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05-23-2010, 12:31 PM
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Stoll to Edmonton

Next season we will likely have quite a lot of young, inexperienced and also small players in our line-up.

So we could really use some one like Stoll: He has a decent size, experience and also is a good two-way player, who is very good in face-offs (another problem area of our team).

Even without him, you seem to have a decent amount of centers in Kopitar, Schenn, Handzus and Richardson and as far as I know he already slipped down in you depth chart.

Besides it is often rumoured that you want to go for a big FA and therefor want to shed some salary.

So what would it take for us to get him?

Might something like

Nash (above-average prospect) + Potulny (cheap roster-player)

get it done, would we have to add a little bit or do you want something completely different?



PS: I’m sorry if I overlooked a general “trade proposal thread”.

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Welcome to our board. The beer is cold and the women are easy.

Regarding your proposal, Dean has stated since the start of this season that trading roster players for picks or prospects is not his interest. He is trying to build a contender and not in rebuild more anymore (getting worse to get better). For that reason alone, the answer would likely be no.

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Welcome to our board. The beer is cold and the women are easy.

Regarding your proposal, Dean has stated since the start of this season that trading roster players for picks or prospects is not his interest. He is trying to build a contender and not in rebuild more anymore (getting worse to get better). For that reason alone, the answer would likely be no.
Thanks first.


I know this statement as well. I just thought that Stoll isn't really needed anymore and you would want to make room for a big UFA like Kovalchuk and therefore need some cap relief.

But except that: Any other chance to make a deal for him then? IMO we really need some size up front and Stoll might be one of the players that are available and also willing to play for us.

EDIT: Trading a player for picks / prospects doesn't necessarily have to be a rebuilding thing. E.g. San Jose also traded Ehrhoff for two prospects in order to make room for Heatley.
Besides I wouldn't call Potulny a prospect anymore.


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I doubt it. We need his ability to win faceoffs, he brings good speed and has a terrific work ethic. Jarret still has another level he can reach. I sometimes wonder if his social agenda outside the rink interferes with that. If he worked on his shot, specifically its placement, he could be a formidable 2nd line center on a contending Kings team.

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Does Edmonton even want him back?

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I doubt it. We need his ability to win faceoffs, he brings good speed and has a terrific work ethic. Jarret still has another level he can reach. I sometimes wonder if his social agenda outside the rink interferes with that. If he worked on his shot, specifically its placement, he could be a formidable 2nd line center on a contending Kings team.
That's all true of course.

I just saw that he slipped down in your depth chart the in last games and there were also some Kings' fans on the general trade rumor board considering him as a likely salary dump.

They said that Schenn might be able to take his role next season and that Handzus was a better third line center (and less tradeable of course as well).

This was what I had in mind.


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Does Edmonton even want him back?
I personally want. But I don't know about the Oilers organisation of course . As for the fanbase it's split.

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If Stoll is going be traded, expect Lombardi to be looking for a defenseman in return. I imagine he'd either be packaged with a pick or a prospect for a solid #3-4 defenseman, or traded for a #5-6 + a pick.

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Stoll + Martinez + 3rd round pick

for

Gilbert + JF Jacques

Kings get rid of the logjam at center, plus added a MUCH needed puck moving defenseman and a gritty fourth liner with moderate offensive upside. Edmonton adds some grit, offense and faceoffs down the middle and gets younger and cheaper on the blueline.

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05-23-2010, 04:12 PM
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Stoll + Martinez + 3rd round pick

for

Gilbert + JF Jacques

Kings get rid of the logjam at center, plus added a MUCH needed puck moving defenseman and a gritty fourth liner with moderate offensive upside. Edmonton adds some grit, offense and faceoffs down the middle and gets younger and cheaper on the blueline.
Doesn't Gilbert have a cap hit like 4 mill? Not dumping salary at all... Value-wise it looks great..
EDIT: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=EDM
Instead of JF Jacques, I could see Ethan Moreau possibly coming over and maybe move that 3rd that we give to a 2nd?

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Doesn't Gilbert have a cap hit like 4 mill? Not dumping salary at all... Value-wise it looks great..
EDIT: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=EDM
Instead of JF Jacques, I could see Ethan Moreau possibly coming over and maybe move that 3rd that we give to a 2nd?
I wasn't sure on the numbers, but I knew that Gilbert + Jacques would be very close maybe a little more than Stoll + Martinez. But the Oilers need someone a little bigger, and tougher down the middle, and the Kings desperately need a puckmoving defenseman and Gilbert is by far the best fit on Edmonton for that. I chose Jacques over Moreau since I thought he would be easier to get in a trade, he has some offensive upside, and is alot bigger and more physical than Moreau. The Kings could really use someone like Jacques to replace Clune. Clune is completely useless, IMO. A small agitator that doesn't agitate. This would be my lineup next year then.

Smyth - Kopitar - Brown
FA(Frolov/Marleau) - Schenn - Williams
Parse - Handzus - Simmonds
Jacques - Richardson - Moller
Lewis - Westgarth

Doughty - Scuderi
Johnson - Gilbert
Greene - Voynov(maybe Hickey)
Drewiske

Quick
Bernier

I think that lineup wins the division, but that might just be me.

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Isn't Parse a free agent? I think he bolts if so.

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Isn't Parse a free agent? I think he bolts if so.
RFA. Even if he was, I would not be so sure. Remember when he was coming out of college he was upset with management since they hadn't talked to him in years and he even signed an ATO with Grand Rapids instead of Manchester. But about 10 days before he was set to be an UFA he signed with the Kings anyways. Now I am sure he is understandably upset about his playing time (as I am), but I think he would stay for a while longer anyways.
Anyways with a full season on that 3rd line I see Parse getting 15-25-40.

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Stoll + Martinez + 3rd round pick

for

Gilbert + JF Jacques

Kings get rid of the logjam at center, plus added a MUCH needed puck moving defenseman and a gritty fourth liner with moderate offensive upside. Edmonton adds some grit, offense and faceoffs down the middle and gets younger and cheaper on the blueline.
I don't think we need to add anything to Stoll for Gilbert + Jacques.

edit: YIKES!!! I wasn't aware of Gilbert's $4 mil cap hit.

PASS!!!

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Stoll for your 2nd..................... deal

if not... for your 3rd......... if not for your 4th
if not for your 5th

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Stoll + Martinez + 3rd round pick

for

Gilbert + JF Jacques

Kings get rid of the logjam at center, plus added a MUCH needed puck moving defenseman and a gritty fourth liner with moderate offensive upside. Edmonton adds some grit, offense and faceoffs down the middle and gets younger and cheaper on the blueline.
As an Oilers fan, that is a definite no.

Gilbert is worth more than Stoll, and is our only RHD capable of playing big time minutes. PLUS, he has incredible chemistry with Ryan Whitney.

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I wasn't sure on the numbers, but I knew that Gilbert + Jacques would be very close maybe a little more than Stoll + Martinez. But the Oilers need someone a little bigger, and tougher down the middle, and the Kings desperately need a puckmoving defenseman and Gilbert is by far the best fit on Edmonton for that. I chose Jacques over Moreau since I thought he would be easier to get in a trade, he has some offensive upside, and is alot bigger and more physical than Moreau. The Kings could really use someone like Jacques to replace Clune. Clune is completely useless, IMO. A small agitator that doesn't agitate. This would be my lineup next year then.

Smyth - Kopitar - Brown
FA(Frolov/Marleau) - Schenn - Williams
Parse - Handzus - Simmonds
Jacques - Richardson - Moller
Lewis - Westgarth

Doughty - Scuderi
Johnson - Gilbert
Greene - Voynov(maybe Hickey)
Drewiske

Quick
Bernier

I think that lineup wins the division, but that might just be me.
Nice line-up other than one damn thing.
RICHARDSON DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE ON THE LAST LINE!!
Our defense looks very nice though. Love that you are a supporter of Marleau, but that is just me and others may think differently (RH63 I am looking at you mainly). I would also consider switching Brown and Williams. Williams could hopefully get going with that line again..

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As an Oilers fan, that is a definite no.

Gilbert is worth more than Stoll, and is our only RHD capable of playing big time minutes. PLUS, he has incredible chemistry with Ryan Whitney.
What more should we add?
Interested in Randy Jones?

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If Stoll is going be traded, expect Lombardi to be looking for a defenseman in return. I imagine he'd either be packaged with a pick or a prospect for a solid #3-4 defenseman, or traded for a #5-6 + a pick.
I'll take Ladislav Smid please.....

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What more should we add?
Interested in Randy Jones?
While i would love to have Stolly back in Edmonton, i just don't think there is a viable trade between the two teams.... Unless we somehow unload Horcoff, i just don't think a trade works.

As it currently stands, Edmonton and LA are bad trading partners. We both need a top four defender, we both have an overload of great third-to-decent-second line centers (although, LA has a legitimate number one guy), and we are in seperate stages. Edmonton wants to rebuild, and LA wants to bud itself into a contender.

I mean, unless you want to take fliers on guys like Moreau, Souray, Nilsson, or Khabbibulin... i just don't see it working out.

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Stoll + Martinez + 3rd round pick

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Gilbert + JF Jacques

Kings get rid of the logjam at center, plus added a MUCH needed puck moving defenseman and a gritty fourth liner with moderate offensive upside. Edmonton adds some grit, offense and faceoffs down the middle and gets younger and cheaper on the blueline.
I think that losing Gilbert is not an option at all. Gilbert and Whitney have good chemistry together and besides we are very weak at defensive depth.


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Stoll for your 2nd..................... deal

if not... for your 3rd......... if not for your 4th
if not for your 5th
Either I missed the irony or your fanbse is also a bit split.

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Last I heard Oiler fans HATE Jarrett Stoll.

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Last I heard Oiler fans HATE Jarrett Stoll.
That's definitely not true.

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Either I missed the irony or your fanbse is also a bit split.
Kurrilino thinks Brad Richardson should be our second line cetner

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What would Moreau take? 4th? 3rd?

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That's definitely not true.

Well, that's what traveling Oiler fans told me at the Staple Center earlier in the season.

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