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05-03-2010, 11:07 PM
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... Well, as for your second point, I did post in the "rate Murray and Lombardi" thread like a lot of people, and specifically pointed out the areas where he did well and did poorly.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...6&postcount=19

And I'm pretty sure I complimented the Modin pickup. Here that is.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...7&postcount=89

As for your "player V management" point ... how many of those have really occured -- Cammalleri? Blake? So ... two, I guess? Whatever, guilty as charged; Dean's 0 for 2 in my view. Unless you count Johnson too? Should I bash Johnson because Lombardi talked **** on his college program? Probably not, huh?
You win. Enjoy the game.

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05-03-2010, 11:08 PM
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Man, you will give your tickets to anybody. First, to Canuck fans during the playoffs (yeah, bet you thought we wouldn't nice huh?) and now this...
If TicketMaster had a "no Canucks fans" option I would have selected it. Besides, the Kings were supposed to WIN that game. Stop bringing up bad memories. I was sick that night too.

JT's received tickets from me before... hard as it may be to believe.

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05-03-2010, 11:16 PM
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... Well, as for your second point, I did post in the "rate Murray and Lombardi" thread like a lot of people, and specifically pointed out the areas where he did well and did poorly.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...6&postcount=19
A C grade isn't exactly praise, but this one...

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And I'm pretty sure I complimented the Modin pickup. Here that is.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...7&postcount=89
That's some solid praise right there.

You missed an easy one:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...7&postcount=21

Close enough. 2 positive posts (and one "meh") out of ~65 where you specifically mention Lombardi by name isn't too bad.

See... I came up with a contest you could win... and it only took you 30 minutes. That's a pretty good time.

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As for your "player V management" point ... how many of those have really occured -- Cammalleri? Blake? So ... two, I guess? Whatever, guilty as charged
That quote alone was worth the tickets. Enjoy the game.

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05-03-2010, 11:30 PM
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...meh, if I don't get the tickets, why would I help? And the Hawks just made it interesting...
Sydor25 is a team player, just like Cammalleri.

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05-04-2010, 01:50 AM
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Sydor25 is a team player, just like Cammalleri.
So I can expect that in the 2012 playoffs Sydor25 will really help his team, eh?

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05-04-2010, 01:51 AM
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You know JT, if you sit in Tony's seats, you actually have to listen to me for three whole periods. Still want em?

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05-05-2010, 06:32 PM
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... LOL. Whatever man. I've pointed out Lombardi's good moves as well as his bad ones, whereas I've never heard you criticize the man at all. It's pretty sad that you and others have to resort to tired DeanSpin like "Cammalleri didn't want to play here, he wanted this amount, and that amount, and he's greedy, and he's selfish" when it was obvious to anyone watching objectively or anyone who wasn't a Kings fan that Lombardi simply didn't want Cammalleri here. And now, what you see is a player who's shoving Lombardi's assessment of him right back down his throat. Cover your eyes and your ears if it bothers you.

And your comment of how a team tied 1-1 and going home in the second round "isn't winning a cup this season or the near future" shows pretty clearly just how little you know about how the playoffs work. The Canadiens have a hot goalie and a hot goal scorer, and they just knocked off the top seed in their conference. Their chances are as strong as anyone's to win it all, and it's sad that despite your years of watching the game, you can't or won't believe that.

Question...how did Mr. October do for Calgary, in the playoffs, when he was most needed? I'll answer for you, he was a ghost.

He is having a great playoff year, indeed. Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

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05-05-2010, 06:34 PM
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So when does Luke step into the GM job...

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05-05-2010, 06:39 PM
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So when does Luke step into the GM job...
If we are lucky Luc will be the Kings' GM when hell freezes over.

And I love Luc.

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05-05-2010, 06:40 PM
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Question...how did Mr. October do for Calgary, in the playoffs, when he was most needed? I'll answer for you, he was a ghost.

He is having a great playoff year, indeed. Even a broken watch is right twice a day.
... It's pretty unfair and an over-simplification to judge a player on his first-ever experience in the playoffs. You could make an argument that Calgary wouldn't have made the playoffs that season if it weren't for Cammalleri's performance, so it's more fair to say they needed him all season.

To make an example, I'm not the biggest backer of Jonathan Quick's, but just because his first playoffs was a rough experience doesn't mean he won't be able to look toward better times. In fact, he will almost certainly improve, given his youth and given that his playing time is normally regulated.

The fact of the matter is that a few guys are clearly carrying Montreal in these playoffs, and after Halak, no one is doing more on that team than Cammalleri is. That's the sign of a gamer, whether you want to give him credit for that or not.

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05-05-2010, 06:48 PM
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That quote alone was worth the tickets. Enjoy the game.
... Thanks, Tony. Very generous of you to do.

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You know JT, if you sit in Tony's seats, you actually have to listen to me for three whole periods. Still want em?
... Actually, you'd be surprised at how I am at a game; I'm probably more laid back than most. It's difficult to convey tone on message boards and I'm not one to post "I agree" all the time, so I only post when I disagree or take issue with others. I'm sure if we watched a game, we would agree on a lot of things and see the game in the same way, and I'm always open to the opportunity of going to games with people who -- above all -- care passionately about the game and about the Kings.

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05-05-2010, 08:07 PM
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Sydor25 is a team player, just like Cammalleri.
I'm all about the money...

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05-07-2010, 03:03 PM
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... It's pretty unfair and an over-simplification to judge a player on his first-ever experience in the playoffs. You could make an argument that Calgary wouldn't have made the playoffs that season if it weren't for Cammalleri's performance, so it's more fair to say they needed him all season.

To make an example, I'm not the biggest backer of Jonathan Quick's, but just because his first playoffs was a rough experience doesn't mean he won't be able to look toward better times. In fact, he will almost certainly improve, given his youth and given that his playing time is normally regulated.

The fact of the matter is that a few guys are clearly carrying Montreal in these playoffs, and after Halak, no one is doing more on that team than Cammalleri is. That's the sign of a gamer, whether you want to give him credit for that or not.
Okay, so where was he when the Kings needed him, post Christmas? Where was he when the Flames needed him, post Christmas (look up the numbers).

I have no problem with the guy, but let's be honest, the man is a dime a dozen player in the NHL, who if your going to pay someone 6 million per year, that money can sure as hell be better spent on far better YEAR AROUND performers, not to mention players that teammates actually like and get along with.

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05-07-2010, 05:31 PM
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(look up the numbers).
Maybe you should have done this before making that post, guy.


08/09: 54 points in 48 games. 3 points +1 in the playoffs. Iginla 4 points -4.

07/08: 18 points in 27 games. He picked up his injury on 12/22. Out until 02/05. An injury suffered sticking up for a teammate by the way.

06/07: 51 points in 44 games.

72 points in 75 post Christmas games just counting the last 2 seasons. Even better than a PPG if you add in 06/07.


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05-07-2010, 05:33 PM
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Cammy is most certainly not a dime a dozen. His shot is of the rare variety.

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05-07-2010, 06:00 PM
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Kovalchuk is still better.

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Kovalchuk is still better.
Duh.

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Kovalchuk is still better.
And more expensive.

Who's the better value? Cammy @ 6 mil or Kovy @ 8 mil?

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And more expensive.

Who's the better value? Cammy @ 6 mil or Kovy @ 8 mil?
Kovalchuk

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I have no problem with the guy, but let's be honest, the man is a dime a dozen player in the NHL, who if your going to pay someone 6 million per year, that money can sure as hell be better spent on far better YEAR AROUND performers, not to mention players that teammates actually like and get along with.
like Blake?

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And more expensive.

Who's the better value? Cammy @ 6 mil or Kovy @ 8 mil?
But see, Kovy at 8 is speculation. Fair speculation, but speculation nonetheless.

I counter with this--who's the better value? Cammy at 6 million, or Kovy at 6.8 million?

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But see, Kovy at 8 is speculation. Fair speculation, but speculation nonetheless.

I counter with this--who's the better value? Cammy at 6 million, or Kovy at 6.8 million?
I just cant's why anyone who's watched Kovlachuk (other than highlights) would want him?

Those 40-50 goals have only come with the offense being directed to him, and directing an offense though Kovalchuk has apparent results with apparent benefits - to Kovalchuk. Isn't that right Ovy?

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We are built differently than most teams and we can't score 5 on 5 to save our lives. We need that superstar to guarantee pucks in the net. A 50 goal scorer can't hurt. In the end, I don't care who we get that much, as long as he puts pucks in the net, but Kovalchuk is without a doubt on the top of my list. His pedigree is unmistakable.

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We are built differently than most teams and we can't score 5 on 5 to save our lives. We need that superstar to guarantee pucks in the net. A 50 goal scorer can't hurt. In the end, I don't care who we get that much, as long as he puts pucks in the net, but Kovalchuk is without a doubt on the top of my list. His pedigree is unmistakable.

His pedigree sucks.

I want to win. **** stats. Stats are for people who aren't smart enough or can't figure out how to watch the game.

If you run ALL of the offense through one person, that's what you're going to see. So don't run it through Kovlachuk? Well, expect to be paying a 40 goal scorer (that's all he'll bring too, those 40 goals) 10 million a year: A one dimensional scorer. He's only got two tricks when he scores too! "But they're damn good". Okay. Let's cut his shot totals by about 100 and see what happens.

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His pedigree sucks.

I want to win. **** stats. Stats are for people who aren't smart enough or can't figure out how to watch the game.

If you run ALL of the offense through one person, that's what you're going to see. So don't run it through Kovlachuk? Well, expect to be paying a 40 goal scorer (that's all he'll bring too, those 40 goals) 10 million a year: A one dimensional scorer. He's only got two tricks when he scores too! "But they're damn good". Okay. Let's cut his shot totals by about 100 and see what happens.
Kovalchuk is a winner. He has swagger and cockiness and will do whatever it takes to win the game. This makes him out to be a less than stellar teammate, but it can also make him a very powerful leader by example and an emotional booster. Our locker room can handle it now and I think it is time we added that one dimensional player that devastates our opponent and strikes fear into the hearts of their goaltender and defenders.

We need a finisher. We need someone who can be counted on to score consistently. This team lacks one thing and one thing only. Consistency. Who better to teach them that than Kovalchuk? The guy went to the Devils and still put up PPG numbers, even in the playoffs.

Goal scorers make money. That is it. Everyone else be damned. If you put the puck in the net in today's NHL, you get the money. Doughty could be the next Bobby Orr and win 3 Norris trophies in a row and he will never earn as much as Crosby or Ovechkin. That is how the salary structure works. If you wanted to make money, you had to make sure you were a forward from youth on. Goals win games. The money isn't exactly wasted and can have a positive rippling effect amongst the entire team.

Kovalchuk is without a doubt one of the top 3 most talented goal scorers on the planet right now. Lombardi has had an eye on him for a couple of years now. There is promise there... It is far from likely, but it is certainly possible.

We need this again:


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