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05-07-2010, 01:45 PM
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If Zherdev comes back, the Kovalchuk debate is officially over. The cap space won't be there. Perhaps, the Rangers know they wouldn't be able to bring in Kovalchuk, and figure Zherdev could provide much needed secondary scoring. He fits the concept of the Rangers looking to bring in young players to add to the core they're building.

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Great point Zherdev could be part of the future core and youth movement

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Always loved zherdev, and his contributions of 60 pts would be more than welcome. Playing him with Dubinsky and potentially MZA could be one of the best bargain second lines in the league, if Z comes somewhat cheap (in the 2.5-3 million range).

We all know his short-comings in that he isn't overly physical and that he floats from time to time, but the goal scoring and playmaking ability will be more than welcome. Who knows, maybe he got a dose of reality when teams didn't contact to sign him a year ago after the rangers walked away from him.

If he is motivated to play, then he will provide the depth that we need behind gaborik.

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While i'd welcome any potential 30 goal scorer to this club for a 3 - 3.5 million hit, a large part of me feels like this is a shortsighted, lazy signing. This reeks of a Sather move. Its the easy way out IMO. Throw money at an enigma, a talent who's been here before and give him a second shot.

On the surface, it doesn't look like much of a big deal. Sure, nice scorer - Rangers need scoring - 1+1=2... right? wrong. The problem with this team is that it isn't built correctly, because of moves like this. Paper/stat moves. Besides the fact that Zherdev isn't a gamer (which he isnt, its plain and simple, so its another gamble for Sather there) is one thing, but this is a guy who doesnt fit in Torts system or idea of what a forward should bring to the table. Instead of getting his nose dirty he slides around the ice looking for perfect passes and perfect plays. He'll dazzle you every so often, but he'll leave you thirsty for more almost every game. And then he'll disappear for a stretch. The thing with Zherdev is, is that when hes not scoring, hes not doing what it takes to help a team win.

Enough is enough. (if true) This is one of the many reasons why Sather has to go. He makes these moves with no foresight and no depth in understanding what a roster needs to IMPROVE. Sure, hell add goals and hell be a nice secondary scoring threat with less pressure on him because Gabby is the #1 guy now. But once the big games roll around and the playoffs (if they are fortunate enough to build a team good enough to get there) thats when the roster is totally exposed. Its a different game, and one that Zherdev is not suited well enough to play. The real goal is to win a championship still isnt it? Not just make it to the dance?

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I wouldn't look too much into that teams always deny any first reports

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Too bad, would of added an interesting twist to all of the off-season predictions.

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I rather have Z 2.0 then Kovalchuk 7.5

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While i'd welcome any potential 30 goal scorer to this club for a 3 - 3.5 million hit, a large part of me feels like this is a shortsighted, lazy signing. This reeks of a Sather move. Its the easy way out IMO. Throw money at an enigma, a talent who's been here before and give him a second shot.

On the surface, it doesn't look like much of a big deal. Sure, nice scorer - Rangers need scoring - 1+1=2... right? wrong. The problem with this team is that it isn't built correctly, because of moves like this. Paper/stat moves. Besides the fact that Zherdev isn't a gamer (which he isnt, its plain and simple, so its another gamble for Sather there) is one thing, but this is a guy who doesnt fit in Torts system or idea of what a forward should bring to the table. Instead of getting his nose dirty he slides around the ice looking for perfect passes and perfect plays. He'll dazzle you every so often, but he'll leave you thirsty for more almost every game. And then he'll disappear for a stretch. The thing with Zherdev is, is that when hes not scoring, hes not doing what it takes to help a team win.

Enough is enough. (if true) This is one of the many reasons why Sather has to go. He makes these moves with no foresight and no depth in understanding what a roster needs to IMPROVE. Sure, hell add goals and hell be a nice secondary scoring threat with less pressure on him because Gabby is the #1 guy now. But once the big games roll around and the playoffs (if they are fortunate enough to build a team good enough to get there) thats when the roster is totally exposed. Its a different game, and one that Zherdev is not suited well enough to play. The real goal is to win a championship still isnt it? Not just make it to the dance?
Give the guy a chance he made it to the playoffs once and did ****. doesn't mean hes going to be a no show his whole career

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05-07-2010, 02:03 PM
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No Ranger showed up to play in last years playoffs. Lets stop blaming Zherdev... Kid is solid and can put up 50+ points which is always good for a team.

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**** Zherdev.

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No Ranger showed up to play in last years playoffs. Lets stop blaming Zherdev... Kid is solid and can put up 50+ points which is always good for a team.
Drury played with a broken wrist and managed to score a GW'er in game 4.

He showed up. Wasn't really helpful beyond that but he showed up.

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While i'd welcome any potential 30 goal scorer to this club for a 3 - 3.5 million hit, a large part of me feels like this is a shortsighted, lazy signing. This reeks of a Sather move. Its the easy way out IMO. Throw money at an enigma, a talent who's been here before and give him a second shot.

On the surface, it doesn't look like much of a big deal. Sure, nice scorer - Rangers need scoring - 1+1=2... right? wrong. The problem with this team is that it isn't built correctly, because of moves like this. Paper/stat moves. Besides the fact that Zherdev isn't a gamer (which he isnt, its plain and simple, so its another gamble for Sather there) is one thing, but this is a guy who doesnt fit in Torts system or idea of what a forward should bring to the table. Instead of getting his nose dirty he slides around the ice looking for perfect passes and perfect plays. He'll dazzle you every so often, but he'll leave you thirsty for more almost every game. And then he'll disappear for a stretch. The thing with Zherdev is, is that when hes not scoring, hes not doing what it takes to help a team win.

Enough is enough. (if true) This is one of the many reasons why Sather has to go. He makes these moves with no foresight and no depth in understanding what a roster needs to IMPROVE. Sure, hell add goals and hell be a nice secondary scoring threat with less pressure on him because Gabby is the #1 guy now. But once the big games roll around and the playoffs (if they are fortunate enough to build a team good enough to get there) thats when the roster is totally exposed. Its a different game, and one that Zherdev is not suited well enough to play. The real goal is to win a championship still isnt it? Not just make it to the dance?


I agree with you 100%, especially about Sather not building the team the right way. Looks good on paper, but in reality it isnt.

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05-07-2010, 02:17 PM
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If Zherdev comes back, the Kovalchuk debate is officially over. The cap space won't be there. Perhaps, the Rangers know they wouldn't be able to bring in Kovalchuk, and figure Zherdev could provide much needed secondary scoring. He fits the concept of the Rangers looking to bring in young players to add to the core they're building.
Not totally
  • Dumped in Hartford – Redden
  • Not resigned – Jokinen, Prospal, Lisin, PAP
  • Traded at draft for upgrades – Rozie, Gilroy, Sauer, rights to Lisin ?
  • Traded for AHL fodder – Brashear (or placed on LTIR for mushy brain), Voros (Hartford?)
  • Resigned – Christensson, Shelly, Prust, Girardi, Staal, Eriksson, Auld
  • New UFAs – Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, Seidenberg, Zherdev, MZA (rookie)
  • Rookies – Sangs, (MZA)

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) /* Erik Christensen ($0.750m) /Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) /* Nikolai Zherdev ($3.000m)
* MDZ ($0.900m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m)

Brian Boyle ($0.525m)

or

* MDZ ($0.900m)/ Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) /Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) /* Nikolai Zherdev ($3.000m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m)

* Erik Christensen ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / * Anton Volchenkov ($4.500m)
* Daniel Girardi ($2.250m) / * Marc Staal ($2.800m)
Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)/ * Dennis Seidenberg ($1.800m)

* Anders Eriksson ($0.600m) - or a brawler

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)

* Alex Auld ($0.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.852m; CAP ROOM: $0.061m BONUSES: $0.212m

A very tight fit that could work


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05-07-2010, 02:23 PM
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The only thing this proves is.....

1) If true, Sather still has no clue what kind of player, with the right mentality; it takes to be a Cup contender.

2) It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that many Rangers fans are clueless and continue to harbour the loser mentality.

How anyone could be stoked about, advocating for or pining for the return of this weak, obnoxious, selfish, soft-bellied loser; defies logic and intelect.

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I could see him being a lot better when we're not looking at him as our #1 scorer. In a 2nd line role with much less pressure he will do fine.
It adresses the scoring depth issue. Gaborik gets some help. The teams depth improves.

Up front so far we have Gaborik, Dubinsky, Aasen, maybe Prospal, and hopefully Zherdev.

The depth already looks better than last season, or the one before. You throw in a center(Plekanec) to compliment a Dubinsky or Prospal, and you're set.

A veteran d-men for would be good too.

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The only thing this proves is.....

1) If true, Sather still has no clue what kind of player, with the right mentality; it takes to be a Cup contender.

2) It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that many Rangers fans are clueless and continue to harbour the loser mentality.

How anyone could be stoked about, advocating for or pining for the return of this weak, obnoxious, selfish, soft-bellied loser; defies logic and intelect.
50+ points any given season. This team lacks scoring depth, and we can't afford going after expensive UFA's; thus we're targeting overseas players who are considerably cheaper than NHL UFA's.

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The only thing this proves is.....

1) If true, Sather still has no clue what kind of player, with the right mentality; it takes to be a Cup contender.

2) It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that many Rangers fans are clueless and continue to harbour the loser mentality.

How anyone could be stoked about, advocating for or pining for the return of this weak, obnoxious, selfish, soft-bellied loser; defies logic and intelect.
Well, if you don't believe that he's weak, obnoxious, selfish, soft-bellied or a loser, then I guess it's logical.

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Not totally
  • Dumped in Hartford – Redden
  • Not resigned – Jokinen, Prospal, Lisin, PAP
  • Traded at draft for upgrades – Rozie, Gilroy, Sauer, rights to Lisin ?
  • Traded for AHL fodder – Brashear (or placed on LTIR for mushy brain), Voros (Hartford?)
  • Resigned – Christensson, Shelly, Prust, Girardi, Staal, Eriksson, Auld
  • New UFAs – Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, Seidenberg, Zherdev, MZA (rookie)
  • Rookies – Sangs, (MZA)

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) /* Erik Christensen ($0.750m) /Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) /* Nikolai Zherdev ($3.000m)
* MDZ ($0.900m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m)

Brian Boyle ($0.525m)

or

* MDZ ($0.900m)/ Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) /Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) /* Nikolai Zherdev ($3.000m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m)

* Erik Christensen ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / * Anton Volchenkov ($4.500m)
* Daniel Girardi ($2.250m) / * Marc Staal ($2.800m)
Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)/ * Dennis Seidenberg ($1.800m)

* Anders Eriksson ($0.600m) - or a brawler

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)

* Alex Auld ($0.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.852m; CAP ROOM: $0.061m BONUSES: $0.212m

A very tight fit that could work

BTW - I cannot resist posting the view I have outside my hotels front right now. Less than 20 miles away lies the beast of the Eyjafjalljaökull volcano...
If you can fit: Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, Seidenberg, Zherdev, MZA (rookie) I'm all for getting Kovalchuk and adding the rest of the names mentioned above. However, if it means getting a incomplete 1 way player in Kovalchuk only without adressing other team needs[scoring depth, veteran d-men, center(but we can live without if aasen, zherdev, kovalchuk, seidenberg, Volchenkov are added as depth; it would minimize the center issue. Besides, the all russian line has potential) then im not ok with it at all.

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If he comes cheap, then yeah go for it.

However, I don't buy for a second just because Gaborik is on the team Zherdev will be better off because he'll no longer have to "be the guy."

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My prayers might be answered! I've been an avid Zherdev supporter and if we bring him back it would be the best signing for us possible. Zherdev with Gaborik can propel him up to 35 goals. That's Eric Staal territory people.

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It adresses the scoring depth issue. Gaborik gets some help. The teams depth improves.

Up front so far we have Gaborik, Dubinsky, Aasen, maybe Prospal, and hopefully Zherdev.

The depth already looks better than last season, or the one before. You throw in a center(Plekanec) to compliment a Dubinsky or Prospal, and you're set.

A veteran d-men for would be good too.
Where is all the cap space coming from? You waive Redden, he has to be replaced. That leaves you about 5.5 mil to spend. Plekanec alone will cost that.

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