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Swedes in THN Future Watch

thought you guys across the pond who don't get The Hockey News might like to know how the Swedes were ranked in this year's THN Future Watch. They did a top 75 overall ranking and a top 10 for each team. The top 5 for each team got big write-ups, while the 6-10 players got little blurbs.

Overall:
14. Niklas Kronwall
42. Alexander Steen
43. Loui Eriksson (although they spelled it 'Erickson' )
67. Henrik Lundqvist
69. Robert Nilsson

Teams:
Anaheim
5. Michael Holmqvist - 'In his second year in North America and a veteran of 21 Anaheim games last season, he is ready for NHL duty as a third-line, energy-type winger. With good size, speed and skating ability, as well as some offensive talent, Holmqvist has been a very strong forechecker and penalty-killer for Cincinnati. His ability to play a high-tempo, puck pursuit style have the Ducks optimistic about Holmqvist's role in the NHL.'

Atlanta
none

Boston
6. Martin Samuelsson - 'NHL-calibre skater needs to use his best asset more consistently to be effective.'
8. Lars Jonsson - 'Logging loads of ice time; Bruins would love to see him make jump to North America.'

Buffalo
none

Calgary
none

Carolina
8. Niklas Nordgren - 'It's up to all-around forward to make jump across Atlantic; Canes believe he is ready.'

Chicago
none

Colorado
9. Linus Videll - 'Still needs to improve skating, but showed well for Sweden at world juniors.'

Columbus
6. Joakim Lindström - 'Getting lots of ice time with MODO, but there are concerns he won't be a big time scorer.'

Dallas
1. Loui Eriksson - 'The Stars love this scoring winger, even though his performance this season in the SEL appears more uneven than in 2003-04, when he won rookie of the year. He was dropped to the Frölunda junior team for two games and to Bofors in Tier-2 for two games. He had two goals and 3 assists in six games at the WJC, tops among Stars prospects.'
3. Niklas Grossman - 'He's another in a long list of defensemen that the Stars hope will help form the base of their future team. A second-rounder in last year's draft, this lanky stay-at-home blueliner has bounced between the Södertälje junior team and its parent squad. He was a plus player on both.'
7. Johan Fransson - 'Making steady progress throughout second season in Swedish Elite League'
8. Yared Hagos - 'Offensive ability increasing and excelling in defensive zone coverage'

Detroit
1. Niklas Kronwall - 'After missing a chunk of last season because of a broken leg - suffered during warmup before what would have been his 21st NHL game - Kronwall has bounced back strong. He has been the Griffins' version of Nicklas Lidström, leading the league's defensemen in scoring without sacrificing defense. Thanks to a good sense of timing, he has also shown an ability to hit not expected from a 174-pounder.'
9. Stefan Liv - 'His team suffered from not adding locked out NHLers, but he has played well.'
10. Johan Franzén - 'Could start as 4th-line NHLer and work his way up the depth chart.'

Edmonton
10. Dragan Umicevic - 'Jaw-dropping skill, but Swedish Elite League isn't as physical as the NHL.'

Florida
none

Los Angeles
none

Minnesota
6. Rickard Wallin - 'Versatile, responsible player can play both center and wing positions.'

Montreal
none

Nashville
none

New Jersey
none

NY Islanders
2. Robert Nilsson - 'Few doubt that Kent Nilsson's son possesses the offensive skills to put up numbers in the NHL, but it might not be enough for him to make the jump unless he improves his defensive ability. Because of ice time issues, Nilsson has shuffled between Djurgården in the SEL and second-division [sic] Hammarby, and has shown an ability to score against players in his own age group. Milbury called him "easily one of the five most talented players" in the world juniors.'

NY Rangers
4. Henrik Lundqvist - 'The goaltender continues to hone his game while playing at an elite level in his native Sweden. Indeed, with a shot to be Sweden's No.1 in the World Championship, there's little left for Lundqvist to conquer before jumping to the NHL. He plays big while challenging shooters in a manner consistent with NHL netminders.'

Ottawa
none

Philadelphia
none

Phoenix
none

Pittsburgh
none

St. Louis
2. Carl Söderberg - 'The big-bodied, slick-touch center has spent most of the season with Malmö and is still seeking the scoring touch he showed at other levels. At the Wolrd Juniors, Söderberg flashed the shot he was recognized for, scoring four goals in six games. At 6-foot-3 and 203 pounds, Söderberg is a smooth skater and explosively intriguing talent - if he develops his physical presence.'

San Jose
7. Douglas Murray - 'Making a lot of little plays to get the puck out; physical play is a bonus.'

Tampa Bay
none

Toronto
2. Alexander Steen - 'There are observers inside and outside the organization who feel Steen in the Leafs' best prospect. The son of former NHLer Thomas Steen, the Winnipeg-born center plays a responsible two-way game and has a high level of grit. He was playing the third line behind Peter Forsberg and Mattias Weinhandl with MODO, but was moved to a line with Markus Näslund when Forsberg went down with an injury, and the two have been very good.'
3. Staffan Kronwall - 'The Leafs got solid NHL defensemen in Tomas Kaberle and Danny Markov with low picks and are hoping to continue with Kronwall. There's nothing flashy about Kronwall, but he has the size, toughness and mobility to make the NHL. He has developed into a reliable defenseman and s already in his third year playing in Sweden.'
4. Mikael Tellqvist - 'Tellqvist undoubtedly would have been the Leafs' backup this season, but has had to share the crease with NHL refugee Jean-Sebastian Aubin. Aubin has played so well that there is talk the Leafs could sign him to an NHL deal after the lockout, which woud once again cloud Tellqvist's future. He was overcoming his second concussion of the season in early February. He may be a regular NHLer one day, but few observers see him as a long-term No. 1 goalie.'
8. Pierre Hedin - 'Veteran went home to Sweden this season and has been disappointing.'

Vancouver
7. Alexander Edler - 'Lanky teen among the top-scoring defensemen in the Swedish junior league.'

Washington
none


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02-26-2005, 10:49 AM
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greatly appreciated GoGo! thank you.
Wow, Staffan Kronwall.. 3rd in the Maple Leaf organization...

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thought you guys across the pond who don't get The Hockey News might like to know how the Swedes were ranked in this year's THN Future Watch. They did a top 75 overall ranking and a top 10 for each team. The top 5 for each team got big write-ups, while the 6-10 players got little blurbs.

Overall:
14. Niklas Kronwall
42. Alexander Steen
43. Loui Eriksson (although they spelled it 'Erickson' )
67. Henrik Lundqvist
69. Robert Nilsson

Teams:
Anaheim
5. Michael Holmqvist - 'In his second year in North America and a veteran of 21 Anaheim games last season, he is ready for NHL duty as a third-line, energy-type winger. With good size, speed and skating ability, as well as some offensive talent, Holmqvist has been a very strong forechecker and penalty-killer for Cincinnati. His ability to play a high-tempo, puck pursuit style have the Ducks optimistic about Holmqvist's role in the NHL.'

Atlanta
none

Boston
6. Martin Samuelsson - 'NHL-calibre skater needs to use his best asset more consistently to be effective.'
8. Lars Jonsson - 'Logging loads of ice time; Bruins would love to see him make jump to North America.'

Buffalo
none

Calgary
none

Carolina
8. Niklas Nordgren - 'It's up to all-around forward to make jump across Atlantic; Canes believe he is ready.'

Chicago
none

Colorado
9. Linus Videll - 'Still needs to improve skating, but showed well for Sweden at world juniors.'

Columbus
6. Joakim Lindström - 'Getting lots of ice time with MODO, but there are concerns he won't be a big time scorer.'

Dallas
1. Loui Eriksson - 'The Stars love this scoring winger, even though his performance this season in the SEL appears more uneven than in 2003-04, when he won rookie of the year. He was dropped to the Frölunda junior team for two games and to Bofors in Tier-2 for two games. He had two goals and 3 assists in six games at the WJC, tops among Stars prospects.'
3. Niklas Grossman - 'He's another in a long list of defensemen that the Stars hope will help form the base of their future team. A second-rounder in last year's draft, this lanky stay-at-home blueliner has bounced between the Södertälje junior team and its parent squad. He was a plus player on both.'
7. Johan Fransson - 'Making steady progress throughout second season in Swedish Elite League'
8. Yared Hagos - 'Offensive ability increasing and excelling in defensive zone coverage'

Detroit
1. Niklas Kronwall - 'After missing a chunk of last season because of a broken leg - suffered during warmup before what would have been his 21st NHL game - Kronwall has bounced back strong. He has been the Griffins' version of Nicklas Lidström, leading the league's defensemen in scoring without sacrificing defense. Thanks to a good sense of timing, he has also shown an ability to hit not expected from a 174-pounder.'
9. Stefan Liv - 'His team suffered from not adding locked out NHLers, but he has played well.'
10. Johan Franzén - 'Could start as 4th-line NHLer and work his way up the depth chart.'

Edmonton
10. Dragan Umicevic - 'Jaw-dropping skill, but Swedish Elite League isn't as physical as the NHL.'

Florida
none

Los Angeles
none

Minnesota
6. Rickard Wallin - 'Versatile, responsible player can play both center and wing positions.'

Montreal
none

Nashville
none

New Jersey
none

NY Islanders
2. Robert Nilsson - 'Few doubt that Kent Nilsson's son possesses the offensive skills to put up numbers in the NHL, but it might not be enough for him to make the jump unless he improves his defensive ability. Because of ice time issues, Nilsson has shuffled between Djurgården in the SEL and second-division [sic] Hammarby, and has shown an ability to score against players in his own age group. Milbury called him "easily one of the five most talented players" in the world juniors.'

NY Rangers
4. Henrik Lundqvist - 'The goaltender continues to hone his game while playing at an elite level in his native Sweden. Indeed, with a shot to be Sweden's No.1 in the World Championship, there's little left for Lundqvist to conquer before jumping to the NHL. He plays big while challenging shooters in a manner consistent with NHL netminders.'

Ottawa
none

Philadelphia
none

Phoenix
none

Pittsburgh
none

St. Louis
2. Carl Söderberg - 'The big-bodied, slick-touch center has spent most of the season with Malmö and is still seeking the scoring touch he showed at other levels. At the Wolrd Juniors, Söderberg flashed the shot he was recognized for, scoring four goals in six games. At 6-foot-3 and 203 pounds, Söderberg is a smooth skater and explosively intriguing talent - if he develops his physical presence.'

San Jose
7. Douglas Murray - 'Making a lot of little plays to get the puck out; physical play is a bonus.'

Tampa Bay
none

Toronto
2. Alexander Steen - 'There are observers inside and outside the organization who feel Steen in the Leafs' best prospect. The son of former NHLer Thomas Steen, the Winnipeg-born center plays a responsible two-way game and has a high level of grit. He was playing the third line behind Peter Forsberg and Mattias Weinhandl with MODO, but was moved to a line with Markus Näslund when Forsberg went down with an injury, and the two have been very good.'
3. Staffan Kronwall - 'The Leafs got solid NHL defensemen in Tomas Kaberle and Danny Markov with low picks and are hoping to continue with Kronwall. There's nothing flashy about Kronwall, but he has the size, toughness and mobility to make the NHL. He has developed into a reliable defenseman and s already in his third year playing in Sweden.'
4. Mikael Tellqvist - 'Tellqvist undoubtedly would have been the Leafs' backup this season, but has had to share the crease with NHL refugee Jean-Sebastian Aubin. Aubin has played so well that there is talk the Leafs could sign him to an NHL deal after the lockout, which woud once again cloud Tellqvist's future. He was overcoming his second concussion of the season in early February. He may be a regular NHLer one day, but few observers see him as a long-term No. 1 goalie.'
8. Pierre Hedin - 'Veteran went home to Sweden this season and has been disappointing.'

Vancouver
7. Alexander Edler - 'Lanky teen among the top-scoring defensemen in the Swedish junior league.'

Washington
none

Stefan Liv has been paying well? Joakim Lindström is logging a lot of icetime? Do they know what they are talking about? Who are their sources...?

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Stefan Liv has been paying well? Joakim Lindström is logging a lot of icetime? Do they know what they are talking about? Who are their sources...?
no, generally they don't know what they are talking about . FYI, the people who do the write-ups are generally beat reporters from one of the papers in each team's cities. their knowledge of the foreign prospects probably isn't all that grand.

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Wow, Staffan Kronwall.. 3rd in the Maple Leaf organization...
Hehe. Yeah that's.. optimistic.

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Wow, Staffan Kronwall.. 3rd in the Maple Leaf organization...
My first notice as well. And no Magnus Kahnberg in Carolina?

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"He was playing the third line behind Peter Forsberg and Mattias Weinhandl with MODO, but was moved to a line with Markus Näslund when Forsberg went down with an injury, and the two have been very good."

Since when did Steen play with Näslund?

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NY Islanders
2. Robert Nilsson - 'Few doubt that Kent Nilsson's son possesses the offensive skills to put up numbers in the NHL, but it might not be enough for him to make the jump unless he improves his defensive ability. Because of ice time issues, Nilsson has shuffled between Djurgården in the SEL and second-division [sic] Hammarby, and has shown an ability to score against players in his own age group. Milbury called him "easily one of the five most talented players" in the world juniors.'


Predatore told us on the nyi board that Nilsson's giving a better defensive effort this yr.

We've been trying to figure out if the unsigned european prospects,can sign with an ahl team next season even if there's still no cba in place

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no, generally they don't know what they are talking about . FYI, the people who do the write-ups are generally beat reporters from one of the papers in each team's cities. their knowledge of the foreign prospects probably isn't all that grand.

I have to think these writers are picking the brains of the scouts/gms of the teams they cover.

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I have to think these writers are picking the brains of the scouts/gms of the teams they cover.
i'm sure they are... and i think the team top 10 lists even come from the teams themselves (not sure, though)... but it still seems like they're coming out of left field with some of what they write. either they are just winging it, or the GMs/scouts/whoever that they talk to are badly misinformed about their European prospects.

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i'm sure they are... and i think the team top 10 lists even come from the teams themselves (not sure, though)... but it still seems like they're coming out of left field with some of what they write. either they are just winging it, or the GMs/scouts/whoever that they talk to are badly misinformed about their European prospects.
Hagos has made great progress this season. This should be noticed and he shouldn't be ranked behind the other Swedes.

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The THN Future Watch is a great read and its interesting to hear what they have to say of many prospects. But seriously, Lundqvist at the 67th spot onlt two spots ahead of Robert Nilsson?

After seeing him this year gooing up against guys like Kipper, Turco, Theodore, Gerber and Salo in the SEL and how impressive he was at last years WC and in this years Euro Hockey Tour I can´t imagine that he won´t become at worst a decent starter in the NHL. And he have the potential to become extremly good.

I know the TSN gets its ranking by dooing a poll with 16 scouts and I am sure that a big majority of thoose 16 scouts haven't seen Lundqvist more then once or twice. But they should have been able to bump him up a few spots to make the ranking respectable....

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6. Joakim Lindström - 'Getting lots of ice time with MODO, but there are concerns he won't be a big time scorer.'
Is this a joke? :lol

Oh well, just another list.

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An absolutely pathetic list.



Kronwall at #3 is a joke.

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I agree with you guys, some of this just doesn't make sense.

Staffan Kronwall at 3rd, no Kahnberg, the comments about Lindström, Lundqvist at 67 and Grossman ahead of Fransson. Lets just say that they really haven't got a clue.

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i'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this issue is with Lundqvist. He didn't make the top 50 overall, and was not even the top goalie prospect on the Ranger's list (Montoya #2, Lundqvist #4). he was the 13th highest ranked goalie overall... behind Kari Lehtonen (3), Marc-Andre Fleury (6), Ryan Miller (15), Hannu Toivonen (19), Marek Schwarz (29), Al Montoya (31), Cam Ward (40), Ray Emery (50), Pascal Leclaire (62), Ilya Bryzgalov (64), Antero Niittymäki (65), Alex Auld (66). One could argue that i have both a biased (i really like Lundqvist), and ignorant (i have seen him play, other than highlights, only a few times) point of view... but i really think he is going to be better than all but maybe 2 or 3 listed ahead of him... and he has a chance to be the best NHLer of the group (as do many of them, of course... based on potential and such).

so... i'm going to re-order these 13 goalies by how i think they will end up:
1. Kari Lehtonen
2. Henrik Lundqvist
3. Marek Schwarz
4. Ryan Miller
5. Marc-Andre Fleury
6. Hannu Toivonen
7. Antero Niittymäki
8. Al Montoya
9. Cam Ward
10. Pascal Leclaire
11. Ilya Bryzgalov
12. Ray Emery
13. Alex Auld

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i'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this issue is with Lundqvist. He didn't make the top 50 overall, and was not even the top goalie prospect on the Ranger's list (Montoya #2, Lundqvist #4). he was the 13th highest ranked goalie overall... behind Kari Lehtonen (3), Marc-Andre Fleury (6), Ryan Miller (15), Hannu Toivonen (19), Marek Schwarz (29), Al Montoya (31), Cam Ward (40), Ray Emery (50), Pascal Leclaire (62), Ilya Bryzgalov (64), Antero Niittymäki (65), Alex Auld (66). One could argue that i have both a biased (i really like Lundqvist), and ignorant (i have seen him play, other than highlights, only a few times) point of view... but i really think he is going to be better than all but maybe 2 or 3 listed ahead of him... and he has a chance to be the best NHLer of the group (as do many of them, of course... based on potential and such).

so... i'm going to re-order these 13 goalies by how i think they will end up:
1. Kari Lehtonen
2. Henrik Lundqvist
3. Marek Schwarz
4. Ryan Miller
5. Marc-Andre Fleury
6. Hannu Toivonen
7. Antero Niittymäki
8. Al Montoya
9. Cam Ward
10. Pascal Leclaire
11. Ilya Bryzgalov
12. Ray Emery
13. Alex Auld
Who cares?

It's a joke... I think it's a bunch of 10 year olds pulling a prank.

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