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10-12-2009, 12:18 AM
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1998:

1.Mathieu Garon
2.Jason Ward
3.Jose Theodore
4.Terry Ryan
5.Tomas Vokoun
6.Matt Higgins
7.Brad Brown
8.Eric Houde
9.Miloslav Guren
10.Aaron Asham

1999:

1.Mathieu Garon
2.Jose Theodore
3.Eric Chouinard
4.Andrei Markov
5.Jason Ward
6.Matt Higgins
7.Terry Ryan
8.Iikka Mikkola
9.Miloslav Guren
10.Mike Ribeiro

2005:

1.Andrei Kostitsyn
2.Chris Higgins
3.Alexander Perezhogin
4.Yann Danis
5.Kyle Chipchura
6.Tomas Plekanec
7.Ron Hainsey
8.Marcel Hossa
9.Mark Streit
10.Maxim Lapierre



The players in Bold makes me wanna puke... ... Even though, Minus Chipchura, the 2005 list was very good.




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7.Jesse Belanger
Oh man

I still remember how much i hyped that guy back then and thought he was going to becom the next Guy Lafleur because he was tearing it up in the AHL. I was such a noob

Turns out that he was nothing more than the Darren Haydar of that time

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Markov always had offensive upside but he was lacking defensive ability so people disregarded him early on. The only one I can see who can potentially become as good as Markov is Subban, and it's a long shot.

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Oh man

I still remember how much i hyped that guy back then and thought he was going to becom the next Guy Lafleur because he was tearing it up in the AHL. I was such a noob

Turns out that he was nothing more than the Darren Haydar of that time
I thought Marcel Hossa would be a big part of our future.

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I'm still hoping for an Alfie Turcotte return...

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Just bumping for those who may be interested, but missed the thread.

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2004:

1.Andrei Kostitsyn
2.Mike Komisarek
3.Chris Higgins
4.Alexander Perezhogin
5.Marcel Hossa
6.Ron Hainsey
7.Cory Urquhart
8.Michael Lambert
9.Maxim Lapierre
10.Jozef Balej
Just look at how much changes in a 5 or 6 year period.

Our "future" was Komisarek, Higgins, Perezhogin, Hainsey etc..

Now, that "future" is well behind us.

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05-29-2010, 10:46 AM
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compare 2009 to 1999. what a difference.
While I hope you're right... That's absurd. We know what happens for everyone from 1999. We have no idea on anyone on the 2009 list.

It's not like Montreal had been drafting off the board for two decades. In 1999, I am sure people thought lots of those guys would turn out better than they did.

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Mmmm

From 89 to 03 we had prospects such as :

Markov, Schneider, Theodore, Koivu, Ribeiro, Cassels, Leclair, Brisebois, Rivet, Vokoun...

In 03 we have :

Kostitsyn X 2, Price, Plekanec, Latendresse, Lapierre, Halak, Higgins, Komisarek

Now it's still early but if anyone turns out like Schneider or Markov I'll be extremly surprised and until that happens, you can't possibly herald the last few years of drafting as anything but middle of the pack drafting of average players.

S. Savard got a lot more homeruns with lower drafting spots. Even Houle got some decent players with Markov, Ribeiro. I haven't seen any homeruns from Timmins yet or anything that looks like it minus maybe Price, but that was a top 5 pick and goalies are really fickle.

But yeah, so far, there is really nothing to be impressed about at all. I honestly don't understand what all of you are so happy about.
The problem is that you're comparing a 14 year span (89 to 03) to a 7 year span (04 to present day). Naturally the longer time span will have more players of note.

However, even comparing those players...

Latendresse may very well end up as good as LeClair.

Plekanec is around the same level as Cassels, Koivu, and Ribeiro.

I'd take Price and Halak over Theodore and Vokoun.

Though very different players, I think that a guy like Komisarek is just as valuable to a team as a guy like Schneider is (just for entirely different reasons).

Rivet and Brisebois were Ok 2nd pairing guys. Likewise, Higgins and AKost were Ok 2nd line wingers (for us).


The only guy on that 89 to 03 list that strikes me as being head and shoulders above the 04 to today list is Markov. One unbelievable late round gem can be a bit of a fluke.

While I'm not as keen on Timmins as some people are, at least he rarely produces complete and utter busts like Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, and Eric Chouinard. I was fearful that Chipchura would join their illustrious ranks, but his career has been revived in Anaheim.

But I agree that Timmins doesn't produce many home-runs sadly. But at least he's like a good lead-off hitter: he doesn't completely strike-out often either.

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I find it hilarious that bure was at one point considered a better prospect than koivu by these guys. That's laughable.

I'm not surprised that andrei markov was ranked #4 because he was a relative unknown and a lower pick, but I do remember HF listing him as the habs top prospect for quite a while. To this day, Markov is the only prospect for the habs to have a 9.0 rating here.

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Wow the names change but EVERYTHING else stays the same. Is Subban our next Markov? By the time Subban hits his stride Markov will retire and then he will be our only decent dman on the team.

Gross how this team has drafted with absolute mediocrity. Alot of wasted picks on relatives of good players.

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Wow the names change but EVERYTHING else stays the same. Is Subban our next Markov? By the time Subban hits his stride Markov will retire and then he will be our only decent dman on the team.

Gross how this team has drafted with absolute mediocrity. Alot of wasted picks on relatives of good players.
You know that's usually what happens when you always draft middle of the pack.
The funny part is our drafting isn't even that bad.

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You know that's usually what happens when you always draft middle of the pack.
The funny part is our drafting isn't even that bad.
It's pretty bad, couple that with the ability to make terrible trades and it's no wonder this team hasn't achieved anything in almost 20 years.

You can draft and develop youth from mid range and still get decent talent, if you went back I bet you would find alot of players skipped because of bigotry. Take the red wings, they have been really good for ages with late round picks.

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It's pretty bad, couple that with the ability to make terrible trades and it's no wonder this team hasn't achieved anything in almost 20 years.

You can draft and develop youth from mid range and still get decent talent, if you went back I bet you would find alot of players skipped because of bigotry. Take the red wings, they have been really good for ages with late round picks.
Oh I guarantee it. Look at the howling during the draft last season when Leblanc was drafted, just because he was French. One of the principle reasons Latendresse struggled here was because they rushed him into the NHL. Lats was probably our only prospect in a decade to skip the AHL in its entirety to play for the Canadiens, all because he was billed as the francophone Rick Nash. There are moments I long for Quebec City to return with a team so Montreal is left alone with French bias.

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Oh I guarantee it. Look at the howling during the draft last season when Leblanc was drafted, just because he was French. One of the principle reasons Latendresse struggled here was because they rushed him into the NHL. Lats was probably our only prospect in a decade to skip the AHL in its entirety to play for the Canadiens, all because he was billed as the francophone Rick Nash. There are moments I long for Quebec City to return with a team so Montreal is left alone with French bias.

You think that because there would be a team in Québec that all the francophone would go cheer for them and the Habs fanbase would then be constitued of only anglos?

That's not how it work

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2005 top 20 habs prospects :

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...p20_prospects/

Look at the grades... Halak with a 6.0B and Yann Danis with a 8.0A

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It's pretty bad, couple that with the ability to make terrible trades and it's no wonder this team hasn't achieved anything in almost 20 years.

You can draft and develop youth from mid range and still get decent talent, if you went back I bet you would find alot of players skipped because of bigotry. Take the red wings, they have been really good for ages with late round picks.
The Red Wings good lucky with late picks in europe, but guess what, now a days NHL scouts are 1)better and 2) scout europe more so i really doubt Detroit is going to get lucky again.

Between 1994-2004 it was are "dark ages". Horrible moves from our GM that cost us in the long run.

From after the lockout-Now we are always in the top half of NHL teams

2006: Lose round 1 (top 14)
2007: Miss the playoffs(bottom 16)
2008: 1st in conference and round 2 (top 8)
2009: Round 1 (top 14)
2010: ECF (top 4)

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The Red Wings good lucky with late picks in europe, but guess what, now a days NHL scouts are 1)better and 2) scout europe more so i really doubt Detroit is going to get lucky again.
Yes I am sure it was all "luck". All NHL teams scout europe pretty hard do they? How come the habs pick alot of finnish and minnesota playes than? Are those the two hockey hotbeds in the world?

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Between 1994-2004 it was are "dark ages". Horrible moves from our GM that cost us in the long run.
So now we are in the "golden era"? It's been 5 years and we are still relying on players from those "dark ages" to carry the team I guess.

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From after the lockout-Now we are always in the top half of NHL teams
Whew and I thought we were average.

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2006: Lose round 1 (top 14)
2007: Miss the playoffs(bottom 16)
2008: 1st in conference and round 2 (top 8)
2009: Round 1 (top 14)
2010: ECF (top 4)
Whatever gets you through the night pal.

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Wow, a lot of bust over the years. So many wasted opportunities, if only the habs management would have been half decent, we would not be in this present crappy situation.

Maybe I'm missing something, but, I don't see much in the way of improvement from the recent (Gainey or Andre Savard) regimes over the previous regimes..........do you?



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1989:
1.Andrew Cassels
2.Mathieu Schneider
3.John LeClair
4.Stephane Lebeau
5.Randy Exelby
6.Sylvain Lefebvre
7.Benoit Brunet
8.Eric Charron
9.Francois Gravel
10.Jocelyn Lemieux
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Here's hoping this year's top 10 will turn out at least like the 89 group.

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Was reading through an old Future Watch issue earlier and remembered this thread. Thought I'd bump it and add the lists from 10-12 for those who missed it originally and may find it interesting.

Will be interesting to see how the 2013 list plays out in February, considering our very promising 2012 draft class.

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Wow, a lot of bust over the years. So many wasted opportunities, if only the habs management would have been half decent, we would not be in this present crappy situation.
Every team in the league looks like that. I'd bet the Habs have had quite a few who played in the league.
If you want a REAL laugh, look up the Leafs draft picks over the past 15-20 years. I saw it in the Globe a while back. It was much, much worse than the Habs.

On a side note, I'm very surprised Perezoghin wasn't offered a try out after the Worlds.

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On a side note, I'm very surprised Perezoghin wasn't offered a try out after the Worlds.
I'd bet it has something to do with the fact he's a loose cannon.

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Hey guys, using my old issues of THN I thought I would compile a set of lists from the old "Future Watch" and "In The System" issues. The first "In The System issue was in 1989. In 1992 it became "Future Watch."

I figure some of you might find this interesting. Just to see how our prospects were ranked at that time by scouts. Sorry if it's a long post.. I'll change the font so the post won't be so damn big.

Remember that with these FW issues, as long as you're not considered an NHL regular at the time of printing, you're considered a prospect for these lists. Age doesn't matter.

1989:

1.Andrew Cassels
2.Mathieu Schneider
3.John LeClair
4.Stephane Lebeau
5.Randy Exelby
6.Sylvain Lefebvre
7.Benoit Brunet
8.Eric Charron
9.Francois Gravel
10.Jocelyn Lemieux

1990:

1.Andrew Cassels
2.Mathieu Schneider
3.Mark Pederson
4.Tom Chorske
5.Andre Racicot
6.Lindsay Vallis
7.Patrice Brisebois
8.Patrick Lebeau
9.Ed Cristofoli
10.Eric Charron

1991: (they only did a top 5 this year)

1.Gilbert Dionne
2.Lindsay Vallis
3.Patrice Brisebois
4.Patrik Kjellbrg
5.Patrik Carnback

1992:

1.Vladimir Vujtek
2.Gilbert Dionne
3.Patrick Lebeau
4.Paul DiPietro
5.Patrice Brisebois
6.Sean Hill
7.Brent Bilodeau
8.Patrik Kjellberg
9.Turner Stevenson
10.Jim Campbell

1993:

1.Brent Bilodeau
2.Valeri Bure
3.Turner Stevenson
4.Paul DiPietro
5.Pierre Sevigny
6.Yves Sarault
7.Jesse Belanger
8.Brian Savage
9.Oleg Petrov
10.David Wilkie

1994:

1.Valeri Bure
2.Saku Koivu
3.Jim Campbell
4.Brian Savage
5.Christian Proulx
6.David Wilkie
7.Craig Darby
8.Turner Stevenson
9.Les Kuntar
10.Rory Fitzpatrick

1995:

1.Saku Koivu
2.Valeri Bure
3.Darcy Tucker
4.David Wilkie
5.Rory Fitzpatrick
6.Craig Darby
7.Martin Brochu
8.Brad Brown
9.Jim Campbell
10.Sebastien Bordeleau

1996:

1.Jose Theodore
2.David Wilkie
3.Darcy Tucker
4.Terry Ryan
5.Sebastien Bordeleau
6.Craig Rivet
7.Brad Brown
8.Craig Conroy
9.Scott Fraser
10.Jonathan Delisle

1997:

1.Terry Ryan
2.Matt Higgins
3.Mathieu Garon
4.Brad Brown
5.Adam Wiesel
6.Miloslav Guren
7.Arron Asham
8.Tomas Vokoun
9.Eric Houde
10.Jonathan Delisle

1998:

1.Mathieu Garon
2.Jason Ward
3.Jose Theodore
4.Terry Ryan
5.Tomas Vokoun
6.Matt Higgins
7.Brad Brown
8.Eric Houde
9.Miloslav Guren
10.Aaron Asham

1999:

1.Mathieu Garon
2.Jose Theodore
3.Eric Chouinard
4.Andrei Markov
5.Jason Ward
6.Matt Higgins
7.Terry Ryan
8.Iikka Mikkola
9.Miloslav Guren
10.Mike Ribeiro

2000:

1.Mathieu Garon
2.Eric Chouinard
3.Mike Ribeiro
4.Andrei Markov
5.Chris Dyment
6.Timo Vertala
7.Alexander Buturlin
8.Iikka Mikkola
9.Michael Ryder
10.Matt Higgins

2001:

1.Ron Hainsey
2.Mathieu Garon
3.Marcel Hossa
4.Eric Chouinard
5.Jozef Balej
6.Mike Ribeiro
7.Timo Vertala
8.Chris Dyment
9.Alexander Buturlin
10.Christian Larrivee

2002:

1.Mike Komisarek
2.Ron Hainsey
3.Marcel Hossa
4.Alexander Perezhogin
5.Eric Chouinard
6.Mathieu Garon
7.Duncan Milroy
8.Jozef Balej
9.Tomas Plekanec
10.Chris Dyment

2003:

1.Alexander Perezhogin
2.Ron Hainsey
3.Chris Higgins
4.Mike Komisarek
5.Mathieu Garon
6.Jozef Balej
7.Duncan Milroy
8.Tomas Plekanec
9.Michael Ryder
10.Konstantin Korneev

2004:

1.Andrei Kostitsyn
2.Mike Komisarek
3.Chris Higgins
4.Alexander Perezhogin
5.Marcel Hossa
6.Ron Hainsey
7.Cory Urquhart
8.Michael Lambert
9.Maxim Lapierre
10.Jozef Balej

2005:

1.Andrei Kostitsyn
2.Chris Higgins
3.Alexander Perezhogin
4.Yann Danis
5.Kyle Chipchura
6.Tomas Plekanec
7.Ron Hainsey
8.Marcel Hossa
9.Mark Streit
10.Maxim Lapierre

2006:

1.Carey Price
2.Guillaume Latendresse
3.Andrei Kostitsyn
4.Kyle Chipchura
5.Yann Danis
6.Alexei Yemelin
7.Mikhail Grabovski
8.Sergei Kostitsyn
9.Juraj Mikus
10.Matt D'Agostini

2007:

1.Carey Price
2.Andrei Kostitsyn
3.Mikhail Grabovski
4.Ben Maxwell
5.David Fischer
6.Sergei Kostitsyn
7.Maxim Lapierre
8.Jaroslav Halak
9.Kyle Chipchura
10.Alexei Yemelin

2008:

1.Carey Price
2.Ryan McDonagh
3.Max Pacioretty
4.PK Subban
5.David Fischer
6.Alexei Yemelin
7.Yannick Weber
8.Ben Maxwell
9.Ryan White
10.Mikhail Grabosvki

2009:

1.Max Pacioretty
2.PK Subban
3.Ryan McDonagh
4.Matt D'Agostini
5.Ben Maxwell
6.Kyle Chipchura
7.Yannick Weber
8.Danny Kristo
9.David Fischer
10.Steve Quailer

2010:

1. P.K. Subban
2. Danny Kristo
3. Louis Leblanc
4. Ryan White
5. Yannick Weber
6. Joonas Nattinen
7. Mathieu Carle
8. Mac Bennett
9. Cedrick Desjardins
10. Ben Maxwell

2011:

1. Louis Leblanc
2. Jarred Tinordi
3. Danny Kristo
4. Alexander Avtsin
5. Michael Bournival
6. Ryan White
7. Aaron Palushaj
8. Joonas Nattinen
9. Mark MacMillan
10. Brendan Gallagher

2012:

1. Nathan Beaulieu
2. Louis Leblanc
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Brendan Gallagher
5. Aaron Palushaj
6. Michael Bournival
7. Andreas Engqvist
8. Alexander Avtsin
9. Danny Kristo
10. Patrick Holland
The nonstop steady improvement from the time Timmins took over is actually mind boggling, not to mention the graduates that he already has.

I don't think anyone compares, he's a fitness freak as well. I think he's just one of those guys that has an extra level of commitment that many others don't possess. Signing him to an extension was one of Bergevin's best moves so far. It gives me confidence in Bergevin, some Gm's like to put their own guys in place, but he seen the same things that all of us who follow the habs so closely could see, I'm thankful to have him.

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The nonstop steady improvement from the time Timmins took over is actually mind boggling, not to mention the graduates that he already has.

I don't think anyone compares, he's a fitness freak as well. I think he's just one of those guys that has an extra level of commitment that many others don't possess. Signing him to an extension was one of Bergevin's best moves so far. It gives me confidence in Bergevin, some Gm's like to put their own guys in place, but he seen the same things that all of us who follow the habs so closely could see, I'm thankful to have him.
I have full confidence in Timmins leading us to the promised land.

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