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04-27-2010, 12:30 AM
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What if they did something bigger like souray and eberle for smyth and hickey, not really sure of value but doesn't eberle and schenn play on the same top line in juniors? We get a good d-man and a prospect they get a hero and a good prospect...

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I disagree.

I don't think either one has very much value. This is more a deal of two bad contracts.

The Kings might do it because they have a major hole on defense and they are looking at paying someone 4+ a year to be the #3 d-man anyways, so why not add Souray and unload Smyth's bad contract.

The Oilers might do it because Smyth is still very popular there, they need some good PR after this disaster of a season and he could be a good mentor to their young forwards.

I think the biggest stumbling block to this deal would be Smyth's NTC. I think Smyth knows he probably has 2 years left and would love to win a Cup. Don't see the Oil being contenders anytime soon.




Could care less about the other guys, but I think Parse is gone if this is true. To bad, I really think he could be a 15-20 goal guy who could fill in on a scoring line in a pinch.
First of all Ryan Smyth has a no trade clause. He is not waiving it to go back to an awful Oiler team. Ryan Smyth's value is very high, and very few people in the league have the hand eye coordination and positioning he does around the crease. Souray's best asset is a big shot, but it comes with a bunch of baggage right now (contract, injuries, +-..). You all have to be high in thinking DL is going to clean house to get a guy like Kovalchuk on this team.

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04-27-2010, 01:42 AM
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I see you guys signing Marleau before Kovy. He's a better fit.

-He would provide the Kings with a legitamate SH threat.
-He would add size and speed down the middle, giving you guys a legit second line center. (Stoll and Zeus are better for 3rd line duty)
-Solid two way D-man
-Will improve your FO%
-Can play Wing or Center


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04-27-2010, 02:12 AM
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I see you guys signing Marleau before Kovy. He's a better fit.

-He would provide the Kings with a legitamate SH threat.
-He would add size and speed down the middle, giving you guys a legit second line center. (Stoll and Zeus are better for 3rd line duty)
-Solid two way D-man
-Will improve your FO%
-Can play Wing or Center
I like Marleau and wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up with him, but I don't like that we would be getting him via free agency right after a career year. I just don't think he comes with the guarantee a Kovalchuk does.

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04-27-2010, 02:57 AM
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I like Marleau and wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up with him, but I don't like that we would be getting him via free agency right after a career year. I just don't think he comes with the guarantee a Kovalchuk does.
Kovalchuk can't play in a structured system, I honestly don't think he'd succeed in TM's system.

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04-27-2010, 03:06 AM
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Colby Armstrong
Dan Hamhuis or Anton Volchenkov
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04-27-2010, 09:33 AM
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And upgrade at center would be nice. Both Stoll and Handzus have their pros and cons as 3rd line guys. Keep Stoll, and you get an extra year of development time for a guy like Schenn. Plus Stoll is younger and cheaper than Handzus, but that might make Stoll more valuable in a trade.

The situation at LW will have to be figured out, again. The Kings have 3 UFA's on that side, and they could really use some more speed. Obviously if Frolov leaves, you have to find somebody that can score.

RW is probably set. Brown, Simmonds, Williams. While he's here, you just have to hope you can get enough(especially games) out of Williams.

On defense, the Kings need a 3/4(or better) type of guy. Doughty/Johnson, no problem. Scuderi/Greene, solid. They're missing the guy in between. If they get good enough there, they can let the 6/7 spots play out in training camp, and then see what they need.

Goaltending. It seems fairly obvious it'll be Quick and Bernier.

They have to get faster though. They have to get guys that will win a race for the puck along the boards. They have to get guys that will win a 50/50 battle for the puck along the boards once they get there. Even when the Kings were up by a goal or two in the games against Vancouver, they were losing those boards battles. The Kings were checking(after the puck was moved), but it was the puck battles that they consistently lost. A lot of that improvement will have to come from the guys that are already here though, since there are only so many moves that are going to be made over the summer.

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04-27-2010, 10:16 AM
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I want us to sign Plekanec if he don't re-sign with Habs.

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I disagree.

I don't think either one has very much value. This is more a deal of two bad contracts.

The Kings might do it because they have a major hole on defense and they are looking at paying someone 4+ a year to be the #3 d-man anyways, so why not add Souray and unload Smyth's bad contract.

The Oilers might do it because Smyth is still very popular there, they need some good PR after this disaster of a season and he could be a good mentor to their young forwards.

I think the biggest stumbling block to this deal would be Smyth's NTC. I think Smyth knows he probably has 2 years left and would love to win a Cup. Don't see the Oil being contenders anytime soon.
Pretty much agree. I however think that Smyth MAY be open to the idea of a trade if the oilers offered him an extension, so that he can retire an oiler.

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According to Hammond, Doughty has expressed interest in signing a single long-term contract.

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04-27-2010, 05:32 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of bringing in Souray(for Smyth and a pick). IF and only DL Brings in Kovalchuk. Think about it.....

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Richardson-Stoll-Brown
Simmonds-Handzus-Moller
Clune-Lewis/Cliche-Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
JJ-Greene
Souray-Drewiske
Harrold


Btw Telos, what is meant by "single" long-term deal? A Duncan Keith type deal?

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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of bringing in Souray(for Smyth and a pick). IF and only DL Brings in Kovalchuk. Think about it.....

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Richardson-Stoll-Brown
Simmonds-Handzus-Moller
Clune-Lewis/Cliche-Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
JJ-Greene
Souray-Drewiske
Harrold


Btw Telos, what is meant by "single" long-term deal? A Duncan Keith type deal?
Perhaps, I could have sworn it said single on Rich's blog, now I double check and it doesn't. Maybe he edited it or I am going crazy Either way, yes, that is how I interpret a "single" long-term deal as. An extensively long-term deal that wraps up most of a player's career. I.e. a 15 year contract etc... I think Doughty signs around a 7 year deal personally, similar to Kopitar's.

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Perhaps, I could have sworn it said single on Rich's blog, now I double check and it doesn't. Maybe he edited it or I am going crazy Either way, yes, that is how I interpret a "single" long-term deal as. An extensively long-term deal that wraps up most of a player's career. I.e. a 15 year contract etc... I think Doughty signs around a 7 year deal personally, similar to Kopitar's.
I'm thinking the samething. But when you've got a perennial Norris candidate, the longer the better.(that's what she said. i know, i know)

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04-29-2010, 11:47 AM
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I know it is already part of the cap hit for Doughty, but does anyone know what kind of bonus he would get for winning the Norris?

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I'd take any of those players and add Raffi Torres. There are some good players to be had this summer just not a lot of the flashy names.

I'm going against the grain with most posters but I feel an upgrade a defense is needed. Hamhuis would be killer because he does it all. I just don't know how realistic that is long term.

You add Hamhuis and Raffi Torres and you get some goal scoring and grit up front on the bottom 6 and a puck mover and good defender on the back end. I don't know if Chicago plans to re-sign Adam Burish but I wouldn't mind him on the bottom 6 either.

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I know it is already part of the cap hit for Doughty, but does anyone know what kind of bonus he would get for winning the Norris?
Yeah I'd also be curious to know how all the bonuses stack up and which ones he earned.

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I hope he signs a 10 yr extension with nashville just to shut you up.
I hope you realize sooner rather than later that you're not funny.

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I hope you realize sooner rather than later that you're not funny.
Well, I wasn't trying to be funny. I just think you and some others on this board are not understanding the business side of hockey.

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I'd take any of those players and add Raffi Torres. There are some good players to be had this summer just not a lot of the flashy names.

I'm going against the grain with most posters but I feel an upgrade a defense is needed. Hamhuis would be killer because he does it all. I just don't know how realistic that is long term.

You add Hamhuis and Raffi Torres and you get some goal scoring and grit up front on the bottom 6 and a puck mover and good defender on the back end. I don't know if Chicago plans to re-sign Adam Burish but I wouldn't mind him on the bottom 6 either.



Yeah I'd also be curious to know how all the bonuses stack up and which ones he earned.
Doughty will earn the following bonuses payable by the league.

Norris: $250,000 for 1st, $200,000 for 2nd, or $150,000 for 3rd
1st or 2nd Team All-Star: $100,000 for 1st team, $50,000 for 2nd team
T-2nd goals among defensemen: $135,000
3rd in points among defensemen: $130,000
T-5th assists among defensemen: $105,000
6th in PPG among defensemen (42 GP minimum): $50,000
8th in TOI among defensemen: $30,000

So Doughty will get $600,000-$750,000 from the league in addition to the amount he gets from the Kings.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16855

The above article did a great job at detailing entry level contracts and gave an inside look at Malkin's entry level deal. Assuming Doughty's contract was similar to Malkin's deal (in that once Malkin achieved one of the category B bonuses, he got paid for the entire B bonus), Doughty would get the entire $3.475 million from the Kings (pre-tax and pre-escrow, of course).

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Well, I wasn't trying to be funny. I just think you and some others on this board are not understanding the business side of hockey.
What exactly am I missing? Hamhuis is a UFA on July 1st if he isn't re-signed. While I don't doubt that Nashville could retain him, the closer it gets to July 1st without that happening, the less likely it will (see Frolov, Alexander).

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What exactly am I missing? Hamhuis is a UFA on July 1st if he isn't re-signed. While I don't doubt that Nashville could retain him, the closer it gets to July 1st without that happening, the less likely it will (see Frolov, Alexander).
That we can't afford to spend majority of our available cap on defense as we have a greater need on offense. Besides, we already have a very expensive d-core as is, especially with DD expected to sign an extension this summer and JJ either this summer or next. So, it isn't that we don't want Hamhuis but that we really can't afford him.

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That we can't afford to spend majority of our available cap on defense as we have a greater need on offense. Besides, we already have a very expensive d-core as is, especially with DD expected to sign an extension this summer and JJ either this summer or next. So, it isn't that we don't want Hamhuis but that we really can't afford him.
I disagree completely. It all depends on cost and one of those players could easily be moved if needed. We don't have an expensive blueline.. yet. Maybe after next summer but as it stands now, that isn't the case. If there is a chance to upgrade a D, they should do it. They can worry about what to do next summer. As we've seen, teams don't have trouble getting rid of players EVEN with bad contracts. Plus you factor in Williams will be a FA next summer and there is a possibility his spot on the roster could be taken by somebody on an ELC. It can be done especially if DL does not plan on signing an expensive forward this summer.

I don't see why you think you know more than the rest of us about "the business side of hockey". I get how the salary CAP works.

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I disagree completely. It all depends on cost and one of those players could easily be moved if needed. We don't have an expensive blueline.. yet. Maybe after next summer but as it stands now, that isn't the case. If there is a chance to upgrade a D, they should do it. They can worry about what to do next summer. As we've seen, teams don't have trouble getting rid of players EVEN with bad contracts. Plus you factor in Williams will be a FA next summer and there is a possibility his spot on the roster could be taken by somebody on an ELC. It can be done especially if DL does not plan on signing an expensive forward this summer.

I don't see why you think you know more than the rest of us about "the business side of hockey". I get how the salary CAP works.
You're right, I should have word it differently. However, I still very much doubt we sign a Hamhuis over a FA forward.

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This is our 2010-11 salary for our 4 dmen listed below. The total comes up to $11,250,000. That may not sound like a lot but with DD expected to sign an extension somewhere between 5.5 mil to 7.5 mil and JJ somewhere between 4 to 6 mil (really depends on how he does next year), how can we add another dman like Hamhuis for 5-6 mil a season? Our 2011-12 projected salary for 5 dmen (including Hamhuis) could be high as $25,850,000. That's JUST for 5 players!

Yeah, we all like Hamhuis, but can we afford him?

DD $3,475,000
Rob Scuderi $3,400,000
Matt Greene $2,950,000
Jack Johnson $1,425,000

Total $11,250,000
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I transferred my original post to this thread, as it seemed more appropriate.
You really think JJ's gonna get 4-6 mil? If he demands that, Lombardi might let him walk.

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You really think JJ's gonna get 4-6 mil? If he demands that, Lombardi might let him walk.
It's possible, especially if he plays the way he did in the playoffs. He had a bigger role in running the pp and he just seemed more confident. I just think he's finally figured it out and he'll be given more responsibilities and will have a very good year in 2010.

Why, what do you think will be a fair compensation for him if he continues to prosper next year?

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