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05-31-2010, 11:48 AM
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If we could get him for the right price I would be sold on picking him up.
Yeah it's hard not to want this kid.

And with regards to being soft, I have my gripes with Tortorella, but he'd be the coach to make him play gritty every night.

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05-31-2010, 11:59 AM
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Trade for Wheeler, our 1st and Sangs for Wheeler, the 15th pick and the Bruins 2nd rounder.

then sign Poikarovsky
Please no.

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05-31-2010, 12:17 PM
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Am I missing something?

Why is there so much hate for Ponikarovsky here?

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05-31-2010, 12:39 PM
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Am I missing something?

Why is there so much hate for Ponikarovsky here?
Absolutely horrible down the stretch for Pittsburgh. He was even scratched during one of the games of the Pitt-Mon series. Hes a big body who can chip in 50 points a year. Overrated and will be overpaid.

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05-31-2010, 03:05 PM
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Am I missing something?

Why is there so much hate for Ponikarovsky here?
No hate but he is faaaar from the solution on Broadway. Just more of the same mediocre.

If this summers upgrades amount to Blake Wheeler + Ponikarovsky this teams in for a long 2011. We have guys who could compete for roster spots against those guys. Rangers need some sizzle, not named Gabby, to even begin competing against the better teams in this league.


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05-31-2010, 04:40 PM
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Wheeler would be a perfect guy for the rangers to trade for. He is a good young skilled player. Maybe Sather can work some of his magic like he did with Calgary and give up someone like Gilroy for him .

I probaby would trade Sangs for Wheeler. The rangers are loaded with good young defensemen.

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05-31-2010, 05:28 PM
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I wouldn't mind having Blake Wheeler at all. The 15th and Wheeler for the 10th?

Workable deal.

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05-31-2010, 05:35 PM
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I wish there was a way to the Rangers to ice this team (Voros to minors / Brashear somehow dealt / Gilroy + dealt to Boston for Wheeler / And the cap goes up to $59 million):

Dubinsky - Christiansen - Gaborik
Kovalchuk - Anisimov - Wheeler
MZA - Drury - Callahan
Avery - Boyle - Prust

Staal - Roszival
MDZ - Z. Michalek
Boullion - Girardi

Lundqvist
Hedberg

* Ilya Kovalchuk ($7.500m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m)
Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / * Blake Wheeler ($2.000m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($0.900m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m)
* Erik Christensen ($0.800m) / * Brandon Prust ($0.700m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / * Z. Michalek ($4.000m)
* Marc Staal ($3.250m) / * Daniel Girardi ($2.750m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / * Francis Bouillon ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / * Johan Hedberg ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP: $59.0m; PAYROLL: $58.647m; CAP ROOM: $0.566m BONUSES: $0.212m

Fits under the cap there, but unless Redden can be dealt somehow, it wouldn't work with the summer cap. Oh well, one can dream... lol

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05-31-2010, 05:37 PM
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Absolutely horrible down the stretch for Pittsburgh. He was even scratched during one of the games of the Pitt-Mon series. Hes a big body who can chip in 50 points a year. Overrated and will be overpaid.
well what makes me laugh is that a lot of the people that are very anti-Poni are very pro-Frolov. I think Poni is the lesser of two evils, and will probably be less overpaid than Frolov considering how he was for Pittsburgh.

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05-31-2010, 05:42 PM
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The reason Wheeler is so inconsistent is he does play soft at times. Other than that he's a very big guy with skill who can skate and who knows maybe in time he will be more consistent. I would swap the 10 pick for Wheeler and the 15 pick.

However I'd be even more interested in Lucic if he were available and even if his cap hit is higher. He might not have quite as much skill level as Wheeler but he still can play and take a regular shift and put up some decent numbers and he is one big, mean and nasty forward. So what about the 10 pick for Lucic and the 15 pick? I'd rather do that one even more.
Lucic is much more valued to the Bruins than Wheeler, it would take much more than just swapping our 1st round picks to get him. MAYBE Sangs, 10 pick for Lucic and the 15 pick, and even that is iffy

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05-31-2010, 07:03 PM
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If this summers upgrades amount to Blake Wheeler + Ponikarovsky this teams in for a long 2011. We have guys who could compete for roster spots against those guys. Rangers need some sizzle, not named Gabby, to even begin competing against the better teams in this league.
Honestly, what summer upgrades do you see resulting in anything other than a long 2011? Not trying to be a downer here, but I still think we're a couple years off. Still have too much cap space tied up into Redden and Drury and the young guys are not quite there yet. I hope I'm wrong and the team kicks butt next season...but I don't think we'll be head and shoulders better than this years version. A bit perhaps, but 2012 should be a lot better.

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well what makes me laugh is that a lot of the people that are very anti-Poni are very pro-Frolov. I think Poni is the lesser of two evils, and will probably be less overpaid than Frolov considering how he was for Pittsburgh.
Well, Frolov will probably be paid more than Poni because he is the better player.

5 consecutive seasons in which he's scored 50 points or more, and in two of those seasons he's scored more than 30 goals. Poni's only had two seasons in which he scored 50 or more points, has never cracked more than 23 goals in one season, and is 3 years older than Frolov.

That being said, I'm not really a fan of throwing money at either of these players.

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05-31-2010, 08:16 PM
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from 45 points to 38 isnt really much of a sophomore slump.

Thats only 7 points.

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05-31-2010, 09:13 PM
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Lucic is much more valued to the Bruins than Wheeler, it would take much more than just swapping our 1st round picks to get him. MAYBE Sangs, 10 pick for Lucic and the 15 pick, and even that is iffy
Lucic is way overpaid... Bad contract....

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05-31-2010, 09:14 PM
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Lucic is much more valued to the Bruins than Wheeler, it would take much more than just swapping our 1st round picks to get him. MAYBE Sangs, 10 pick for Lucic and the 15 pick, and even that is iffy
No doubt. Lucic was first brought up by someone else in the thread and I took the context of the remark as he was a lesser player which I don't think at all. He might not score as much but he's a more valuable player IMO.

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well what makes me laugh is that a lot of the people that are very anti-Poni are very pro-Frolov. I think Poni is the lesser of two evils, and will probably be less overpaid than Frolov considering how he was for Pittsburgh.
I sadly agree. I dont want either.

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05-31-2010, 11:40 PM
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Honestly, what summer upgrades do you see resulting in anything other than a long 2011? Not trying to be a downer here, but I still think we're a couple years off. Still have too much cap space tied up into Redden and Drury and the young guys are not quite there yet. I hope I'm wrong and the team kicks butt next season...but I don't think we'll be head and shoulders better than this years version. A bit perhaps, but 2012 should be a lot better.
To be honest Im not sure. It sounds great adding a 50 goal scorer is possible but even the guy available has issues, and thats if they even can swing the $$$ somehow without leaving glaring holes

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Would love to see Wheeler with the Rangers. Doubt moving up five spots in the draft would do it for Boston though.

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06-01-2010, 01:26 AM
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If I'm the Rangers I'm seeing how the board looks at 10 and then I think moving down to 15th wouldn't be too bad depending on the board of course.

Sanguinetti
10th overall
4th rounder

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Wheeler
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3rd rounder

although that probably won't entice Boston too much unless they're really looking to deal him.

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06-01-2010, 01:30 AM
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Lucic is way overpaid... Bad contract....
I'm aware of this, and I'm not really on board the Lucic bandwagon, but I also think Boston has their money on Lucic panning out and becoming a Todd Bertuzzi in his prime type of player.

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06-01-2010, 07:58 AM
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Something to consider , Rangers were rumored to be interested in Wheeler when he became a ufa. Its possible Sather made him an offer back then and he refused.

At the time I remember the word was he chose Boston because he felt he had the best shot at making the NHL team and actually getting some decent ice time. But, it could have been $$$, or maybe he doesnt like NY.... WHO KNOWS?

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06-01-2010, 08:51 AM
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From what I understood when he went to Boston it was because Kessel is a good buddy of his and he felt more comfortable.

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06-01-2010, 10:07 AM
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he's by no means and answer to all our problems, but when you consider the whole picture, going after him is a significantly better option than any of the UFA options this year

he'd be a nice addition to the team that wouldn't cripple us for the next 4 years regardless of how it plays out

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06-01-2010, 10:13 AM
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no, argh, Lucic is awful. Wheeler I could live with.

Krejci is the only Boston kid I'd really like to have

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06-01-2010, 10:26 AM
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haha, boston has 9m tied up between lucic and thomas per year til 2013. how does a forward whos career high in goals is 17 have a 4m dollar contract at the age of 21???
Yes, it seems like Chiarelli may have gone to the Sather School of NHL Contract Offers.

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