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05-04-2010, 05:55 PM
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I'm this close to nuking the entire thread. Last chance to stick to the topic and take the personal crap to PM. OT posts have been removed.

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Alright, I'm gonna post a basic roster (not actual line predictions) so that everyone can get a feel for how many roster spots are open and how much salary is needed.

Roster without additions:

Smyth-Kopi-Williams
Richardson-Stoll-Brown
X-Handzus-Simmonds
Clune-X-Westgarth

Extra attacker: X

Scuderi-Doughty
Johnson-X
Drewiske-Greene

Extra defender: Harrold

Quick
Bernier
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I added Westgarth since we know Murray is gonna want a heavy weight. I estimated Richardson at $1.3M and Clune at $0.7M.

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 18;
PAYROLL: $46.432m;
CAP ROOM: $13.208m
BONUSES: $2.840m

Using this as a base you can rather easily get a feel for how many X:es we need to fill and how much money we have to do so. Remember Doughty is probably gonna earn most of his bonuses (he's a freaking Norris nominee) so you might have to remove ~$2M from the actual salary cap room.

This is a perfect example for why DL is in a position to try to hit a homerun, that much cap space and so few spots to fill.

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I can't wait to see what Kovy signs for and who with.

I can't see him getting less than an average of more than $8ml per. I expect that he will pull a contract comparable to what Hossa got with a little more green.

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Do those 4 or 5 faces have names? We, on earth would like to know.
Well I didn't make the thread for a reason. I don't do these sorts of things. It is much easier to predict what won't happen than it is to predict what will happen. Prediction: Kovalchuk will not be a King.

But I went on Capgeek and true to my own life, I went over budget but I'm not good with salaries which is why I don't do these things nor start threads. I did give some fairly liberal numbers with some of the guys (O'Donnell and Torres) and I put 44DD's salary where Harrold/Drewiske are listed and Harrold makes less if he makes the team.

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FORWARDS

Anze Kopitar $6,800,000
Ryan Smyth $6,250,000
Michal Handzus $4,000,000
Jarret Stoll $3,600,000
Justin Williams $3,500,000
Dustin Brown $3,175,000
* Raffi torres $3,000,000
* Fredrik Modin $2,250,000
* Brad Richardson $1,500,000
* Adam burrish $1,000,000
Kyle Clifford $900,000
* Trevor Lewis $855,000
Wayne Simmonds $821,666
Kevin Westgarth $525,000

DEFENSEMEN

Drew Doughty $3,475,000
Rob Scuderi $3,400,000
Matt Greene $2,950,000
* Dennis Seidenberg/Derek Morris/Adrian Aucion/Andy Sutton $2,500,000
Jack Johnson $1,425,000
Davis Drewiske/Peter Harrold $616,666
* Sean O'Donnell $1,250,000

GOALTENDERS

Jonathan Quick $1,800,000
Jonathan Bernier $843,333

BUYOUTS

Alyn McCauley $666,667

$57,103,332
I could see Stoll being moved and replaced by Brad Richardson or even Matthew Lombardi assuming they feel Schenn will make the team. Or they could go out and get another veteran center to play on the 4th line. See even though I feel there will probably be 5 new faces at most, there are still a lot of variables. I personally think it is silly to be making a hypothetical roster in May but you asked.

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05-04-2010, 06:20 PM
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Why would we sign ufa Modin for anything more than say a bonus laden contract with a base of more than $900k? If he walks there are other options in that price range that would be as good or better. I can't see us giving him a $2ml per deal at this stage in his career. I liked his game with us but not at such a high price.

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Why would we sign ufa Modin for anything more than say a bonus laden contract with a base of more than $900k? If he walks there are other options in that price range that would be as good or better. I can't see us giving him a $2ml per deal at this stage in his career. I liked his game with us but not at such a high price.
If you are talking to me then my answer is because I was being liberal with the salary to make sure I wasn't undercutting anyone to be more realistic. But I agree, that is what should happen given his injury history and what might happen. I don't think it matters either way. A person with more knowledge of the CAP can confirm this but I'm pretty sure bonuses count towards the CAP until they can't be earned.

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Come on guys!

I've heard nothing but criticism towards me all day and yet, only one of you had enough balls to post an actual roster with salary.

Come on, let me dish some back at ya!

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This is a perfect example for why DL is in a position to try to hit a homerun, that much cap space and so few spots to fill.
Yes, but that cap space can disappear very fast if you aren't mindful. Let's say we've got $11M available (mainly after Doughty earns his bonuses). Let's also say we want to keep $1M cap room for call up flexibility and possible trade deadline acquisitions. We're down to $10M. If we sign Kovalchuk at a reasonable discount, $7.5M, we're down to $2.5M and still with some important roster spots to fill. Add another million for the extra attacker and 4th line center.

Now there's $1.5M left to grab a #4 d-man. Not a lot of money unless you want to squeeze another year out of Sean O'Donnell, which wouldn't be very wise since we already have an unknown factor in Drewiske in the lineup. A single injury to a d-man and we would have Harrold, Drewiske and O'Donnell out there, none of whom I'm very comfortable with right now.

Next season we'd lose Williams and Handzus. Most, if not all of that money would go to giving raises to Doughty, Johnson, Simmonds and Bernier. We would probably barely even have enough cap room to fill those spots with guys like Lewis and Moller. Some tough choices would have to be made.

You might say it's worth the consequences to get a game breaker like Kovalchuk on board but I'm not convinced myself. $7.5M is a very optimistic salary as well when he easily could get another million or two. Hell, Atlanta offered him ten!

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Looks like I forgot Parse. I'd like to see him retained so you'd have to scratch somebody else off the list but he makes peanuts (by NHL standards) so I don't think that changes much.

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Thanks BtheE.

Even with bonuses I wouldn't give Modin more than $1.2 at this stage of his career but other than that I think you have done an admirable job of setting a workable budget.

Capgeek is an interesting sight. I see it as hypnotizing and dangerous. I mean, you look at the names and the numbers and you think "I can make it work". Of course its harder than it looks, isn't it?

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Kovalchuk Kopitar Williams 8.5 - 6.8 - 3.5
Smyth Schenn Simmonds 6.25 3.14 - .821,667
Richardson Handzus Brown 1.5 - 4.0 3.175
Clune Lewis - Westgarth .750 .855 - .525
Harrold - Holloway + .666777 .583,333 - .650 = 41.716667

Doughty Scuderi 3.475 3.4
Johnson Voynov 1.425 .848,833
Greene Hickey 2.95 1.345, 833
Drewiski .616,666 = 14.061332

Quick 1.8
Bernier .843,333
= 2.643333


= 58.421332


Re-sign - Richardson and Clune
Trade - Stoll and Ersberg for Picks.
Let everybody else walk.
Sign Kovalchuk

Over 1.62M (Using last seasons CAP Number - Training Camp Battles/Bonus cushion should take care of that. I'll let DL figure that part out. Hopefully Kovalchuk and Richardson will cost less than 10M I put down.

Don't worry folks, if we trade Stoll now, McCauley's contract will expire and we will let Zeus and Williams walk at the end of next season (or re-sign for less) we will be able to re-sign Doughty, Johnson, and Simmonds.
Not crazy about Harrold and Holloway as reserves. And we need some toughness on defense as well. Other than that, it looks good.

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FORWARDS

Anze Kopitar $6,800,000
Ryan Smyth $6,250,000
Michal Handzus $4,000,000
Jarret Stoll $3,600,000
Justin Williams $3,500,000
Dustin Brown $3,175,000
* Raffi torres $3,000,000
* Fredrik Modin $2,250,000
* Brad Richardson $1,500,000
* Adam burrish $1,000,000
Kyle Clifford $900,000
* Trevor Lewis $855,000
Wayne Simmonds $821,666
Kevin Westgarth $525,000

DEFENSEMEN

Drew Doughty $3,475,000
Rob Scuderi $3,400,000
Matt Greene $2,950,000
* Dennis Seidenberg/Derek Morris/Adrian Aucion/Andy Sutton $2,500,000
Jack Johnson $1,425,000
Davis Drewiske/Peter Harrold $616,666
* Sean O'Donnell $1,250,000

GOALTENDERS

Jonathan Quick $1,800,000
Jonathan Bernier $843,333

BUYOUTS

Alyn McCauley $666,667

$57,103,332
I like the addition of Torres and Burrish to make our team tougher but we're still lacking that top line sniper. But a definite improvement over our team from this year imo.

A lot easier to create a roster without Kovy eh?

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Not crazy about Harrold and Holloway as reserves. And we need some toughness on defense as well. Other than that, it looks good.
At the end of the day I want the reserves to have a low CAP hit and understand they will not get to play in a sigificant amount of games (Harrold). Also the organization doesn't want to keep a reserve that has a lot potential because he can't develop on the bench. I included Holloway only because I doubt his ceiling is high and he can fill in for Westgarth or another injured player to the 4th line. I would have liked Cliche but his CAP number will be higher.

If, a key player goes down then we will have a call-up.

I think Drewiski can make the top 6 and be the physical presence. I don't see DL adding a D-Man from outside the organization. But that can easily change if we don't get Kovalchuk.

I penciled in Purcell into the line-up last year because I said it was potentially his last shot and I was right. It may be the same for Lewis but they are different players so its less likely.

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I like the addition of Torres and Burrish to make our team tougher but we're still lacking that top line sniper. But a definite improvement over our team from this year imo.

A lot easier to create a roster without Kovy eh?
Absolutely...definitely more wiggle room.

Just a couple of asides:

If I'm Parse, I'm hoping someone throws a reasonable offer sheet my way, because I'm not going to get a fair shake here, for better or for worse.

Re: Kovy--I can't find where I posted it now, but I said something to the effect of I doubt Kovy gets anything with a cap hit over 7, maybe 7.2 million from a playoff team. I could see a squad like EDM or even maybe NYI (I can't speak for their budgetary constraints, so totally spitballing ideas) throwing the big money at him to advance in the standings and get some star power, but I'm sure Kovy understands what Hossa has done--sacrifice a little money for the big picture--and may be going for the same.

If he signs here or any other playoff team for anything over 7 million, well, I'll eat my shoe.

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I like the addition of Torres and Burrish to make our team tougher but we're still lacking that top line sniper. But a definite improvement over our team from this year imo.

A lot easier to create a roster without Kovy eh?
A lot easier and realistic. I don't see DL ponying up the money that it will probably take to sign him. Not sure that would be a prudent move if he did. I certainly wouldn't complain but I'll let the guys who get paid to make these decisions make them. I do think we have a better team next year with just a few moves. The 4th line could use an upgrade and Burish is coming off an injury so he fits the bill. I think if there is an impact player added, it will be via trade.

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Absolutely...definitely more wiggle room.

Just a couple of asides:

If I'm Parse, I'm hoping someone throws a reasonable offer sheet my way, because I'm not going to get a fair shake here, for better or for worse.

Re: Kovy--I can't find where I posted it now, but I said something to the effect of I doubt Kovy gets anything with a cap hit over 7, maybe 7.2 million from a playoff team. I could see a squad like EDM or even maybe NYI (I can't speak for their budgetary constraints, so totally spitballing ideas) throwing the big money at him to advance in the standings and get some star power, but I'm sure Kovy understands what Hossa has done--sacrifice a little money for the big picture--and may be going for the same.

If he signs here or any other playoff team for anything over 7 million, well, I'll eat my shoe.
You sure Parse is a RFA right? I thought so too but capgeek has him listed as an UFA.

Yeah, if I'm Parse, no way do I want to play for TM.

The toughest part about acquiring Kovy is the 2011-12 season. DD will be a RFA as well as JJ AND we'll still have another year of Smyth at 6.2 mil. This is why I say we need to shed some salary now (Stoll & JW) instead of waiting for the last moment and getting shortended on a transaction.

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You sure Parse is a RFA right? I thought so too but capgeek has him listed as an UFA.

Yeah, if I'm Parse, no way do I want to play for TM.

The toughest part about acquiring Kovy is the 2011-12 season. DD will be a RFA as well as JJ AND we'll still have another year of Smyth at 6.2 mil. This is why I say we need to shed some salary now (Stoll & JW) instead of waiting for the last moment and getting shortended on a transaction.
Drew is gonna sign an extension in July, so forget that.

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Drew is gonna sign an extension in July, so forget that.
My point is in 2011-2012 our salary is going to be much higher. Therefore, we should start shedding some salary now.

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Drew is gonna sign an extension in July, so forget that.
Hell, it's already signed and in a shiny envelope with a red bow, just waiting amongst a vase of flowers to be faxed to the NHL offices on 7/1......

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Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Cooke/Moller-Handzus-Simmonds
Richardson-Schenn-Lewis
Clune, Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-Seidenberg
Voynov-Greene
Drewiske

Bernier
Quick

Edit: I really, really like Matt Cooke, I'd love to get him, probably put him where Moller is and have Moller spend another year in Manch

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Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Cooke/Moller-Handzus-Simmonds
Richardson-Schenn-Lewis
Clune, Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-Seidenberg
Voynov-Greene
Drewiske

Bernier
Quick

Edit: I really, really like Matt Cooke, I'd love to get him, probably put him where Moller is and have Moller spend another year in Manch
You're over the cap-way over.

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Marleau(6.0m)-Kopi-Simmonds
Smyth-Stoll-Williams
Richardson-Handzus-Brown
Parse(1mil)-X-Westgarth

Extra attacker: Harrold

Scuderi-Doughty
Johnson-Greene
Eaton(2m-1year)-Voynov(800k)

Extra defender: Drewiske

Quick
Bernier

ROSTER: 21;
PAYROLL: around 56mil
CAP ROOM: about 3mil
BONUSES: $2.840m
I must say of all the rosters out there, I dig this one the most. However, the numbers I don't see unfolding that way. Marleau will probably fetch at least half a million more and if Eaton's signing for 2 mil it would have to be a multi-year contract. And that's being conservative. I would also like Modin re-signed for around 1.5 or under and put in instead of Parse. All that puts us in a pretty tight cap squeeze.

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You're over the cap.
lol Seidenberg will only be commanding like 1.5-2.. Take out Cooke actually.. Let's say you let 2 rookies battle it out for the 2 open D spots, Hickey & Voynov, we should be under the cap then. Stoll will soon be dealt too, same with Williams

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Moller-Handzus-Simmonds
Richardson-Schenn-Lewis
Clune, Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-Hickey
Voynov-Greene
Drewiske

Bernier
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lol Seidenberg will only be commanding like 1.5-2.. Take out Cooke actually.. Let's say you let 2 rookies battle it out for the 2 open D spots, Hickey & Voynov, we should be under the cap then. Stoll will soon be dealt too, same with Williams

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Moller-Handzus-Simmonds
Richardson-Schenn-Lewis
Clune, Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-Hickey
Voynov-Greene
Drewiske

Bernier
Quick
Or you could take out Kovalchuk. I'm beginning to think no team will be able to afford the guy...

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lol Seidenberg will only be commanding like 1.5-2.. Take out Cooke actually.. Let's say you let 2 rookies battle it out for the 2 open D spots, Hickey & Voynov, we should be under the cap then. Stoll will soon be dealt too, same with Williams

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Moller-Handzus-Simmonds
Richardson-Schenn-Lewis
Clune, Westgarth

Doughty-Scuderi
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Bernier
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You're still over.

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