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ATD 2010 Rene Lecavalier Final: Minnesota F. Saints (1) vs. New Jersey S. Devils (2)

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05-03-2010, 11:15 PM
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I estimate Brind'Amour as 3rd since 1968 among forwards in the sheer amount of penalty killing he did, behind Messier and Carbonneau. The method is basically player PPGA adjusted for team PPGA. (or the numerator of the SH% I posted over on the history section.)

Top 10: Messier, Carbonneau, Brind'Amour, Ramsay, Westfall, Luce, Yzerman, Jarvis, Gainey, Goring.

But unlike all of the other forwards in the top 10, Brind'Amour's teams were basically average at killing penalties over his career. The others' teams were all 10-25% better than league average. So you could question whether he was as effective as the other top volume PKers, or if it's less impressive to kill a lot of penalties on weaker teams.

No, the Toronto Star hasn't done coaches polls since 1994. I searched the Star's archives and all the ones that exist have been posted, as far as I can tell.
Messier huh? It doesn't surprise me that he's high, but it does surprise me that he's first.

A lot of people really underestimate how complete a player he was.

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05-03-2010, 11:21 PM
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Messier huh? It doesn't surprise me that he's high, but it does surprise me that he's first.

A lot of people really underestimate how complete a player he was.
He played forever, and he always killed penalties, right from the first season to the last. While as a star player he didn't spend 60-70% of the time out there like Ed Westfall or Don Luce, being a regular PKer for 25 years adds up. I don't think any other post-expansion forward had even 20 years as a PK regular.

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He played forever, and he always killed penalties, right from the first season to the last. While as a star player he didn't spend 60-70% of the time out there like Ed Westfall or Don Luce, being a regular PKer for 25 years adds up.
Ohh, I didn't realize it was cumulative. That makes a lot more sense. Also explains Yzerman's high standing.

Still though, Messier should be a really viable option for a 2nd unit PK in the ATD, but nobody ever seems to use him there.

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05-03-2010, 11:49 PM
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Brind'amour from his Flyers days was one of the best PP guys at burying rebounds, screening and especially deflecting shots, in fact the only two guys in his league at deflections the last quarter century were Ciccarelli and Holmstrom.

Brindy really ought to be on a PP unit, though he ain't at the moment put there in this match-up.

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New Jersey Swamp Devils defeat the Minnesota Fighting Saints in game 7 OT, the only divisional final to be be close in this anticlimactic round. 1st star Gordie Howe and 2nd star Joe Sakic played dueling dangles all series with big goals and assists. No one stood out as the series' 3rd star, but the performances of Gardiner, Abel and Salming were just enough to outweigh those of Hull, Brimsek, and MacInnis. All the best players were at their best in this epic clash of the titans. A good time was had by all.

Dave Andreychuk had negative four points and was -56 in 7 games.

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Uggh. I just cant win the division title...

Great series, TDMM, you made a great team.

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Good series, Nalyd. Not surprised that this one was close.

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Dave Andreychuk had negative four points and was -56 in 7 games.
How does a 4th line PP specialist get that kind of ice time?

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How does a 4th line PP specialist get that kind of ice time?
Don't ask me - you're the coach!

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What's a negative point anyway?

Sounds like something Bryan McCabe would specialize in.

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How does a 4th line PP specialist get that kind of ice time?
He managed to do that in very limited ice time

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