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05-08-2010, 07:27 PM
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Big decision

It isn't time yet. But when the time comes where schenn AND Loktionov are ready to make the big club what do we do? they are both centers, and i dont think either one would be useful on the 3rd line. maybe switch loktionov to wing? because i really want BOTH on the team, and im sure you all do too

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Loktionov will end up as a winger and Schenn will remain as a center. Can't see them both making the roster though. Loktionov will end up in the minors for another year probably, Voynov will have a very good chance at making it though. Schenn carries with him the problem of money. I wouldn't be surprised if they sent him to Manchester simply to wait for Zues to expire, though if he plays well enough, they can't deny him. It is all up to him in the end.

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Loktionov needs another year in the AHL, he's too small and needs to fill out his body (same for Moller).. They both won't make the team, if they do, I see Handzus becoming a 4th line center, Loktionov as the 2nd line center and Brayden Schenn be our Jordan Staal, 3rd line center, who can shut down the other teams top line and will put up big numbers.

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Loktionov will end up as a winger and Schenn will remain as a center. Can't see them both making the roster though.
Or this.. lol

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I'm thinking one of them will be pretty established already by the time the other gets his shot. Loktionov, being smaller, might be the one having to take the longer route. From what I understand Schenn and Lokti are good two-way players so they should do well in both checking and scoring roles.

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Does Lokti have the wheels necessary to excel given his size limitations? I don't remember being impressed by his skating. Help a brother out here.

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Does Lokti have the wheels necessary to excel given his size limitations? I don't remember being impressed by his skating. Help a brother out here.
I heard that he has good strides, but is ultimately slow when compared to those around him on the ice.

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I heard that he has good strides, but is ultimately slow when compared to those around him on the ice.
Sounds like a small version of Frolov. So, why are people high on this kid? Assuming he is an average skater, he lacks size, brings nothing physical, and doesn't bring a particularly great shot.

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Sounds like a small version of Frolov. So, why are people high on this kid? Assuming he is an average skater, he lacks size, brings nothing physical, and doesn't bring a particularly great shot.
Haha. That is almost exactly what I said the other night when I heard that I think my exact words were "Frolov with a height deficiency."

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What would you guys think of trading Loktionov to the 'Hawks? I really like the kid from what I've seen of him.

Something packaging Patrick Sharp for Loktionov and a pick would work for me.

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What would you guys think of trading Loktionov to the 'Hawks? I really like the kid from what I've seen of him.

Something packaging Patrick Sharp for Loktionov and a pick would work for me.
What's Patrick earning now days?

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What's Patrick earning now days?
3.9 cap I think.

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What's Patrick earning now days?
$3.9 million cap hit for 2 more years.

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What would you guys think of trading Loktionov to the 'Hawks? I really like the kid from what I've seen of him.

Something packaging Patrick Sharp for Loktionov and a pick would work for me.
That's a possibility. Say a Lokti and a 3rd would do.

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Next season, Loktionov will form a two-some with
Brandon Kozun in Manchester that should, by all rights,
terrorize the AHL.

Loktionov is still very young--He's 19, and turns 20 a little over
3 weeks from today.
He could use a few more lbs on his frame,
and they are coming--He has put on
a few lbs in the last year or so.

He projects, eventually, as maybe a 50-60 point,
2-way, 2nd-line type Center,
who plays on both special teams.

I think he'll really break through next season in the AHL
and be a 100-pt player in Manchester, along with Kozun.

If he can convert to LW, he will have a much
easier time breaking in with us.

If he can't, he may very well end up being traded.

Schenn
has at least equivalent offensive skills/creativity, and is
much more physically robust (2-3 inches taller, 15-20 lbs heavier),
while playing a grittier, more hard-hitting style.
And everyone knows how important strength can be in the center position.

Schenn will be 1st choice as a Center on the Big Club,
and is a year ahead of Loktionov now, since Schenn will
probably make the Kings next season, and Loktionov's NHL debut
was delayed until late next season or even 2011-12
due to his shoulder injury last November,which took him out
until about 3-4 weeks ago or so.

Loktionov might make a pretty cool LW, if he can adapt.

He can use his considerable shiftiness and creativity from the left side
and not have to line up against big muscular centers.

If he can learn to play LW,
we might get to keep him.




I really love the kinds of problems
and dilemmas we're getting these days.



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05-08-2010, 09:57 PM
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I'm still not sold as to whether or not Loktionov (or Moller; his future holds the same questions) will ever have a successful NHL career. Loktionov is tiny. He took a mild bump in his first NHL game and dislocated his shoulder. He has all world hockey talent, but wrapped in a horse jockey's body. If he can add some serious muscle and still retain his speed and agility, sure, he can put up 60-70 points in this league. But that's a big question mark.

Let's not kid ourselves here. The reason we picked up this kid in the fifth round wasn't because of the Russian transfer agreement or anything of the sort. He's small. If he was 6'2 200 lbs. he would have been a top five pick.

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I'm still not sold as to whether or not Loktionov (or Moller; his future holds the same questions) will ever have a successful NHL career. Loktionov is tiny. He took a mild bump in his first NHL game and dislocated his shoulder. He has all world hockey talent, but wrapped in a horse jockey's body. If he can add some serious muscle and still retain his speed and agility, sure, he can put up 60-70 points in this league. But that's a big question mark.

Let's not kid ourselves here. The reason we picked up this kid in the fifth round wasn't because of the Russian transfer agreement or anything of the sort. He's small. If he was 6'2 200 lbs. he would have been a top five pick.
Keep in mind that the kid is still a teenager.

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Sounds like a small version of Frolov. So, why are people high on this kid? Assuming he is an average skater, he lacks size, brings nothing physical, and doesn't bring a particularly great shot.
Smarts and shiftiness. He was compared to Datsyuk-lite.

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Smarts and shiftiness. He was compared to Datsyuk-lite.
Reportedly, Loktionov's mentor is Igor Larionov, who he
speaks to by phone regularly for advice
on hockey and life in general.
Good mentor, IMO.

Datsyuk, at 31, is listed at 5'11", 197 lbs.
Loktionov is listed right now, at
the tender age of "almost-20", at
5'11", 187 lbs.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112618

Same height.

Just 10 lbs difference between the 2...

Plus a lot of hours of strength-training
and power-skating sessions.

Loktionov is at the perfect age to put on the muscle
and close the gap, or even slightly surpass a player like Datsyuk.

In 18 months or so, with Loktionov likely still
at 5'11", but say a burlier 200 lbs,
things could get interesting.

Though he'll never be as straight-out fast as Datsyuk,
the slippery Loktionov could get strong enough to
be an effective 2-way player in the NHL.

And if he can adapt and perform at LW, he may
just possibly stay a King for a long time.


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Datsyuk is an exceptional skater. He has a quick first step and elite top speed.

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