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05-07-2010, 03:00 PM
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Not totally
  • Dumped in Hartford – Redden
  • Not resigned – Jokinen, Prospal, Lisin, PAP
  • Traded at draft for upgrades – Rozie, Gilroy, Sauer, rights to Lisin ?
  • Traded for AHL fodder – Brashear (or placed on LTIR for mushy brain), Voros (Hartford?)
  • Resigned – Christensson, Shelly, Prust, Girardi, Staal, Eriksson, Auld
  • New UFAs – Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, Seidenberg, Zherdev, MZA (rookie)
  • Rookies – Sangs, (MZA)

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) /* Erik Christensen ($0.750m) /Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) /* Nikolai Zherdev ($3.000m)
* MDZ ($0.900m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m)

Brian Boyle ($0.525m)

or

* MDZ ($0.900m)/ Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) /Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) /* Nikolai Zherdev ($3.000m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / * Jody Shelley ($0.750m)

* Erik Christensen ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / * Anton Volchenkov ($4.500m)
* Daniel Girardi ($2.250m) / * Marc Staal ($2.800m)
Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)/ * Dennis Seidenberg ($1.800m)

* Anders Eriksson ($0.600m) - or a brawler

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)

* Alex Auld ($0.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.852m; CAP ROOM: $0.061m BONUSES: $0.212m

A very tight fit that could work
Two problems

The salary cap hasn't been determined. $57.7 million is just one of the many rumored numbers. NHL says flat to slightly up.

You obliterated the summer cap.

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05-07-2010, 03:01 PM
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pass.

you can find someone else to give you similar numbers minus the frustration and disapearing act.

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05-07-2010, 03:02 PM
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If he comes cheap, then yeah go for it.

However, I don't buy for a second just because Gaborik is on the team Zherdev will be better off because he'll no longer have to "be the guy."
Well you should. Defenses will cover Gaborik more no matter who else is on our line. With most of the defensive pressure on Gaborik, Zherdev will thrive with far more opportunity than he had in 08'-09'. This is a win-win for both players because Gaborik scores no matter what, as we saw last season, and Zherdev is placed in a position for optimal success.

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05-07-2010, 03:05 PM
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Where is all the cap space coming from? You waive Redden, he has to be replaced. That leaves you about 5.5 mil to spend. Plekanec alone will cost that.
Read above. BBkings.

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05-07-2010, 03:06 PM
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pass.

you can find someone else to give you similar numbers minus the frustration and disapearing act.
Name that somebody else.

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05-07-2010, 03:14 PM
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

NYR in a historical context, has to lead the league in players being brought back after trades or free agency.

Off the top of my head:

Messier
Ruchinsky
Nedved 3x
Halavc
Avery
Kovalev

Zherdev?

any more?

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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

NYR in a historical context, has to lead the league in players being brought back after trades or free agency.

Off the top of my head:

Messier
Ruchinsky
Nedved 3x
Halavc
Avery
Kovalev

Zherdev?

any more?
Letting go some of these players have been mistakes especially( Avery, Zherdev). Letting go of Zherdev was a mistake. It should have never been done, especially by a team who needs all the scoring possible. They let go of him and replaced him with what? Kotalik? Yeah, let's be real.

As invisible or as incomplete of a player he is, he adresses something this team lacks. He adresses the need for scoring depth. His talent level alone locks this guy for 50+ points a season, 20+ goals.

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05-07-2010, 03:31 PM
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I like Zherdev at $3.25MM a heck of a lot better than I do Kovalchuk at $8MM+.

Let's not act as if he's the first player to ever "disappear" in his first playoff appearance. Inconsistencies aside, 55-60 points on the 2nd line at $3.25MM per year is a very good deal in the cap era.

Like I said the first time this was brought up, I think Gaborik could be a positive mentor for Zherdev.

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MZA-AA-Kovulchuck
I wish.
I support signing Z for 3.75 max but if signing him doesn't leave us with enough cap to sign Kovy, I'd just stay away.

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05-07-2010, 03:42 PM
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i hope he does re-signn!! 3.5 per 3 yrs.

Prospal-Dubi-Gaborik
Zherdev-Drury-Callahan
MZA-AA-Avery
Prust-Boyle-Shelly

great depth!!!

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And I still think it's an option worth exploring.
Me, too. All for it if he's on the cheap. 2 years, 2.5M per.

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Meh, at a reasonable price, I guess he'd be a solid pickup. I'd definitely rather have him for 1-2 years around 3.5 million than Kovalchuk on the books for 9 million for the rest of my life.

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This, THIS, would be finally correcting the Kotalik mistake from last summer. I'm frankly surprised to see something like 75% of the posters in favor. My memories of last summer are me & Hoosier & a couple of other people arguing til we were blue in the face against the vast majority of the board. Welcome to the dark side, people...

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Kovalchuk at 8.5M or less is not a mistake.

Drury at anything above $2m is.

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Name that somebody else.
plenty of players,but i dont have the official roster of every team with every player,so unless you want me to name every single player in this league who can give you 60 points,dont hold your breath.

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plenty of players,but i dont have the official roster of every team with every player,so unless you want me to name every single player in this league who can give you 60 points,dont hold your breath.
The more pertinent question is how do we obtain those players? Most of them are under contract, and those that aren't will be wildly overpaid when they do hit free agency (see Gomez, Scott and Drury, Chris). We're fortunate enough to already have a relationship with Nik, and I doubt a lot of teams are going to be pursuing him hard, for a number of reasons.

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I would enjoy him as a SECONDARY scorer on the team. I'm sure he will play much better without having to worry about carrying the team all the time on offense.

Sign him up, 2 years 3M a season.

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Well you should. Defenses will cover Gaborik more no matter who else is on our line. With most of the defensive pressure on Gaborik, Zherdev will thrive with far more opportunity than he had in 08'-09'. This is a win-win for both players because Gaborik scores no matter what, as we saw last season, and Zherdev is placed in a position for optimal success.
Theoretically your correct, however he played behind a guy named Rick Nash in Columbus whose certainly no slouch to similar results.

Thats why I'm in favor of him coming back if he comes back for not too much.

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Hahah, beat writers are so quick to comment on things posted at HF.
Zipay had actually re-tweeted Genadi's original tweet. Then followed up and posted his denial. He wasn't reading HF for this one.

As best I can tell, this was just a bad case of "telephone", lost in translation. Genadi works for Sovietsky Sport, which ran an article today which stated: "According to the New York media, forward Nikolay Zherdev is close to returning in Rangers". Genadi took that and turned it into the tweet that was quoted earlier in this thread.

I suspect the original "NY media" report was actually a post on Blueshirt Banter speculating on the possibility. Cause I haven't seen anything else that suggests a Zherdev return to NY and Russian papers regularly pull stuff from blogs over here.

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After watching this team rely on Gaborik and miss the the playoffs, and having no immediate option in the system, it could not really hurt to take a chance with Zherdev for some solid secondary scoring. He is a legit 60-70 point player.

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After watching this team rely on Gaborik and miss the the playoffs, and having no immediate option in the system, it could not really hurt to take a chance with Zherdev for some solid secondary scoring. He is a legit 60-70 point player.
He is not a legit 60-67 point guy. He's had more than 60 points once.

Its time to stop looking at this guys potential and look at what he is.

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One year deal, and that's only after all other avenues have been explored and all other options exhausted.

I just have a feeling he will end up in either washington, Pittsburgh or Atlanta and light up the Rangers.

I also find it odd so many people would be inclined to have him back, especially after a season where people were even getting on Dubinsky and Callahan for not scoring consistently.

At least those two guys find other ways to contribute. When Zherdev goes through his traditional 10-game pointless streaks, I'll bet my house he wont be doing much else.

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He is not a legit 60-67 point guy. He's had more than 60 points once.

Its time to stop looking at this guys potential and look at what he is.
Im not looking at potential, Im looking at the numbers. He is a 60 point player. Just because you dont like him doesnt change that fact.

If the Rangers had any kind of power play in his year here he would have had near 70 points. Especially when you consider that he had 11 more power play points in Columbus the year before.

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One year deal, and that's only after all other avenues have been explored and all other options exhausted.

I just have a feeling he will end up in either washington, Pittsburgh or Atlanta and light up the Rangers.

I also find it odd so many people would be inclined to have him back, especially after a season where people were even getting on Dubinsky and Callahan for not scoring consistently.

At least those two guys find other ways to contribute. When Zherdev goes through his traditional 10-game pointless streaks, I'll bet my house he wont be doing much else.
QFT. And that's something that's been said NUMEROUS times over the summer, and during the season. Zherdev, when he wasn't scoring, wasn't doing anything. Exactly why I have no interest in having him back.

As a last resort, possibly, because we DO need goals. But this team doesn't need the headaches that are going to come with those goals.

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Im not looking at potential, Im looking at the numbers. He is a 60 point player. Just because you dont like him doesnt change that fact.
It's not a question of not liking him. He's been a 60 point player once. That doesn't make him a legit 60 point player. Radek Dvorak scored 30 goals once. Does that make him a legit 30 goal scorer?


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If the Rangers had any kind of power play in his year here he would have had near 70 points. Especially when you consider that he had 11 more power play points in Columbus the year before.
That, right there is speculation and looking at potential. Enough "ifs." What he "is" is an inconsistent guy who doesn't get enough out of his talent.

Doesn't he also take some blame for that PP being so bad?

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