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06-01-2010, 07:16 PM
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So people don't think its right that guys like Backstrom, Staal, Kopitar, Ovechkin and Getzlaf are signed to 6-7 mill a year deals before their 24th birthday...but are totally cool with Ryan Smyth, Chris Drury and Rob Blake making $6 mill a year?

Sorry, the biggest problem with the CBA are still guys like Smyth, Redden and Drury being paid like stars when they clearly aren't. Not the best and most marketable players being paid like stars.
It's not the CBA's fault that the Rangers are borderline retarded.

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So people don't think its right that guys like Backstrom, Staal, Kopitar, Ovechkin and Getzlaf are signed to 6-7 mill a year deals before their 24th birthday...but are totally cool with Ryan Smyth, Chris Drury and Rob Blake making $6 mill a year?
Yes, that is how the world works. You are paid based on your abilities and experience, with experience being the more important factor. Would you take a pay cut at your current job because you are old and your company wants to pay some kid out of high school more? Nope, I'm sure you would like a raise each year.

Do you think that the Islanders are happy paying DiPietro until 2021? They could always buy him out for a cap hit of $1.5 million until 2032.

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Free agency bidding wars are a completely different issue Herby.

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06-01-2010, 07:28 PM
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I blame ass face in edmonton for the vanek offer sheet. That was the first contract where I scratched my head and said 'really?? ****ing REALLY?!'
Exactly! That's when these started. He ruined it for everybody. But, at least his team is going to win the cup this year. Oh, wait a minute...

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06-01-2010, 07:50 PM
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Right.. the problem is you've got a guy like Ovechkin who is already getting paid huge money despite the fact he has been terrible in the playoffs. Backstrom is another huge leap of faith. Yes, the guy has had a great season or two, but there's no middle step. It's entry level dollars to huge lifetime contract dollars. There's no in-between.

Granted, the odds are very good that the Backstrom's and Ovechkin's (and Doughty's) of the world will prove their worth eventually, but this is a pretty ****ed up system where people don't have to demonstrate their ability to do their job before getting paid as though they've done it already. $7+MM a year deals should be reserved for top players who have already proven they can win... not guys who you hope will win someday.

Am I glad there is a cap? Yes. Is the vanishing of the 2nd contract for top players one of the worst aspects of the post-cap CBA? Absolutely. It's great for the top players... sucks for pretty much everyone else.
Did you really just say you're waiting for the best player in the world to prove his worth? Outrageous. I sincerely question your knowledge of hockey or ability to judge talent if you're waiting for Backstrom and Ovechkin to prove their worth. Wow.

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06-01-2010, 07:51 PM
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I do agree with the sentiment that not having a second contract with which teams can decide how or if they want to pay players during their prime really sucks. However the NHL has moved past that and you have to commit to your future in the present. The judgment period has been cut in half. It's really dangerous, but so is making the wrong free agent signing. Ultimately fans of all teams just have to hope that their management is stable and prudent so as to keep from making a rash decision. I think we have prudent management here, so I don't worry about that at all.

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I do agree with the sentiment that not having a second contract with which teams can decide how or if they want to pay players during their prime really sucks. However the NHL has moved past that and you have to commit to your future in the present. The judgment period has been cut in half. It's really dangerous, but so is making the wrong free agent signing. Ultimately fans of all teams just have to hope that their management is stable and prudent so as to keep from making a rash decision. I think we have prudent management here, so I don't worry about that at all.
My sediments exactly.

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The most important job every GM in the NHL has now is figuring out which of his young stars is going to get the 2nd contract that is for big money and a lot of years.

Get the right kid at a discount and your team may be set for a long time. F it up and pick the wrong kid to give that contract to and your franchise is screwed for a long time. Not much margin for error, especially when you are talking about 21-24 year olds.

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Did you really just say you're waiting for the best player in the world to prove his worth?
In the playoffs, we're all waiting.

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The most important job every GM in the NHL has now is figuring out which of his young stars is going to get the 2nd contract that is for big money and a lot of years.

Get the right kid at a discount and your team may be set for a long time. F it up and pick the wrong kid to give that contract to and your franchise is screwed for a long time. Not much margin for error, especially when you are talking about 21-24 year olds.
Agreed. I feel lucky that I am so confident in DD's Kopi's abilities, but more importantly their continued improvement and durability.

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My sediments exactly.
I don't want to know about your sediments.

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Johnson is gonna get an offer sheet and he is exactly the kind of guy that will sign it. Dean just needs to make sure he has enough cap room to get multiple firsts. Johnson 10 years at 5.5 million per sounds realistic if he plays like he did the second half and playoffs. Especially with Lidstrom coming off the books or if Pittsburgh has room.

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Johnson is gonna get an offer sheet and he is exactly the kind of guy that will sign it. Dean just needs to make sure he has enough cap room to get multiple firsts. Johnson 10 years at 5.5 million per sounds realistic if he plays like he did the second half and playoffs. Especially with Lidstrom coming off the books or if Pittsburgh has room.
I don't think Johnson has proven enough to warrant a contract like that.

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I don't think Johnson has proven enough to warrant a contract like that.
Does it matter? The team who signs him to one will be banking on his potential.

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Does it matter? The team who signs him to one will be banking on his potential.
If someone wants to make JJ a ridiculous offer, DL will gladly take the picks.

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I don't think Johnson has proven enough to warrant a contract like that.
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Does it matter? The team who signs him to one will be banking on his potential.
Hence Lombardi's point

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Detroit makes a ton of sense as far as an offersheet goes. I don't know if that's Holland's style though. Lidstrom retires after next season, they offer sheet JJ as his replacement.

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Hence Lombardi's point
I didn't listen to it. What was his point?

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If someone wants to make JJ a ridiculous offer, DL will gladly take the picks.
Not happily. Johnson > picks. It would piss him off. Maybe we'd get to see his Clint side though.

And before you say anything, I know you meant he wouldn't match, and I agree he wouldn't
But he wouldn't be happy about it.

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I didn't listen to it. What was his point?
That paying for potential is stupid... essentially.

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If someone wants to make JJ a ridiculous offer, DL will gladly take the picks.
What exactly would be the "ridiculous offer"?

To me, the 5.5M for 10 yrs don't sound THAT ridiculous if JJ continues to play the way he did in the playoffs. Having said that, I would prefer to sign JJ for something close to 4M-4.5M for 5 yrs.

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I blame ass face in edmonton for the vanek offer sheet. That was the first contract where I scratched my head and said 'really?? ****ing REALLY?!'
Dustin Penner would also like to say hello

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In the playoffs, we're all waiting.
Do you need to win the Cup for respect or is 100 points every year good enough for a big dollar contract? Have you forgot the careers of Ray Bourque or Luc Robitaille already Tony? Dustin Brown? Hockey is a team sport. No one player wins or loses a game. Some guys surely contribute more than others, a guy like Joe Thornton comes to mind, but to knock Ovechkin and Backstrom solely because of their lack of a Cup is ludicrous. Both those guys are flat out studs, they have very bright futures and deserve every dollar they get. Backstrom's contract is a steal for a 21 year old who scored 100 points or 20 more than the great Anze Kopitar! I'd place more blame on the Caps Gm than any of the players. Adding Corvo was questionable and the goaltending has been mediocre for a few years now. Run and gun hockey will only get you so far and it sure does not work in the NHL playoffs unless you have 99, 11, 7 and 31 in the lineup.

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That paying for potential is stupid... essentially.
You no longer pay players just based on experience but rather their potential, if you value keeping them. (A little different than DL's psotion as to why Cammy didn't warrant big bucks)

But its the "law of unintended consequences" and the "be careful what you ask for" corollary at work. The owners wanted economic stability and had to give up something to the players to get it. They handcuffed themselves, and caused the demise of the second contract to avoid having to outbid themselves for players.

Marvelous, simply marvelous.

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Exactly! That's when these started. He ruined it for everybody. But, at least his team is going to win the cup this year. Oh, wait a minute...
whoa whoa whoa... i have the monopoly on kaley cuoco, guy.

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