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05-12-2010, 05:47 AM
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Maybe "insane blue-line depth" wasn't exactly the best phrase to use, but assuming McDonagh is looking to play in the NHL right away upon leaving college, there are certainly several teams on which he'd have a much better shot at doing so than here. He would be fighting with at least two guys just to be the first call up from Hartford.
Since he's a non factor this season which is fine, no one knows what the status of Redden/Rozi/Gilroy/Girardi will be for 2011-12. All four might be gone. We'll see after July 1st who gets brought in and for how long.

I'm still hoping that Sangs and one of Kundratek/Valatenko make the team to start the season with all 3 seeing time this year and I think McD has the edge of just about anyone outside of those 3 excluding Pashnian but who knows if/when he'll come over.

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Since he's a non factor this season which is fine, no one knows what the status of Redden/Rozi/Gilroy/Girardi will be for 2011-12. All four might be gone. We'll see after July 1st who gets brought in and for how long.

I'm still hoping that Sangs and one of Kundratek/Valatenko make the team to start the season with all 3 seeing time this year and I think McD has the edge of just about anyone outside of those 3 excluding Pashnian but who knows if/when he'll come over.
Kundratek couldn't stick in Hartford last year. I doubt he's ready for the NHL. Hopefully he's ready for the AHL now. If he ends up in the ECHL, it's a long shot that he'll ever be an NHL dman.

I'm not counting either Valentenko or Pashnin until they come over.

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Yeah, TK is an EXTREME long shot to make the team. Frankly, I don't think he's even on the radar as a possibility at this point. I still like him as a prospect, but the chances of him making the NHL out of camp have to be close to zero.

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Yeah, TK is an EXTREME long shot to make the team. Frankly, I don't think he's even on the radar as a possibility at this point. I still like him as a prospect, but the chances of him making the NHL out of camp have to be close to zero.

I have to respectfully disagree. I think he's a little older and wiser now and more physically mature (6 ft 2 and 220) and maybe he impresses. I know he was hurt a big chunk of this year but he has that AHL/KHL experience playing against grown men and he's not 19 anymore. Still, his team folded and he is a total FA, just get him over here already.

I know Kundratek couldn't stick in Hartford as the previous poster but who knows? He was too young. He played his overage year and did fine, now let him keep working out and getting better in the offseason and see what he has to offer in camp. If he's gonna contend for a spot it'll have to be for his hitting and D play and not his offensive prowess. I think he might be a little better than Gilroy or even Del Z defensively but let's see what he got.

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I have to respectfully disagree. I think he's a little older and wiser now and more physically mature (6 ft 2 and 220) and maybe he impresses. I know he was hurt a big chunk of this year but he has that AHL/KHL experience playing against grown men and he's not 19 anymore. Still, his team folded and he is a total FA, just get him over here already.

I know Kundratek couldn't stick in Hartford as the previous poster but who knows? He was too young. He played his overage year and did fine, now let him keep working out and getting better in the offseason and see what he has to offer in camp. If he's gonna contend for a spot it'll have to be for his hitting and D play and not his offensive prowess. I think he might be a little better than Gilroy or even Del Z defensively but let's see what he got.
Maybe you have him mixed up with someone else. He doesn't have any KHL experience (being a young Czech) and has only played 1 AHL game so far. He's got very little chance of making the Rangers next year.

I like Valentenko's chances better but he missed practically all of last season with an injury and whether he's physcially capable of coming in and taking a spot at this point is very debateable. Best chances of young defenseman making it assuming Heikkinen is not returning are McDonagh if he signs and Sanguinetti and truthfully Sangs did not impress me all that much last year. Great start in Hartford--a callup and then he faded when he was sent back down.

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I have to respectfully disagree. I think he's a little older and wiser now and more physically mature (6 ft 2 and 220) and maybe he impresses. I know he was hurt a big chunk of this year but he has that AHL/KHL experience playing against grown men and he's not 19 anymore. Still, his team folded and he is a total FA, just get him over here already.

I know Kundratek couldn't stick in Hartford as the previous poster but who knows? He was too young. He played his overage year and did fine, now let him keep working out and getting better in the offseason and see what he has to offer in camp. If he's gonna contend for a spot it'll have to be for his hitting and D play and not his offensive prowess. I think he might be a little better than Gilroy or even Del Z defensively but let's see what he got.
He played in the Czech Extraliga, which is borderline AHL quality. Not the KHL. And he has 1 game of actual AHL experience. He was also listed at 192lbs this season, so I'm not sure where you're getting 220lbs. He's not even close to that solid.

Anyway, he had a good--good, not great--overage season in the WHL. "Good, not great" overage defenseman making the jump into an NHL starting lineup, bypassing the AHL entirely? It's not going to happen.

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I just hope Kundratek is ready to play in the A this year.

I just hope Valentenko chooses to play NA hockey again and can stay healthy.

Right now neither of these guys is a factor going into next year.

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Jeez it would be nice to have Valentenko, Kundratek, Sauer, McDonagh and Klassen all in the AHL this upcoming sesaon. I am thinking Sanguintti will make the NHL team.

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He played in the Czech Extraliga, which is borderline AHL quality. Not the KHL. And he has 1 game of actual AHL experience. He was also listed at 192lbs this season, so I'm not sure where you're getting 220lbs. He's not even close to that solid.

Anyway, he had a good--good, not great--overage season in the WHL. "Good, not great" overage defenseman making the jump into an NHL starting lineup, bypassing the AHL entirely? It's not going to happen.
he might have been referring to valetenko.

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I saw TK as hartford bound next year. With all our potential D candidates, he doesnt strike me as the guy to look for.

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he might have been referring to valetenko.
LOL, yes the first paragraph was about Tank and the second one was about Kundratek. I can't post at work but I was waiting all day for someone to mention that.

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We like following Werek for a very simple reason; he is going to be a star for the Rangers if he can remain healthy. He may not be as fast as Kreider, not as good a passer as Stepan or as heavy a hitter as McDonagh is but what he might wind up turning out to be is the best overall prospect the Rangers have.
Best overall prospect we have? Better than Stepan, Kreider, Grachev, McDonagh, or Sangs? What do you guys think?

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Best overall prospect we have? Better than Stepan, Kreider, Grachev, McDonagh, or Sangs? What do you guys think?
no, i dont even think it comes close. I think, on pure potential, Chris Kreider is without a doubt the best prospect we've had since Brian Leetch. I just think his combination of size, speed, skill, nose for the net and a hard shot with a quick release are almost unheard of. Guy has Gaborik like potential, but honestly I think he's already faster than Gaborik. Truth be told, I think Kreider could come into the NHL today, and I'm not sure if anyone would be as fast as him. With that said, this is all based on potential, more particularly, ceiling. Whether Kreider will ever achieve his unbelievable ceiling is the question, and it's probably in the "doubtful" range, simply because you so rarely see a player with those kinds of tools harness them all at the same time. I think Kreider also has some compete issues...well, not compete, but floating issues. He is a lot like Gaborik in that he floats, floats, and then wham hits the gas full speed and is gone. You'd like to see him more actively engaged. With his wheels, and more particularly with his size, he should be way more noticeable than he already is (which is still quite noticeable).

I think Werek is also well behind Stepan because of pure hockey sense. I'm a big fan of smart hockey players, i think hockey IQ is the single most underrated aspect of a hockey players repertoire. Honestly I would rather have a smart hockey player who has above average skills, than a dumb hockey player with elite skills (i'm talking to you Enver Lisin). Stepan still needs to work on his skating. I know Leslie called him an above average skater, but I disagree, I think at best you can call him an average skater, and I think he's also got some floating problems in his game as well, though, in his case it's probably just him reading the play on when to let up and when to go, whereas with Kreider I think he just sorta tries to pick his moments rather than make those moments happen if you get me.

I also rank Werek behind Grachev who also has a ridiculous combination of size, speed, and skill, though nowhere near the speed Kreider has, Grachev can definitely fly for a guy his size.

Werek is a nice prospect, but IMHO, I think he tops out as a 2nd line regular, and will likely be a 3rd line player if and when he makes it to the NHL.

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Best overall prospect we have? Better than Stepan, Kreider, Grachev, McDonagh, or Sangs? What do you guys think?

Typical Jess...I think Werek is a 2nd line LW if he develops properly. But, both Kreider and Grachev are ahead of him at LW. And Stepan ranks higher due to position and hockey IQ.

I agree with Inferno about Kreider...he's the best chance this organization has at developing a legitimate 1st line talent.

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Best overall prospect we have? Better than Stepan, Kreider, Grachev, McDonagh, or Sangs? What do you guys think?
Jess is smoking something good. Werek our best prospect? Not by a longshot. He's a good prospect, but we have a bunch who are better.

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Jess is smoking something good. Werek our best prospect? Not by a longshot. He's a good prospect, but we have a bunch who are better.

LOL are you the Jimbo he is calling out in the comments section of that entry?

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LOL are you the Jimbo he is calling out in the comments section of that entry?
Haha, that's funny but unfortunately that is not me

I'm not a big fan of his work so I am not a member of his site.

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The fact that Werek beat Hall is in a stickhandling competition... for starters there is clearly something that as a fan base, a lot of us are overlooking. That body with those tools and 2 30 goal seasons which could have potentiaslly been 40 goal seasons, and it looks like we have a real gem, not a dark horse but a player who has been flat out overlooked.

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The fact that Werek beat Hall is in a stickhandling competition... for starters there is clearly something that as a fan base, a lot of us are overlooking. That body with those tools and 2 30 goal seasons which could have potentiaslly been 40 goal seasons, and it looks like we have a real gem, not a dark horse but a player who has been flat out overlooked.
IMO that doesn't really say much. The real question is can he beat guy 1 on 1 with his stick handling skills in a game situation?

I know a bunch of guys that can do wonders with the puck when not going full speed or without a 200 pound guy coming toward them.

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The fact that Werek beat Hall is in a stickhandling competition... for starters there is clearly something that as a fan base, a lot of us are overlooking. That body with those tools and 2 30 goal seasons which could have potentiaslly been 40 goal seasons, and it looks like we have a real gem, not a dark horse but a player who has been flat out overlooked.
I don't think he's been overlooked. He's a quality prospect. I happen to believe that he ranks behind both Kreider and Grachev on LW.

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I don't think he's been overlooked. He's a quality prospect. I happen to believe that he ranks behind both Kreider and Grachev on LW.
LW is easily the organization's deepest position outside the big club. Which is why I think we need to draft forwards first and foremost, but all other things being equal, we should be looking C, RW, ....................LW.

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One of Grachev/Kreider/Werek will most likely play on the opposite side. If Werek were on a better team he would have replicated Grachev's numbers in the OHL. I know we are all in love with Evgeny's potential, Werek is about on par. There is a reason he was supposed to be a 1st rounder. Kreider + Werek may end up being 2 very good picks.

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LW is easily the organization's deepest position outside the big club. Which is why I think we need to draft forwards first and foremost, but all other things being equal, we should be looking C, RW, ....................LW.
Yup...Connolly, Tarasenko, Johansen, Burmistrov, Kuznetsov...plenty to choose from.

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I think Werek has real potential to be a 30G-30A guy in the NHL at his peak. He's not going to break Ovechkin's records, but there's no reason he won't be like a Graves or Franzen.

Very smart player and knows where to be to score and play defense plus a great attitude, leadership abilities, and outstanding work ethic.

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The New York Rangers will likely change their AHL affiliation from the Hartford Wolfpack to the Rochester Americans beginning in the 2011-’12 season, a source close to the situation told Biz of Hockey.

This week, co-owner of the Rochester Americans Lewis Staats said the team will not extend its affiliation with the Florida Panthers past the 2010-’11 season, leaving the team a free agent. Rochester ownership made harsh comments this week concerning their relationship with the Panthers. Co-owner Curt Styres said he wants a partnership not a dictatorship, while Staats said the team’s best option is to search for a better affiliation.

According to the source, the Rangers, who reside approximately six hours from Rochester, are unhappy with their relationship with the Wolfpack and are very interested in becoming the parent club of the Americans.
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