dream of having. Sure Hamhuis admittedly struggled at times, but he excelled more often than not and can be relied upon as a No. 3 defenseman here playing 18-20 minutes a night and will likely be pursued as a No. 2 defenseman in free agency and get in upwards of $4-$5 million per year and rightfully so...
I wish we could bring Hamhuis back, we just need another true number 4 guy to play with him.


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This probably is the wrong place to post it but the first step in the reorganization of the D should be to trade Franson. Yes, he played ok this year. Yes his positioning is good. Yes he helps on the PP.

His foot speed is a fatal defect that will keep him from being more than a 6th d-man, PP specialist. The top teams that we play are just too fast for him.


He isn't good enough on the PP to justify that. We should use the spot for one of the following:

1. Younger player with more upside (Blum, Josi...perhaps even Sulzer)
2. PK specialist like Zannon

If we sign Grebs, it's even clearer that Franson should go.

In a perfect world, I'd sign Cube, Grebs (1 yr) and Hamhuis ($3.2M for 2 yrs).... trade Franson and Klien.... and bring up Sulzer (or trade Sulzer and bring up Blum). Blum and Josi along with a tolerable pylon for a 2 way contract as our depth call up.

I think that we can afford it if Hammer and Grebs play along.

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As some of you may have read, this morning I posted a rumor about Mark Eaton. It was simply that a rumor and a stupid one at that. I was called on it by another poster and it didn't take me more than a few seconds to realize a conversation I had years ago with another fan at training camp had morphed into the stupidity that I put out there this morning in the form of a rumor and that's not something I ever want to do without having a more legitimate source.

No excuses. I'm owning up and apologizing. I should have caught it when I re-read my post this morning, but didn't and feel like an idiot because of that. I hope anyone reading my post this morning either figured out I was being an idiot at the time or will now know that I completely debunk my earlier statement.

If Hamhuis were to leave, Eaton would be a decent candidate to look for as a replacement, but I question then who would step into our No. 3 role or would people just be satisfied to do it by committee?

Re-signing Hamhuis to keep our depth on defense is a luxury at this point. I would love to do it, but you've gotta wonder if we splurge there, where are we giving up in return?

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