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05-06-2010, 03:23 PM
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I think the majority of us Wild fans would rather hang onto Burns and take our chances. Like I think I said before, we probably won't move him unless vast overpayment. He is only 24? He got his issues corrected and really started to come on. I hope he has a great WC, I thought he was being considered for Team Canada before our horrible start.
yeah, and they'd be wise to hang on to him...just riffing here, thanks for giving me a sense of how he is viewed here...i was unsure if maybe fans/management were getting a bit impatient with the injuries/underacheivment of late. i've been a fan of his since his rookie year. Hope he is a great WC.

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05-06-2010, 03:26 PM
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I think some of us would be in favor of trading Burns for the right return, but our D would be horrible next year if we didn't hang onto Burns.

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05-06-2010, 03:31 PM
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yeah, and they'd be wise to hang on to him...just riffing here, thanks for giving me a sense of how he is viewed here...i was unsure if maybe fans/management were getting a bit impatient with the injuries/underacheivment of late. i've been a fan of his since his rookie year. Hope he is a great WC.
Burns is one of those guys where if you talk to five different fans, you will get five different opinions.

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05-06-2010, 04:06 PM
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Burns is one of those guys where if you talk to five different fans, you will get five different opinions.
yeah, kinda why i inquired, i figured there could be some differing opinions regarding the plan with him going forward. i didnt go blindly into this like many 'pipe dream' scenarios you see around the boards. Could almost be a 'perfect storm' situation with the Wild (at least in acquring him)

-already have $46m tied up for next year (including Burns)
-have 5 NHL ready D-men signed (maybe looking to add a UFA?)
-opens capspace for UFA/RFA's
-getting 2 cheaper, NHL ready/upside RFA's in return, helps sooner than later

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05-06-2010, 04:28 PM
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The problem is, we have a lot of money locked up in average/flawed defensemen:

Barker @ $3m is unproven, was overpaid by Chicago and could be solid or crap
Schultz @ $3.5m is a mediocre 3rd pairing guy with no shot who's horribly overpaid
Zanon @ $1.9m is a steal, shutdown shot blocker but no offense
Zidlicky @ $4m is market rate but a one-dimensional PP/offensive specialist
Stoner @ $550k is completely unproven due to injuries his whole career

If we just replace Burns with a warm body, in addition to our offensive system (codeword for horrible team defense, giving up odd man rushes and shorties left and right), we're going to look absolutely terrible next year.

Burns is the only skater in a Wild sweater who has the ability to take over a game. Backstrom would be the only other guy who can steal games for us. I love Koivu, but he doesn't just turn it on and completely dominate the flow of the game on his own. He capitalizes on chances created by trapping the other team in their end and cycling the puck with his linemates. Havlat and Latendresse tend to score off the rush or on a turnover, mainly chances created by the other team. But Burns can skate the puck up ice uninhibited and take the puck directly to the net on his own, has a great shot, and can move the puck pretty well if that's what he wants to do.

The key is for him to have a steady defensive minded D partner and to stay healthy. He also needs to pick his spots and use his teammates more...which sucks because half our team is garbage offensively. But when he rushes the puck and the rest of the team has no clue what's going on (like the first month of the season), everyone stops to watch him and it usually results in a 3-on-1 or worse coming back.

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05-06-2010, 05:42 PM
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Burns is one of those guys where if you talk to five different fans, you will get five different opinions.
for instance i would never trade him, whats the worst that could happen? he plays bad and then his contract will be lower when time to resign? Hes to gifted to let walk.... hes a franchise player that just needs to work out some issues and stay healthy.

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05-10-2010, 10:43 AM
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The problem is, we have a lot of money locked up in average/flawed defensemen:

Barker @ $3m is unproven, was overpaid by Chicago and could be solid or crap
Schultz @ $3.5m is a mediocre 3rd pairing guy with no shot who's horribly overpaid
Zanon @ $1.9m is a steal, shutdown shot blocker but no offense
Zidlicky @ $4m is market rate but a one-dimensional PP/offensive specialist
Stoner @ $550k is completely unproven due to injuries his whole career

If we just replace Burns with a warm body, in addition to our offensive system (codeword for horrible team defense, giving up odd man rushes and shorties left and right), we're going to look absolutely terrible next year.

Burns is the only skater in a Wild sweater who has the ability to take over a game. Backstrom would be the only other guy who can steal games for us. I love Koivu, but he doesn't just turn it on and completely dominate the flow of the game on his own. He capitalizes on chances created by trapping the other team in their end and cycling the puck with his linemates. Havlat and Latendresse tend to score off the rush or on a turnover, mainly chances created by the other team. But Burns can skate the puck up ice uninhibited and take the puck directly to the net on his own, has a great shot, and can move the puck pretty well if that's what he wants to do.

The key is for him to have a steady defensive minded D partner and to stay healthy. He also needs to pick his spots and use his teammates more...which sucks because half our team is garbage offensively. But when he rushes the puck and the rest of the team has no clue what's going on (like the first month of the season), everyone stops to watch him and it usually results in a 3-on-1 or worse coming back.
how can you say $4 million is market rate for a one dimensional PP/Offensive specialist? What is Bergeron making? Zidlicky is the most overpaid of all our D.

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Would you guys be willing to do a deal based around Hemsky for Burns?

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05-11-2010, 08:22 AM
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Would you guys be willing to do a deal based around Hemsky for Burns?
He's virtually untradeable to me since Burns looks like he's regaining his old form.

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Would you guys be willing to do a deal based around Hemsky for Burns?
I would be enticed, I just don't think they'd trade in division

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Hemsky is a lot better return than what's been tossed around in the trade forum. I really would rather us not trade Burns though.

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05-11-2010, 11:53 AM
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No, the flashes from Burns are a lot better than the flashes from Hemsky.

Zidlicky is far better than Bergeron even strength. Bergeron was tremendously underpaid this year, watch him go for $2-2.5m this offseason. Mark Streit would be a better comparison, or Brian Campbell if you want to go there. PP/offensive specialists who play a regular shift as well.

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Would you guys be willing to do a deal based around Hemsky for Burns?
Yes and no. That's the type of deal which I could possibly see happening over the summer as both players have a couple years left before free agency. There's still the question of Hemsky's health and how he will fare next year after only playing twenty games, but there are pieces which would make the deal work if both GMs wanted to make a trade.

With that said, I don't believe Fletcher will trade Burns this year and is serious about giving the present blue-line a shot (i.e. not overpaying for a replacement in free agency or placing high expectations on someone in Houston). That might not be the case next year, but at that point I would be looking for prospects and picks rather than a lateral move with free agency. I'd assume the Oilers would be too.

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No, the flashes from Burns are a lot better than the flashes from Hemsky.

Zidlicky is far better than Bergeron even strength. Bergeron was tremendously underpaid this year, watch him go for $2-2.5m this offseason. Mark Streit would be a better comparison, or Brian Campbell if you want to go there. PP/offensive specialists who play a regular shift as well.
I doubt Bergeron gets 2+M, simply because of how many teams would envision him as a #12 forward playing the point on the PP.

Zidlicky, I think he's paid about right, but I didn't want him back. He's not a top-pairing guy and we were already pricey on the blueline given the terrible group we have.

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05-11-2010, 05:51 PM
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Would you guys be willing to do a deal based around Hemsky for Burns?
In the blink of an eye. Unfortunately Edmonton probably isn't dumb enough to do it.

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the thing is, Zid (and MAB for that matter) shouldn't be playing a "regular" top four shift. No one is going to pay bergeron $2 million dollars. edit: campbell?! Zid is a lot closer to MAB than he is campbell.

Burns' physical side was really evident in his pre-injury year and I think he's been very tentative in that regard post-injury. I don't know if it's because he still hurts all over or if he's afraid of a concussion (both understandable reasons) but if he doesn't get back to playing with the attitude he had he is not going to be worth his contract. He has to find some way to get his abandon back with his recklessness. (he still has that).


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Well Zidlicky did just fine in the Olympics, very aggressive and tenacious in his own end. Really liked what he did defensively, although I'm not sure why that didn't carry over back with the Wild. I still think that injury of his was affecting him down the stretch.

I don't see a problem with Burns not being overly physical. The kid was running all over the place early in the season and horrible as a result. He does better when he settles down and picks his spots. He'll still throw a nice hip check now and again.

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MAB will go for $1.3M in the offseason. He is a huge piece to Montreal's Powerplay, but he is terrible in his own end. There is a reason he only plays about 4 minutes a game with them. He is a poor man's Mike Green in that he has a wicked slapshot and can score, but cannot hold his own in the defensive zone.

Zidlicky is right around what he would get from any other team....if not more depending on the team. And yes I'm being serious. He has flashes of being incredible defensively, but does have a lot of giveaways. He is a Brian Campbell type player....and he comes at $3M cheaper. And while Campbell's contract is horrible, he would of gotten easily $6.5M after his season with the Sharks that year considering this is before Doughty and Green broke through.

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How about Setoguchi + Derek Joslin (or Mike Moore) for Burns? If you don't want a D prospect, then a 2nd instead

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How about Setoguchi + Derek Joslin (or Mike Moore) for Burns? If you don't want a D prospect, then a 2nd instead
Setoguchi would be something I would have to consider very hard in which case I'd think about moving Burns.

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How about Setoguchi + Derek Joslin (or Mike Moore) for Burns? If you don't want a D prospect, then a 2nd instead
I would definitely consider this.

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How about Setoguchi + Derek Joslin (or Mike Moore) for Burns? If you don't want a D prospect, then a 2nd instead
In a heartbeat. Seto would be a force with Koivu and Bruno

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Burnsie played forward for two periods against Norway. I didn't catch it until the third when he was moved back to D. Looks like he picked up 2 assists.

In other news, Eberle had 1 goal and 4 assists. Tavares had the hatty.

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I don't like the idea of Burns playing forward again...hopefully he can just keep playing as a d-man.

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What the hell is he doing up front again?

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